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  • First Post: Edited Aug 31, 2017 3:10pm Nov 3, 2012 2:42am | Edited Aug 31, 2017 3:10pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
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  • Edited 1:07pm Nov 3, 2012 5:20am | Edited 1:07pm
  •  Naked Trader
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There are Two entry methodology I use:

 

  1. A break of flip between support and resistance areas, the higher the time frame, the better.

    1. For inter-day trades I use the 1H & 4H charts.
    2. For swing trades I use daily and weekly charts.

I first wait in order to see that the flip area was indeed broken, if that's the case, I enter on the retest to that area.

Those flip areas are an aggregate of bar lows and highs.

Here is an example:

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Here is the retest (price had retest that area twice, so in fact we had two opportunities going short):

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  1. A break of a candlestick pattern called a PB. you will see and read in other places it's also being called as Inverted Hammer or a Pinocchio bar, but the meaning from the price action point of view is the same. you can Google and read about this pattern.
    I must add that the pattern must occur on a resistance or support area in order for me personally to trade it.

Here is a nice example for a PB on the daily chart with a great location on a weekly resistance level
Remember, we are going short only after the pattern will be broken:

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Here is where we are today, you can see that this move gained us a nice ROI to our account.

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  • Nov 3, 2012 6:16am Nov 3, 2012 6:16am
  •  KMidas
  • | Joined Jun 2010 | Status: Member | 416 Posts
Wishing good luck with your journal. I would like to see more on this way of thinking like for example where do you take your profits or how do you decide which setups to take and which not.

I have tried this king of trading lately with very little success and I think it has to do with the mindset (the having courage part). I have passed many setups like the one you presented just to watch them produce a ton of pips, and then I took the lesser quality setups just to see the pips burned.
 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2012 6:19am Nov 3, 2012 6:19am
  •  Kenawee
  • | Joined Feb 2012 | Status: USDILS Trader-to-be! | 35 Posts
Shalom, Naked Trader. Ma nishma?

Thank you very much for this wonderfully simple approach. I, and I believe many beginners like myself, would benefit big time from that. Please do keep them coming.

Do you use this strategy for all currencies? Does it tend to perform better with certain pairs than others?

I have printed it and pinned it on my wall. Will certainly look for that situation to occur in the future. In fact, that would be the first "strategy" I ever follow.

I am interested in knowing good resources for ILS analysis, in English would be amazing, but in Hebrew wouldn't be too bad, I still can try to understand it.

Have a wonderful day and please keep on your nice work. Peace and love from Egypt.

תודה רבה
שלום
 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2012 6:33am Nov 3, 2012 6:33am
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
Since I had opened this journal in order to keep track of my performance, I had decided to try different approach with regards to SL & Exit methodology (more on exit methodology later on).

So, I have Two ways to place my initial SL:

 

  1. SL will be placed above maximum price / below minimum price (depending of course if we went long or short).

    in a PB case the SL will be simply placed above / below the pattern.

Here is an example:

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The main disadvantage with regards to placing the SL in that area is that we can sometimes have a big SL, meaning our ROI will be smaller.

On the other hand, in that scenario our SL will be safer thus will be hit fewer times.

We can see that even in the example above, we could have gained a nice ROI.

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In a case of a break of flip between support and resistance areas, the same apply, we place the SL above maximum price / below minimum price.

Here is an example from the 1H chart:

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  1. SL will be hidden behind a lower time frame price movement

    This will increase our ROI but will cause our SL to get hit more times.

I assume there is a balance between the two approach so will examine to see which work out better for me.

 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2012 4:02pm Nov 3, 2012 4:02pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
Quoting KMidas
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Wishing good luck with your journal. I would like to see more on this way of thinking like for example where do you take your profits or how do you decide which setups to take and which not.

I have tried this king of trading lately with very little success and I think it has to do with the mindset (the having courage part). I have passed many setups like the one you presented just to watch them produce a ton of pips, and then I took the lesser quality setups just to see the pips burned.
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Hey KMidas,

Thanks for your post, I really appreciate it.

It's nice to read that you had tried trading the same way, I think you are absolutely right, it's all in the mindset, this part was and still the most difficult part in my trading.

I think you can break it into Two parts:

 

  1. How to choose the A+ trades? - we can relate this question to the fear factor.
  2. When we are in the trade, how and where should we exit it?, how should we manage our SL movement? - we can relate this questions to the greed factor.

I think that 90% of being a trader is to struggle with the above points, the rest of the 10% is to just know what's working (price action) and what's not (indicators, robots, etc).

Regards,
Yaniv

 
 
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  • Edited 4:33pm Nov 3, 2012 4:22pm | Edited 4:33pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
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Shalom, Naked Trader. Ma nishma?

Thank you very much for this wonderfully simple approach. I, and I believe many beginners like myself, would benefit big time from that. Please do keep them coming.

Do you use this strategy for all currencies? Does it tend to perform better with certain pairs than others?

I have printed it and pinned it on my wall. Will certainly look for that situation to occur in the future. In fact, that would be the first "strategy" I ever follow.

I am interested in knowing good resources for ILS analysis, in English would...
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Shalom Kenawee,

Thank you for your kind words, it's truly warmed my heart and I appreciate it.

As for your questions, this strategy (price action) works not just with all currencies, but with all markets (futures, stocks, etc).

I think that any new trader should take the time and just learn the markets, learn what really moves them (supply and demand, round numbers, psychology, etc) and what's not (indicators, robots, Fibonacci, etc).

You will be amazed, but that's the easy part, after you blow a live account (or Two) you start to realize that something was wrong and you try different approach, that's what happened to me until I had found price action trading.

As for the USDILS, this pair has a very big spread (50 and above), I don't see any reason why trading it when you got 36 other pairs with a spread of 10 pips and below (not to mention other markets other than Forex).

I don't know any good resources (not even in Hebrew) for USDILS analysis, but I can promise you that you can do it by yourself in the future.

Just start learning and demo trading, that will built up your confidence.

If you can't be profitable in demo account, you won't be in a real account.

Shalom my friend and take care,
Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 4, 2012 2:00pm Nov 4, 2012 2:00pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
A trade I didn't take this Friday, reason was due to the unemployment numbers in the US (only day I stay out no matter what).

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As you can see, it worked to the pip

Regards,
Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 4, 2012 3:20pm Nov 4, 2012 3:20pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
Pending order short on the AUDSGD.

We can see on the 4H chart a nice flip between support and resistance, last 4H candle breaks that area.

If you open the 1H chart you can see clearly a very hard break, price doesn't stall in that area, but breaks it.

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What's really beautiful in that situation is that all that happens in a much bigger resistance area.

Here is the Weekly chart:

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I got Two SL, according to the scenarios I'm checking (marked with Red).

I still hadn't explained my exit methodology, so I won't get into it on this post.

Regards,
Yaniv
 
 
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  • Edited 11:35pm Nov 6, 2012 9:46am | Edited 11:35pm
  •  Naked Trader
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Pending order short on the AUDSGD.

We can see on the 4H chart a nice flip between support and resistance, last 4H candle breaks that area.

If you open the 1H chart you can see clearly a very hard break, price doesn't stall in that area, but breaks it.

Attachment 1072107

What's really beautiful in that situation is that all that happens in a much bigger resistance area.

Here is the Weekly chart:

Attachment 1072108

I got Two SL, according to the scenarios I'm checking (marked with Red).

I still hadn't explained my exit...
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I got stopped out.

-1% to the account

Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 6, 2012 11:34pm Nov 6, 2012 11:34pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
Hey,

I took the retest after the break of the flip of the USDJPY.

I took profit after 1:1 in order to cover the lost of my last trade.

Attach is the chart.

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+1% to the account.

Almost BE in total.

Regards,
Yaniv
 
 
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  •  Kenawee
  • | Joined Feb 2012 | Status: USDILS Trader-to-be! | 35 Posts
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Hey,

I took the retest after the break of the flip of the USDJPY.

I took profit after 1:1 in order to cover the lost of my last trade.

Attach is the chart.

Attachment 1074024

+1% to the account.

Almost BE in total.

Regards,
Yaniv
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Did you go short, Yaniv? Where were your entry, exit, SL and TP?

I am just trying to get the hang of it. This (picture) is how I would have traded this (excuse me if it is naive or stupid, I am a beginner as you know)

But one thing I do not understand about that trade is that it would have been going against the uptrend. Isn't that an issue?

Let me know please how and why you traded this.

Thank you
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  • Nov 7, 2012 1:20pm Nov 7, 2012 1:20pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
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Did you go short, Yaniv? Where were your entry, exit, SL and TP?

I am just trying to get the hang of it. This (picture) is how I would have traded this (excuse me if it is naive or stupid, I am a beginner as you know)

But one thing I do not understand about that trade is that it would have been going against the uptrend. Isn't that an issue?

Let me know please how and why you traded this.

Thank you
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Hey Kenawee,

Your question is not stupid at all, please continue ask questions cause I learn from it a lot.

As for your question, I had attached your chart with addition data from my side.

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After I saw there is a flip on the 4H, I had waiting for the hard break of that area, we got that break (I had marked it with a Green box).

After the break I had inserted the short order, waiting for price to retest that area (your Red line), we also call that kind of setup as "touch trade"

With regards to the SL, I'm checking Two placement of SL, I had marked them in the chart.

Since I had wanted to balance the account, in both cases I had closed after 1:1 (or +1% to the account).

I don't care about the trend, price (as you can see) respects most of the time support and resistance areas. but it's true that as a beginner we should try and trade with the trend and not against it.

I hope I had answered your question.

Please don't hesitate posting should you have any questions or unclear issues.

Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 7, 2012 3:06pm Nov 7, 2012 3:06pm
  •  Naked Trader
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Hey Kenawee,

Your question is not stupid at all, please continue ask questions cause I learn from it a lot.

As for your question, I had attached your chart with addition data from my side.

Attachment 1074654

After I saw there is a flip on the 4H, I had waiting for the hard break of that area, we got that break (I had marked it with a Green box).

After the break I had inserted the short order, waiting for price to retest that area (your Red line), we also call that kind of setup as "touch trade"

With regards to the SL, I'm checking...
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And look at that, price came to this level again and dropped hard time.

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This thing works (as you can see), I like the first retest, retest that come after are more dangerous in my point of view.

But still...... worked the second time

Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 7, 2012 3:55pm Nov 7, 2012 3:55pm
  •  Naked Trader
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OK....... I took this 8H PB short on the NZDUSD during work hours, so can post it just now

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On the Orange area we got a false breakout of a resistance area on the 8H chart, this false breakout gave us a beautiful PB (Red arrow) .

First area to watch is the Green area, we can see a combination of high and lows in the consolidation area.

The more bigger area is the Blue area, major flip of support and resistance.

My SL is now @ BE and I'm gonna TP @ the Blue area just at the low of the bar before the PB.

Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 7, 2012 7:03pm Nov 7, 2012 7:03pm
  •  Kenawee
  • | Joined Feb 2012 | Status: USDILS Trader-to-be! | 35 Posts
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OK....... I took this 8H PB short on the NZDUSD during work hours, so can post it just now

Attachment 1074716

On the Orange area we got a false breakout of a resistance area on the 8H chart, this false breakout gave us a beautiful PB (Red arrow) .

First area to watch is the Green area, we can see a combination of high and lows in the consolidation area.

The more bigger area is the Blue area, major flip of support and resistance.

My SL is now @ BE and I'm gonna TP @ the Blue area just at the low of the bar before the...
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It went down for over 800 pips! You are a prophet!

It looked like a "free fall" on my 4 hour-chart (I don't have 8 hours)

Great job, hopefully someday I will get half as good as you are.

Peace and love to you my friend.
 
 
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  • Nov 11, 2012 1:08pm Nov 11, 2012 1:08pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
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It went down for over 800 pips! You are a prophet!

It looked like a "free fall" on my 4 hour-chart (I don't have 8 hours)

Great job, hopefully someday I will get half as good as you are.

Peace and love to you my friend.
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Yes, I was very happy to open the chart Friday and see price dropped like a stone.

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I'm really not a prophet, just pure and simple price action

Everybody can do it, it's that easy.
 
 
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  • Nov 13, 2012 5:03pm Nov 13, 2012 5:03pm
  •  Naked Trader
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Go Vegan! | 40 Posts
Hey,

A trade I took today on the break of the flip zone on the 1H chart (USDCHF).

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I got short on the retest, SL was above maximum price (Red line).

SL is now @ BE.

Regards,
Yaniv
 
 
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  • Nov 13, 2012 5:21pm Nov 13, 2012 5:21pm
  •  RisingSun
  • Joined Jun 2007 | Status: trader | 1,688 Posts
Hello Yaniv,

Nice journal!

Do you ever trade off W1 or D1 time frame?

Akira
 
 
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  • Nov 14, 2012 5:47am Nov 14, 2012 5:47am
  •  Naked Trader
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Hello Yaniv,

Nice journal!

Do you ever trade off W1 or D1 time frame?

Akira
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Hey Akira,

Thanks for your kind words, appreciate it.

I do trade the Weekly and Daily charts (but obviously it's rare compared to inter-day trading).

Regards,
Yaniv
 
 
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