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If it's such a great system, why isn't there a Trade Explorer attached?

  • #21
  • Jan 27, 2013 2:58pm Jan 27, 2013 2:58pm
Quoting Gumrai
I don't like that the OP in the threads has the power to remove any negative posts and ban anyone that doesn't heap praise on him.
The thread starter does not have the power remove any posts. That is up to FF administrators.

People get banned for off topic posts and abusing others in a tantrum.....as you know.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #22
  • Jan 27, 2013 3:02pm Jan 27, 2013 3:02pm
Quoting charvo
and still they have tons of followers with blind stupidity and paranoid in the system's absolute profitability!

what's so difficult to hook up an explorer?

i don't understand
If a thread still has "tons of followers", perhaps it is because they are making money and learning on the thread. I really don't imagine that the thread can have "tons of followers" if the system is a failure

You assume that we all use MT4 and can therefore "hook up a trade explorer".......I don't use MT4. End of!
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  • #23
  • Jan 27, 2013 4:05pm Jan 27, 2013 4:05pm
seems to be there's a lot of people on the forum who are bitter because they're still losing, its easiest to blame this on the accountability of others, where in fact the real reason is due to their lack of accountability.

If they were already winning they would know that pretty much any system can be made profitable, being profitable is mainly down to the trader...
tradewith60
  • #24
  • Jan 27, 2013 7:18pm Jan 27, 2013 7:18pm
Quoting 60minuteman
seems to be there's a lot of people on the forum who are bitter because they're still losing, its easiest to blame this on the accountability of others, where in fact the real reason is due to their lack of accountability.

If they were already winning they would know that pretty much any system can be made profitable, being profitable is mainly down to the trader...
Yes!!.....exactly right
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #25
  • Jan 27, 2013 10:08pm Jan 27, 2013 10:08pm
Quoting 60minuteman
seems to be there's a lot of people on the forum who are bitter because they're still losing, its easiest to blame this on the accountability of others, where in fact the real reason is due to their lack of accountability.

If they were already winning they would know that pretty much any system can be made profitable, being profitable is mainly down to the trader...
That does not include me as I am not losing.
In fact I am earning loads of pips and I can easily post my hindsight trades, so you will know that it is true
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  • #26
  • Jan 27, 2013 10:40pm Jan 27, 2013 10:40pm
Quoting Gumrai
That does not include me as I am not losing.
In fact I am earning loads of pips and I can easily post my hindsight trades, so you will know that it is true
well done
tradewith60
  • #27
  • Jan 28, 2013 12:41am Jan 28, 2013 12:41am
Quoting 60minuteman

question is, why does it bother someone enough to start a thread about it? maybe the thread starter is bored? want to share ideas to see other opinions? etc etc a million reasons, not only to lie about their system and its merits

Quoting tecnotycoon
I think the basic reason anyone non-commercial post their trading system, is to get feedback or other opinions to make the system better or sharpen.

For me, this is main reason i post or follow the forum. To seek knowledge and experiences from other traders.

I think these two answers sum it up, thanks
  • #28
  • Jan 28, 2013 2:49am Jan 28, 2013 2:49am
Quoting 60minuteman
seems to be there's a lot of people on the forum who are bitter because they're still losing, its easiest to blame this on the accountability of others, where in fact the real reason is due to their lack of accountability.

If they were already winning they would know that pretty much any system can be made profitable, being profitable is mainly down to the trader...
I cant nothing attach, you are totally right.
  • #29
  • Jan 28, 2013 3:13am Jan 28, 2013 3:13am
Quoting Kyler
If it's such a great system, why isn't there a Trade Explorer attached?
Because it's not.
  • #30
  • Jan 28, 2013 4:06am Jan 28, 2013 4:06am
Quoting BBPI_fxtrader
good point Kyler
careful what u say gurus will get u.
  • #31
  • Jan 28, 2013 4:37am Jan 28, 2013 4:37am
makes you feel good when you see all the liquidity available for your trades
tradewith60
  • #32
  • Jan 28, 2013 4:16pm Jan 28, 2013 4:16pm
Quoting charvo
bro, i have no prob with you, and i don't use your system as i have no interest at all. please no harsh feelings.

i'm not offending you. what i've described is the often-seen foolish manner in this forum.

i don't need you to prove your stuff. but there are many other ppl in the forum trying to say "i am profitable", but without a simple explorer/trading records. now how could that NOT be a funny joke? these ppl only stir the water and waste everyone's water. but newcomers mostly believe them (at least in the beginning).......
The difference is that if people claim to be profitable and are *selling* a system, then it's fair enough to expect, or even demand some proof. However, when a system is offered for free, and support is free and consistent, then the only real (and worthy) proof is by the end user to himself. Just as the system I use may be profitable to some, equally it may not be to others. That's not necessarily the fault of the system, or the end user, it's just that we are all different and see things differently and have different mental capacity for complexity. In other words, we can't all be brain surgeons....some of us have to be truck drivers, but we both make money. One uses a scalpel, one uses a truck. The end result is both make money!!

The problem I have is when people who are obviously not suited to the system then bad mouth the system, and the originator, unless the originator spoon feeds him with signals and/or trade explorer proof. As we have just seen, my profitability with my system may not be replicated by everyone.....we are all different. Some people may be better than I with my own system....and good for them. But me offering proof of my system will not magically make it profitable for everyone......and I'm certainly not going to provide a signal service!!

If someone gives you a packet of coffee for free and you don't like it, you don't use it. Simple. That doesn't mean the coffee is crap....it just means you don't like it, and so you don't use it. If some one is *selling* the coffee to you and promoting it as the best coffee you will ever taste, then they have a duty to prove it......which of course they can't....because we are all different!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #33
  • Jan 28, 2013 6:46pm Jan 28, 2013 6:46pm
Quoting realjumper
The difference is that if people claim to be profitable and are *selling* a system, then it's fair enough to expect, or even demand some proof. However, when a system is offered for free, and support is free and consistent, then the only real (and worthy) proof is by the end user to himself. Just as the system I use may be profitable to some, equally it may not be to others. That's not necessarily the fault of the system, or the end user, it's just that we are all different and see things differently and have different mental capacity for complexity....
Good post.

I can't believe no one has said this yet. I trade a largish live account. I have a thread here, not a system thread, but I am trying to help people avoid some of the hardship I had to endure learning this business. I don't have time to mirror my trades in a demo account and there is no chance that I will EVER put even an investor password into cyberspace I don't care what the encryption (Is that spelled right) is. I pay my bills with my trading no way would I take a chance of any of the account info being open to hackers. Too much money to chance losing.
  • #34
  • Jan 28, 2013 6:55pm Jan 28, 2013 6:55pm
Quoting Seneca pilot
Good post.

I can't believe no one has said this yet. I trade a largish live account. I have a thread here, not a system thread, but I am trying to help people avoid some of the hardship I had to endure learning this business. I don't have time to mirror my trades in a demo account and there is no chance that I will EVER put even an investor password into cyberspace I don't care what the encryption (Is that spelled right) is. I pay my bills with my trading no way would I take a chance of any of the account info being open to hackers. Too much...

yeah, this is a ludicrous argument, people would not display their income on facebook, but just because some people are sharing thoughts and ideas they're a scammer unless they display their income to the public...
tradewith60
  • #35
  • Jan 29, 2013 5:49am Jan 29, 2013 5:49am
Why would you give someone free trade signals???

The only reason for making it public in my opinion is to make forward tests on a demo account public...if you work with other traders. Otherwise I see no reason to hand out free trade signals.
  • #36
  • Jan 29, 2013 6:20am Jan 29, 2013 6:20am
Quoting 4exNinja
Why would you give someone free trade signals???

The only reason for making it public in my opinion is to make forward tests on a demo account public...if you work with other traders. Otherwise I see no reason to hand out free trade signals.
You can hide open trades, so no free trade signals given.
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  • #37
  • Jan 29, 2013 8:40am Jan 29, 2013 8:40am
Quoting Gumrai
You can hide open trades, so no free trade signals given.

until YOU become accountable for your own trades then you will never win even if everyone displays their results to you.

Ask yourself why knowing what other traders are doing is important to YOU...

if its because you need to know if the system really works, then you can back test it really quickly cant you? but of course if you did that you would have nobody left to blame for losing other than YOURSELF...

When you get to the point that you read this and agree with it, then you will start winning
tradewith60
  • #38
  • Jan 29, 2013 12:23pm Jan 29, 2013 12:23pm
Quoting 60minuteman
until YOU become accountable for your own trades then you will never win even if everyone displays their results to you.

Ask yourself why knowing what other traders are doing is important to YOU...

if its because you need to know if the system really works, then you can back test it really quickly cant you? but of course if you did that you would have nobody left to blame for losing other than YOURSELF...

When you get to the point that you read this and agree with it, then you will start winning
Why have you quoted my post?
Your post is not related to mine at all??
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  • #39
  • Jan 29, 2013 1:19pm Jan 29, 2013 1:19pm
Quoting Gumrai
Why have you quoted my post?
Your post is not related to mine at all??
i quoted and replied based on all your posts on this thread.
tradewith60
  • #40
  • Jan 29, 2013 2:41pm Jan 29, 2013 2:41pm
Quoting 60minuteman
until YOU become accountable for your own trades then you will never win even if everyone displays their results to you.

Ask yourself why knowing what other traders are doing is important to YOU...

if its because you need to know if the system really works, then you can back test it really quickly cant you? but of course if you did that you would have nobody left to blame for losing other than YOURSELF...

When you get to the point that you read this and agree with it, then you will start winning
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Why have you quoted my post?
Your post is not related to mine at all??

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i quoted and replied based on all your posts on this thread.

No, there is no reason to aim your post at me based on my previous replies in this thread.

"Ask yourself why knowing what other traders are doing is important to YOU..."

It's not important to me at all unless it is helpful.
Unfortunately, on some threads there are just a lot of BS claims which are not helpful at all. A system can have an edge, it can be a good system, but posting only winning trades with hindsight serves no purpose at all.
Posting losing trades can be extremely helpful, but of course some posters hardly ever seem to have any.
Most systems do well when the market is trending and it never ceases to amaze me how many people claim to have traded a system and entered just as the market takes off. There may have been 3 previous losing signals, but for some reason they didn't take them?
It would actually be extremely useful to discuss the reasons for not taking those bad signals. But no, they are ignored despite fullfilling all criteria for entering.
As for not giving free trade signals. Well, the system gives the signals. If entry requirements are the same for every trade, everyone who uses the system will see the signal.


"if its because you need to know if the system really works, then you can back test it really quickly cant you? but of course if you did that you would have nobody left to blame for losing other than YOURSELF..."

Yes, I can and I do backtest. Of course real time trading is the only thing that really proves if a system can work.
Have I blamed anyone else for losing? I don't think so.
Am I losing? Did I give that impression somewhere?
I am not losing, so I have no need to blame myself or anyone else.
Am I winning 70 or 80% of my trades with a return of 2 or 3 times risk?
No, I wish that I could
But my trading is without the benefit of the "Hindsight" indicator, so I have nothing to brag about. I gain a bit, then lose a bit, pretty boring really.
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