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  • #221
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:18am Feb 20, 2013 3:18am
Quoting 60minuteman
All those guys who are saying without a TE we're all fakers and frauds should post this months results here, or by their own admissions we shouldn't listen to a word they say....

of course they won't though...

the muppet hunter is a muppet too no doubt
can you even read the title of the thread? can you read the first part which refers to self-labelled or implied 'great' systems, and match it with the second part that asks why there isn't a TE attached? or is it asking too much for someone so clever?

i swear some of you can't process basic concepts, at all.

someone who has taken the time to start a thread with the intentions of 'teaching' or 'sharing' should have more to share than the first thought that pops into their head.

how many guru's with hollow threads do we need? how many times do we need to have the same fucking scammers under a different username tell the world how great they are for having the secret sauce?

p.s. nobody wants your TE, unless / until you start 'teaching' your 'wisdom' to the rest of us peons. oh we should be so lucky, right?

yeah, right.

this thread continues to amuse me with its low-brow musings.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #222
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:19am Feb 20, 2013 3:19am
Hey who was that guy who posted his TE.. and it was like +20 million pips or something .. and some guy comes on here and starts freaking out and talking mad crap on his fake results ? .. hilarious
  • #223
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:27am Feb 20, 2013 3:27am
Quoting nubcake
can you even read the title of the thread? can you read the first part which refers to self-labelled or implied 'great' systems, and match it with the second part that asks why there isn't a TE attached? or is it asking too much for someone so clever?

i swear some of you can't process basic concepts, at all.
actually numnuts...

the title of the thread says.... IF its such a great system... implying only great systems have TE's or, there is something underhand going on if there isn't one..

you need to unwrap yourself from your own self importance...
tradewith60
  • #224
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:31am Feb 20, 2013 3:31am
Quoting 60minuteman
actually numnuts...

the title of the thread says.... IF its such a great system... implying only great systems have TE's or, there is something underhand going on if there isn't one..

you need to unwrap yourself from your own self importance...

Dude your killing me ...
  • #225
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:32am Feb 20, 2013 3:32am
Quoting 60minuteman
actually numnuts...

the title of the thread says.... IF its such a great system... implying only great systems have TE's or, there is something underhand going on if there isn't one..

you need to unwrap yourself from your own self importance...
it's 'numbnuts', and i believe it is 'self-importance'. but please, continue nonetheless. you clearly have a great grasp on the English language, as per your 'understanding' of what the title means. you seem to be struggling with all of this. calm-down, breathe, and pace yourself.

i'm all ears (actually, i'm out of here)... please, continue.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #226
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:38am Feb 20, 2013 3:38am
60 minman what is it you are trying to say/defend ????

please explain...
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  • #227
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:41am Feb 20, 2013 3:41am
Quoting nubcake
it's 'numbnuts', and i believe it is 'self-importance'. but please, continue nonetheless. you clearly have a great grasp on the English language, as per your 'understanding' of what the title means. you seem to be struggling with all of this. calm-down, breathe, and pace yourself.

i'm all ears (actually, i'm out of here)... please, continue.

I love it, he's educated, well done you, really old chap well done...
tradewith60
  • #228
  • Feb 20, 2013 3:46am Feb 20, 2013 3:46am
Quoting lillelise
60 minman what is it you are trying to say/defend ????

please explain...

I am saying great threads exist without a TE connected....

example.. no brainer trades
tradewith60
  • #229
  • Feb 20, 2013 4:39am Feb 20, 2013 4:39am
Quoting allisonmagic
People just get excited because if they see someone with a ridiculous equity curve, they want to know what system is making this happen.
Exactly. But what many folk don't understand is that a good number of the "too good to be true" equity curves that you see on sites like zulutrade are the product of some kind of unsustainable MM (example: martingale).

@nobody in particular:
FF's Trade Explorers allow the lot sizes to be hidden, for privacy reasons, making it fairly easy to disguise dodgy MM. Hence anybody could add a TE to their system thread that used a martingale variant, and noobs would likely be so fixated on the skyrocketing curve that they'd never realize they're being duped.

To those who see the absence of a TE as a red flag, why not simply ignore the relevant system thread (since you believe the creator is either an unscrupulous vendor, or an egomaniac who's looking to start a fan following)?
  • #230
  • Feb 20, 2013 4:44am Feb 20, 2013 4:44am
I think ridiculous equity curves get found out quite quickly. To give people some credit, they might look at it if it was over a year of trading. It's an educating process.
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  • #231
  • Feb 20, 2013 4:47am Feb 20, 2013 4:47am
well quite a few people who have started threads with systems they like, don't put their TE because they are most likely looking for support to help make it better and don't want anyone to see their true losses or profits.



hell i never even knew wth a TE was until i saw a bunch of guys posting theirs. DD like at 98% and 5 years running they finally decided to max out their margins and got lucky to be above their original balances.
  • #232
  • Feb 20, 2013 4:52am Feb 20, 2013 4:52am
Quoting hanover
Exactly. But what many folk don't understand is that a good number of the "too good to be true" equity curves that you see on sites like zulutrade are the product of some kind of unsustainable MM (example: martingale).

@nobody in particular:
FF's Trade Explorers allow the lot sizes to be hidden, for privacy reasons, making it fairly easy to disguise dodgy MM. Hence anybody could add a TE to...


Hey hanover - off topic for a moment. How is it you are going round with a rucksack full of vouches and yet you have not given one single vouch to anyone on Forex Factory?
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  • #233
  • Feb 20, 2013 4:53am Feb 20, 2013 4:53am
Quoting smikester
Hey hanover - off topic for a moment. How is it you are going round with a rucksack full of vouches and yet you have not given one single vouch to anyone on Forex Factory?

good point. i could use another one
  • #234
  • Edited 5:16am Feb 20, 2013 4:56am | Edited 5:16am
I guess at the end of the day TE or not, you're going to have to do the leg work yourself to find if a system is right or right for you. No short cuts to anywhere worth going, n all that
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  • #235
  • Feb 20, 2013 11:33am Feb 20, 2013 11:33am
Quoting smikester
Hey hanover - off topic for a moment. How is it you are going round with a rucksack full of vouches and yet you have not given one single vouch to anyone on Forex Factory?
Quoting allisonmagic
good point. i could use another one
I've already explained this many times, e.g. here here here and here.
  • #236
  • Feb 20, 2013 5:15pm Feb 20, 2013 5:15pm
Quoting hanover
I've already explained this many times, e.g. here here here and here.

i think hanover is making a lot of new friends
  • #237
  • Feb 20, 2013 5:18pm Feb 20, 2013 5:18pm
Quoting allisonmagic
i think hanover is making a lot of new friends
I doubt that that is on his list of priorities....either way....and good on him for that.
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  • #238
  • Feb 20, 2013 11:22pm Feb 20, 2013 11:22pm
out of all the systems and ideeas which are public that i tried (300-400 ) only 3 simple ideas work as entry signals. highly unlikely you will find something that works on the internet and even less likely in written books. the discretionary part of the trading systems aka the voodoo part of it that makes them profitable for their users is exactly the reason why so many things don't work . you cannot teach intuition and feelings or "analysis". if you're a vodoo trader with a method that it's hard to learn you can make milions just trying to teach others the shit/ thought process of your mind. only a select few will have succes in this manner. whereas a mechanical aka scientific method is easily learnable and all of the students will reach the same level of succes. maybe there is another reason why we don't see good ideas . maybe we're in front of highly emotional crowd that is astonished by the imediate gains of a particular method for a given period. they consider that what happened last week will definetly work months from now and that's why you have unrelistic claims.
i've studied the trade explorer list and only a few have consistency . the majority of the public live trade explorer show only one thing: luck.
  • #239
  • Feb 21, 2013 2:50am Feb 21, 2013 2:50am
Quoting deltatrade
out of all the systems and ideeas which are public that i tried (300-400 ) only 3 simple ideas work as entry signals. highly unlikely you will find something that works on the internet and even less likely in written books. the discretionary part of the trading systems aka the voodoo part of it that makes them profitable for their users is exactly the reason why so many things don't work . you cannot teach intuition and feelings or "analysis". if you're a vodoo trader with a method that it's hard to learn you can make milions just trying to teach...
I know I'm going to regret bringing this up... but didn't the turtle traders have a zero discretionary system? and didn't they have varying results...?

Any of the simple entry systems work IF you can read the s/r cycle and trade with a higher tf...
tradewith60
  • #240
  • Feb 22, 2013 2:59am Feb 22, 2013 2:59am
@60minuteman
the facts are the turtles failed finally and the creator of the system is still making systems trying to find something that will not fail in the future(he hasn't until now).
i would not ever trade a turtle system . the problem with turtle system is that it's not universal. does not work on any timeframe, does not work on every instrument and does not work since the begining of the market charts.


we know that trends exist until they end. what is the probability of a system that has been tested for 3 years recent data will continue to work ? well it's probable that the equity curve will continue to go up just for the fact that we are in a 3 year bull trend. but by no means this will continue to work long term. unless the system is universal but that would be a lot of luck because a universal needs thousands of signals from all sorts of dates and instruments.
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