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  • #16,841
  • Feb 14, 2013 2:56am Feb 14, 2013 2:56am
Quoting huskyboy
To me CS has its use, but like you say you need to develope your own strategy
hi husky !
i am happy to see you are working with my indicator
hope you appreciate it and you can win with it
have a good day
i am still using ichimoku but only the kumo
kinonen
  • #16,842
  • Feb 14, 2013 5:36am Feb 14, 2013 5:36am
Let's see how much these fall............
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  • #16,843
  • Feb 14, 2013 5:43am Feb 14, 2013 5:43am
Quoting huskyboy
got my 50 pips on this one.
I don't usually trade EURGBP due to low volatility but it has been moving pretty nicely recently, good trade...........don't know about USDJPY though
  • #16,844
  • Feb 14, 2013 1:41pm Feb 14, 2013 1:41pm
Quoting kinonen
hi husky !
i am happy to see you are working with my indicator
hope you appreciate it and you can win with it
have a good day
i am still using ichimoku but only the kumo
kinonen

Thanx for the indicator.
  • #16,845
  • Feb 14, 2013 1:45pm Feb 14, 2013 1:45pm
Quoting r41225
I don't usually trade EURGBP due to low volatility but it has been moving pretty nicely recently, good trade...........don't know about USDJPY though
At that time to me it was a valid buy signal on M15 but not completely confirmed on htf; it was a risk and i lost but thats for me the problem, i have to decide in the morning to see the results in the evening.
You are making great trades Are they all entrys based on ichi rules, sometimes i doubt about it
  • #16,846
  • Feb 14, 2013 2:11pm Feb 14, 2013 2:11pm
you guys are amazing , very happy to see you posting in the thread , i apologize for not being active as before ,i'll try to post some trades when i have free time
keep the good work guys , control you risk and trust your trend
good luck
cheers
Vic
  • #16,847
  • Feb 14, 2013 2:44pm Feb 14, 2013 2:44pm
vic? I won't believe my eyes..... You are still alive out there in ichimokuland!
  • #16,848
  • Feb 14, 2013 11:58pm Feb 14, 2013 11:58pm
Quoting vic_elc
you guys are amazing , very happy to see you posting in the thread , i apologize for not being active as before ,i'll try to post some trades when i have free time
keep the good work guys , control you risk and trust your trend
good luck
cheers
Vic
I think it just started snowing in Egypt. Hope you are well.

Are you still active trading or is Orange still working you to the bone?
  • #16,849
  • Feb 15, 2013 9:54am Feb 15, 2013 9:54am
I'd decided to take the day off as I wasn't feeling to well so might not be able to concentrate properly so missed the earlier moves .........but I've got in for a bit ..........got to be cautious here because this strong upmove will likely be followed by even stronger downmove.......but it could next week....let's see......
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  • #16,850
  • Feb 15, 2013 11:18am Feb 15, 2013 11:18am
Quoting nightyhawk
vic? I won't believe my eyes..... You are still alive out there in ichimokuland!
yoo nighty wuz up my friend , am always in the ichi land , hope things are good at your end


Quoting Krypty

I think it just started snowing in Egypt. Hope you are well.

Are you still active trading or is Orange still working you to the bone?
yes man it is extremely cold in here i wonder where is our sun, i started to hate the winter , still active trading but mainly medium term swing trades , no time to daily scalp

hope you guys are doing well , will try to be around as much as i can , posting some entries

good luck guys
cheers
Vic
  • #16,851
  • Feb 15, 2013 3:05pm Feb 15, 2013 3:05pm
Hi vic_elc and all members,
I am using Ichimoku and have been reading the thread from the start as per vic_elc , I am opening the discussion about the strategy to be used in general: are u following the sentiment confirmation at High Time Frames from the daily, H4, H1, m30, m15 and then make an entry from m5 or m1 ?
or you are sticking with only one time frame and make an entry there based on one of Ichi strategies ?

The first one started by vic_elc is catching a confirmed trend ... as usually the trend starts at m1, and then.... go until daily and may be weekly ..
so when we confirm on all , it means the trend has been established but we may only catch a small percentage ... is there a way to catch confirmed trend earlier .. may be confirming it happened at multi-time frame but up to H4 ?
what do u think guys ...
I think detection of trend strength by scoring the sentiment over multi-time frames is a great approach .. but would like to refresh again what are used here given that vic_elc is back ... Vic .. I am from Egypt but live in Toronto ...I sent u a skype message .. hope to connect soon to discuss about Ichimoku ...
waiting anxiously for ur opinions .. Thanks
  • #16,852
  • Feb 16, 2013 2:05am Feb 16, 2013 2:05am
I find using three TF gets the best balance. The higher TF are more accurate as their is less noise, and its easier to keep track of. Not to say that the lower TF aren't good to trade, I think it just takes more skill to avoid whipsawed and fake outs. I personally use D1, H4 and H1. But I might move up to trading H4 and using W1 and D1 for confo.
I see what you mean by the trend starting on the smallest TF, but its rare that an M1 trend would be valid all the time up until a W1 trend is established. The markets move in waves, peaks and troughs, with bullish and bearish breaks on lower TFs which don't effect the higher TF. So using your lowest TF (H1 for me) I am trying to trade the trend that happens on that TF. I only trade in the direction of the trend on the higher TFs to avoid fake outs and put the percentages back in my favour. So although you see a trend in the highest TF, you aren't trying to trade that.

Quoting mosalem2003
Hi vic_elc and all members,
I am using Ichimoku and have been reading the thread from the start as per vic_elc , I am opening the discussion about the strategy to be used in general: are u following the sentiment confirmation at High Time Frames from the daily, H4, H1, m30, m15 and then make an entry from m5 or m1 ?
or you are sticking with only one time frame and make an entry there based on one of Ichi strategies ?

The first one started by vic_elc is catching a confirmed trend ... as usually the trend starts at m1, and then.... go until...
  • #16,853
  • Feb 16, 2013 3:48am Feb 16, 2013 3:48am
Quoting huskyboy
At that time to me it was a valid buy signal on M15 but not completely confirmed on htf; it was a risk and i lost but thats for me the problem, i have to decide in the morning to see the results in the evening.
You are making great tradesAre they all entrys based on ichi rules, sometimes i doubt about it
I know it can be hard to trade while keeping a job..........well, that's why I don't have a job

Anyways, you're right, Ichimoku is merely a part of my system, not the whole of it, in fact, I use Ichimoku very differently compared to how most people use it, I use TS, KS & Kumo as SEPARATE things rather than looking for various combinations &"crosses" & other stuff like that........for example, I don't even look at TS-KS crosses, I don't even notice it because it's not part of my system, so if you ever see a TS-KS cross around my entry then believe me, its occurrence there is purely incidental, in fact, you might see that I've entered even before the cross occurred & then price moves & then the cross occurs...... my system allows me to enter the moves much earlier & capture a larger chunk of the moves, which allows me more options with profit-taking, I can either take profit at the slightest sign of retrace/reversal & then see if I can enter again or I can just wait for another break; on the other hand, someone who waited for the move & entered later could be getting hyper the moment there's a retracement, they take profit & to their dismay, the move continues & when they don't take profit, there's a reversal which takes out their SL I've been there so I know how frustrating that is but now I work differently........as I've said, it's because apart from Ichimoku, I consider how price is moving & one knows what to look for when one has been watching charts for hours & hours every day for years, one tends to look for stuff that is likely to happen.......

Quoting vic_elc
you guys are amazing, very happy to see you posting in the thread , i apologize for not being active as before ,i'll try to post some trades when i have free time
keep the good work guys , control you risk and trust your trend
good luck
cheers
Vic
I thought you made your millions of $$$ & left for some paradise-island for good Anyways, nice to see you back, don't see too many Ichimoku traders on the internet so it's nice to see that this thread has managed to continue for so long
  • #16,854
  • Feb 16, 2013 1:30pm Feb 16, 2013 1:30pm
Quoting r41225
I know it can be hard to trade while keeping a job..........well, that's why I don't have a job

..... my system allows me to enter the moves much earlier & capture a larger chunk of the moves, which allows me more options with profit-taking, I can either take profit at the slightest sign of retrace/reversal & then see if I can enter again or I can just wait for another break; g
Hi r41225, It is interesting if you share the details of your system with the group here.
  • #16,855
  • Feb 16, 2013 1:33pm Feb 16, 2013 1:33pm
Quoting captaincol
I find using three TF gets the best balance. The higher TF are more accurate as their is less noise, and its easier to keep track of. Not to say that the lower TF aren't good to trade, I think it just takes more skill to avoid whipsawed and fake outs. I personally use D1, H4 and H1. But I might move up to trading H4 and using W1 and D1 for confo.
I see what you mean by the trend starting on the smallest TF, but its rare that an M1 trend would be valid all the time up until a W1 trend is established. The markets move in waves, peaks and troughs,...
Thanks Captaincol, this is very logical and keep things simple , the qualification over multi-time frames might be an indication of the efficiency of the established trend.
  • #16,856
  • Feb 16, 2013 3:28pm Feb 16, 2013 3:28pm
The good thing with multi-frame scoring of sentiment and entry at a smaller time frame is reduction of the risk ... In other words, we would minimize the distance between the entry price and KS line which is the index of our SL in Ichimoku .... if higher TF from daily down to m15 is bullish or bearish in sync ... we wait for a full entry signal at m5 for instance with a minimal SL value .. this will be beneficial for the overall R/R ratio...
The higher TF has a very huge distance to the KS line , it is a choice between 30 pips of SL to 100+ pips ! Still thinking with u guys about ur opinions ...
  • #16,857
  • Feb 17, 2013 12:29am Feb 17, 2013 12:29am
Quoting mosalem2003
The higher TF has a very huge distance to the KS line , it is a choice between 30 pips of SL to 100+ pips ! Still thinking with u guys about ur opinions ...
Why would a choice of 30 - 100+ make a difference? If you put the same percentage on it does not make a difference.

Start thinking in percentages or R
  • #16,858
  • Feb 17, 2013 4:40am Feb 17, 2013 4:40am
Of course there is a difference....

First: Not all broker allow for micro or even smaller contract sizes. That means you can not handle your risk properly......

Second: The more you risk, the more price has to go to reach some nice risk-to-return - consider EU, which might run for a thousand pip long or short. Starting that trade with an initial SL of 20 pips gives you even more return than having a SL of about 200 pips. That is the reason why, vic taught us to pinpoint our entries sharp in M15!
  • #16,859
  • Feb 17, 2013 5:19am Feb 17, 2013 5:19am
Hi Ichi traders:

I use a MTF with Ichimoku, too. This is a trade in XAG/USD (I only trade XAG and XAU) at 14/02/2013.
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  • #16,860
  • Feb 17, 2013 1:47pm Feb 17, 2013 1:47pm
Quoting nightyhawk
Of course there is a difference....

First: Not all broker allow for micro or even smaller contract sizes. That means you can not handle your risk properly......

Second: The more you risk, the more price has to go to reach some nice risk-to-return - consider EU, which might run for a thousand pip long or short. Starting that trade with an initial SL of 20 pips gives you even more return than having a SL of about 200 pips. That is the reason why, vic taught us to pinpoint our entries sharp in M15!
Sir, are you still trading Vic's rules ? Strongest/weakest pair, news, H1/H4 direction kumo related, finetuning M15 ? Thanks
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