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Hi there FXH, I managed to load up the new indi on my wifes PC (it runs XP, good old robust XP). I'm still working on getting a fix for my laptop having tried the fixes suggested by contributors here, which by the way folks thanks for the ideas.

The issue with the cz's is mainly due to me only taking 1 trade per cz. When the ea becomes available and I've tested it to satisfaction I can then load my prepared templates which have tighter cz's. I've got some pretty good looking figures when I take it to 3 trades but for now I'm sticking with a single trade on pairs with above 70% win ratio.

This is quite an amazing tool. I guess it will frighten the pants of some as to how it can be traded. The below shot is without Martingale. If I add Martingale it picks up anjother 500 or so pips. I don't wish to be critical of anyone but guys, some of you, look at your bottom line pips won. For some of the posts here you are making virtually nothing. FXH and xux99 have provided this amazing tool, don't be frightened to use it.

The result shown on this one pair below could turn 1000 $ into 250,000 $ in just one year and that is conservative. In my own accounts I Could turn 1000 $ into 1,000,000 $ just trading two pairs. I concede This statement is based on the result shown and that past performance is no guarantee of future performance BUT, for those who are showing just a few hundred pips for 100 day periods, you need to take a closer look and think again. Get rid of the idea I saw someone post that stops should never be larger than TP. With the multiple entries this tool makes you really can ignore stops and yeah, I know someone is going to disagree.

I have said before and I will reiterate. I trade always two accounts. One is conservative and safe and one is aggressive. This is the conservative one.

Also - I feel there is a misconception floating around. I would have thought that 100 days shown on the SSBO tool was trading days ? That is 20 weeks, not 14 odd.

Altos, interesting concept- counting on the recovery trades for profits instead of the first breakout. At least that's how I interpret the results when I look at the chart. Now that is thinking outside the box.

Hi Sedona - well, that is the way the tool is conceived and built so, let's use it that way. :-)

Let's use it that way.

No, let's not.

AltosTrader, to get those types of results you must have set the Martingale setting to something much higher than the default 1.5. Which is fine I guess if your account has at least 25k, and you don't mind losing $7500 at least twice a year (per pair, per time frame) when you find the Black Swan.

It goes without saying that none of this is suggested or recommended as part of the SSBO system or this thread. I have NEVER encouraged reckless trading practices, and (like now) I always try to correct them when they are mentioned. And while we're at it, I also don't endorse the whole "million dollars from nothing" sham. Professional traders do not think this way, and professional mentors do not talk this way -- and I happen to be both. Crazy talk like this makes me wish I had never released the indicator at all.

The default setting of 1.5 means the lot sizes are increasing at only 50% per level. Not even a whole doubling, in other words. Or about as far away from what you just said as possible.

No, I said NO Martingale - Shot below shows all : Is there some other problem ?

Here is the Martingale result :

If you are not Martingaling then I misunderstood your conversation with SedonaPipper who used the word "recovery". It made me automatically think of Martingaling.

So let's back up and start again. If you are not Martingaling, then please break it down and show us exactly what you are referring to and how you are treating these trade sets...

I also find when I set martingale to 0 and adjust the martingale multiplier I get different results- so I wonder if the multiplier is turned off?

I feel I have shown you everything I can with those screenshots. What else can I say ? I did also mention that the 100 day lookback is not 14.x weeks but rather 20 only 5 day weeks as is the market. Could there be a calculation fault in the indicator ?

I don't know the answer. I have simply taken the indicator to the maximum settings I can. I could MAYBE squezze a little more but I am certainly not complaining about that result.

I did start of with completely different settings, of course, but what you see is my currently best optimization. I am doing no more than the indicator will allow me.

As for my statements about running up a large account, that just follows on from this result. It is only MM, I'm sure you know that.

OK - Sedona is right. I just did the same. I returned the Martingale multiplier to 1.5 and with Martingale at 0 ie OFF. My net pips dropped to 3556 which is still an extraordinary result BUT, now I am questioning the indicator. If Martingale is OFF. Changing the multiplier should have had no effect ? Yes ?

EURJPY M15 - I'll be forward testing this one for the next 30 days as days back is also set to 30 days. Let's see what happens.

You guys have just stumbled upon one of the cool new features of the revised codes. I was going to wait to talk about them (and there are several other new features as well, so keep experimenting everyone) but since you found this one I will go ahead and describe it now. Your persistance has paid off -- you've earned it:

Martingale Input. This is not an On/Off switch. It is always doing something: If set to "0" you are anti-Martingaling. If set to "1", you are Martingaling. Everyone knows what Martingaling is already. It's where you start with a small lot size and increase it with every re-entry until the close of the trade set. Anti-Martingaling works just the opposite. Now the software calculates all of your preferences together at the start of a trade set and opens with the largest lot size possible for the breakout trade -- programmed for you by Xux99 according to all of your combined trade parameters -- and then each re-entry from there becomes smaller than the previous one.

Lot Multiplier Input. "1" means Neutral. Lot sizes remain exactly the same throughout the trade set. Values <1 (e.g., 0.8) means that each successive lot size will decrease in size by 20% (8 being 20% smaller than 10). You would do this if you were anti-Martingaling, for example. And if you were, then each re-entry would be 20% smaller than the previous one. Values >1 (e.g., 1.5) means that each successive lot size will increase in size by 50%. In order to double (make a true Martingale scenario) you would set this value to "2.0", and the Martingale Input to "1".

If you wish to work without any Martingaling at all, then set both inputs to "1".

Like I said guys, Xux and I have been working non-stop for 8 months on this. What did you think we were doing all this time? LOL

Thank you for the explanation - helps a lot. I love how you turned a question mark into a cool feature. Will get back to work -

XUX99, FXH, that is a real crafty idea. So it is a reducing Martingale arrangement. I had never thought of that one in such a way. Makes Martingaling actually safer. - I think.

I did think you guys were on the beach though. :-)

I'll have to think this through, the implications throw a whole new light on the method. A good one from my point of view. The collosal gains seem perfectly "kosher" though so I'm not sure why you object when I exploit it ?

I would like to make a remark : some people (like me) have account fees based on volume traded so that with a lot of trades they have to pay a lot of fees.

I prefer 70% of individual trades success with only 2 trades per week (taking only the first of a trade set) instead of 65% with 7 a week. But i must be very patient and that is not easy to handle when i look at all your pips here...

So this kind of setup may better suit people working with spread-based fee real account : they probably don't bother how many trade they take.

Hope it helps.

This anti martingale feature creates some interesting r-multiples. Thank you for the feature and bringing it up.

Hi there Altostrader, I ran the settings you have on several pairs - first glance ... very nice. With 100 day check EU = 1695pips ... EJ 2659 ... GJ 2045 ... GU 1257 ... EN 2334 ... Almost feels like gold fever ... It's not completely though ... Here is the thing ... it can be a trap to optimise an EA based on one slab in time of past history - The market is NEVER the same - Simply take these settings and apply them to a random slab in 2005 or whatever ... oh oh ... not so good - EJ survives real well when we go to past 200 day only because it has been a beautifully behaved pair for at least 6 months - most EA's would be eating up this pair the last 6 months I guess. Past 200 days EJ 4472 pips .... BUT GJ -1161 (think that means the 100 days further back is dropping -3000ish) ... EU 2278 ... GU 1537 ... All still positive but not as strong as 100 days ... now we should test a slab in 2011 say, and see. I am really barracking that this will remain positive - If on a 100 run a pair goes -3000 pips there wouldn't be many of us that would stay the course with it. Turns out GU has been a bugga with other methods I am looking at for the last 12 months. It's in the toilet. Would be great to have some way of pulling out a 100 day block anytime in past history. My 2 cents worth. Love this indi and the whole CZ world fellas. I'm still trying to nail a method with it

Hi rivit - I am still digesting what FXH said. I am simply experimenting with the new indi. I really wish to wait for the EA because I need to sleep sometimes and a series of missed trades is not something I want. Trading this forward I may come down to 20 days lookback to try and reflect more current market conditions. I saw this very clearly on EJ when experimenting with it, on some settings there was much reduced trading in recent days but heavy back a bit. The problem, if you could call it that, is that trend is really no help either. I tend to look at indexes for some daily bar trading but it is largely irrelevant with this method. Seems we just roll with the "random walk" and the SSBO system picks it up. Like he says, it is so easy it is hard. :-)

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