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  • First Post: Oct 13, 2012 3:44am Oct 13, 2012 3:44am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
This system is quite different than most here on Forexfactory. I have traded it in various formats since 2009. I am not here to boast how great it is or how it is the truth in trading but I can say for certain it is profitable and can be quite enjoyable to trade.

I have been deeply influenced by Michael Jardine, Kevin Haggerty, Austin Passamonte and a mysterious guy named Phat Dat from an irc futures room many years ago. Basically what I learned from these experienced traders is that markets are constantly backfilling - or mean reverting -and that if you want to catch huge waves you have to get in way before the breakout.

Weekly meantrades is about catching the really big intraday trades and holding on for substantial targets.

How to setup your charts

First thing you need is to modify your fibonacci levels. I do not trade the normal ratios as they are, what I call, "crowded" levels. I don't want to be in a hurry to get in or out of my trades. I prefer things to develop quietly.

I use the following levels on my fib tool and none other:


1
.5
0
3.77
-3.77
6.11
-6.11
9.88
-9.88

At the beginning of each trading week open your four hour chart and draw the fibo from the high to low on the first or second bar. I usually draw the fib on the smaller of the two bars but do not draw it on a bar smaller than 20 pips. If neither the first or second bar are larger than 20 pips I will wait until the first four hour bar which satisfies this requirement. The purpose of this is to establish the early volatility for the week ahead. These levels are not trying to predict anything. They are merely to draw a decent range in order to take trades as the week develops.

Second you need to apply 3 more indicators with the following settings:

Stochastics set at 10,3,3
Supertrend nrp at 10 and 1.5
Keltner Bands at 50 50 1.5

Note, we will draw the ratios on the 4 hour chart but take the signals on the hourly chart.

Trade signal

Usually the first signal will happen in the late London session if not for sure the next day there will be a signal.

You are looking to buy the bounce or sell the spike and hold on until we reach profit objective.

Once price has traded to one of the ratio levels you are going to look for a reversal. The following signal can develop over 36 hours, it need not happen in just an hour or two. Often times quick reversals are too fast to get into and risk getting filled at the worst possible price.
First, the stochastics must cross over for longs the crossover needs to occur below the 20 level, shorts above the 80 level.
Second the supertrend must also reverse. For longs it needs to cross upwards, for shorts it needs to cross downwards.
Third, price must touch the outside of the Keltner band and begin to reverse. This ensures that there is decent volatility and the chances of the market following through are much better. Small subtle note to not take trades where the price bar has already crossed through the median band already, this just creates a larger risk which may or may not bounce back and stop you out.



Stops
I am currently using 200 pip stops, previously I have used swing high and swing low but I found this only works when markets are highly volatile. Currently volatility is extremely low and thus we are not snapping back as swiftly as necessary to rely on swing levels to prevent stop runs. When volatility rises it easy enough to check the ATR reading on the daily chart and assess what is a reasonable level to avoid intraday stop runs.

Position sizing
I usually trade on 10 to 1 margin. So if I have a 10,000 dollar account I will not trade more than a total of 100,000 position size for the total account. That means if I am trading 5 markets I will not trade each position with more than 20,000.
Often times I will get a second entry signal with the first signal in a negative balance. As long as my position size is within my risk parameters, I will enter that second lot. I prefer to only enter if the signal provides a price improvement to lower my average cost, I am not a big fan of averaging up on an intraday trade strategy.

Taking profits

Once price has successfully touched the opposite end of the Keltner band, we want to move stops to break even. Our target is the first ratio level above the Keltner band for longs and the first ratio level below for shorts.

Many traders like to take partial or full profits at this point. However after trading for quite a few years I realize that getting stopped out breakeven is much better than missing out on larger profits. This is a mathematical quandary and the research suggests that the longer you leave your profitable trade open the better change you have of making more money, not less. Even though this means you will invariably see nice gains disappear, the one trade you take off too soon which makes up for all the stop outs is an impossibility without staying in the market "risk free" for a little longer.

I currently trade EUR/USD GBP/USD, EUR/JPY, Gold, Oil and occasionally AUD/USD.

I find that on average I can get 2 decent signals per week per pair. After the third signal, the ratio levels tend to degrade in their accurate reading of volatility and prefer to wait until the next week to get a better range to trade from.

I will post some trades from this week below.
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  • Oct 13, 2012 3:46am Oct 13, 2012 3:46am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Oil trade from October 8th
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  • Oct 13, 2012 3:53am Oct 13, 2012 3:53am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Euro trade from October 8th, good for at least 70 pips

Euro trade from October 10th, good for 30 pips. You can see that the stochs signaled a sell on the same bar as entry. if you want to wait until price levels off, you could have easily made a better entry. I consider signals valid until the stop level hits. So no reason to throw away the signal.
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  • Oct 13, 2012 3:58am Oct 13, 2012 3:58am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
This is what a small loss looks like in Weekly Meantrade
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  • Oct 13, 2012 4:07am Oct 13, 2012 4:07am
  •  mezarashii
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averaged in but still a loss on EURJPY this week
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  • Oct 13, 2012 7:26am Oct 13, 2012 7:26am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
The gold chart has yielded on average 225 pips per month. This is applying the break even stop on the Keltner touch. The months of June and July were particularly tough as there were several losing trades. For the most part, the system holds up in choppy markets. Although there are times when taking the small profit feels like the only way to make money. Over the long run, it is short-sighted to do so.
 
 
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  • Oct 13, 2012 9:42am Oct 13, 2012 9:42am
  •  billbss
  • Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 4,301 Posts
I'm having a hard time reading your charts.

The EUR/USD trade on October 8, looks like it was actually taken on Oct 5. None of the ratio levels had yet been broken on the 8th.

Your "Buy Here" and "Sell Here" notes on the chart can't be matched with any particular point. At least i can't match them up.
 
 
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  • Oct 13, 2012 11:42am Oct 13, 2012 11:42am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Quoting billbss
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I'm having a hard time reading your charts.

The EUR/USD trade on October 8, looks like it was actually taken on Oct 5. None of the ratio levels had yet been broken on the 8th.

Your "Buy Here" and "Sell Here" notes on the chart can't be matched with any particular point. At least i can't match them up.
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Hi Bill,

The short on October 8th crossed below the zero level. The three clustered ratios are to be treated individually.
 
 
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  • Oct 13, 2012 12:19pm Oct 13, 2012 12:19pm
  •  billbss
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Quoting mezarashii
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Hi Bill,

The short on October 8th crossed below the zero level. The three clustered ratios are to be treated individually.
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If that's the case shouldn't you have been looking for a reversal in the long direction?

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Once price has traded to one of the ratio levels you are going to look for a reversal.
 
 
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  • Oct 13, 2012 12:37pm Oct 13, 2012 12:37pm
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
I'm always trading with the supertrend. If you notice it is red when it crosses below the ratio levels thus it is a short trade.
 
 
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  • Oct 13, 2012 2:47pm Oct 13, 2012 2:47pm
  •  billbss
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Quoting mezarashii
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I'm always trading with the supertrend. If you notice it is red when it crosses below the ratio levels thus it is a short trade.
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What does this mean?

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Once price has traded to one of the ratio levels you are going to look for a reversal.
It is part of your entrance rules.

Price traded to one of the levels and you DID NOT look for a reversal.



Why don't you restate the rules of the system?
 
 
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  • Oct 15, 2012 5:50am Oct 15, 2012 5:50am
  •  orionfx
  • | Joined Dec 2010 | Status: Price is the king | 140 Posts
Hi mate , how to draw Fib. level in your style please give an example.
 
 
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  • Oct 15, 2012 6:00am Oct 15, 2012 6:00am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Quoting billbss
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What does this mean?

It is part of your entrance rules.

Price traded to one of the levels and you DID NOT look for a reversal.



Why don't you restate the rules of the system?
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Hi Bill,

Please take a look at the further annotated chart again.

When the second level is broken I was reasonably confident in the short trade continuing. Yes, the trade did not "nest" properly for the 3rd level so the trade would have been invalid. That is the not the case for the second level.
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  • Oct 15, 2012 6:05am Oct 15, 2012 6:05am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Quoting orionfx
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Hi mate , how to draw Fib. level in your style please give an example.
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Sure,

Draw a normal fibo on any chart, then right click and go to the objects list, open the fibo then go to fibo levels, the second tab, under that tab delete all the existing levels and add these

Level description
1 1.00
.5 0.50
0 0.00
3.77 3.77
-3.77 -3.77
6.11 6.11
-6.11 -6.11
9.88 9.88
-9.88 -9.88

Hope that helps.

Again, please remember these are ranges, not predicted price levels. If price trades to these levels and bounces, we still need supertrend, Keltner and stochs to conform for a trade setup.
 
 
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  • Oct 15, 2012 11:35am Oct 15, 2012 11:35am
  •  charvo
  • Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Backtest is meaningless (to me) | 2,175 Posts
Hi, Mezarashii:

do you happen to have some new draws for this week?

in your figures, the first 4 or 8 hours are not clearly indicated. i'm not quite with you how you draw the Fibos.

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Sure,

Draw a normal fibo on any chart, then right click and go to the objects list, open the fibo then go to fibo levels, the second tab, under that tab delete all the existing levels and add these
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  • Oct 16, 2012 2:43am Oct 16, 2012 2:43am
  •  Walad100100
  • | Joined Aug 2008 | Status: Member | 128 Posts
I am following you.

Would you please update your first post to reflect all the tips you wrote (or still have) regarding how to trade this method?

Do you have any performance figures on Live account?
 
 
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  • Oct 16, 2012 9:47pm Oct 16, 2012 9:47pm
  •  Walad100100
  • | Joined Aug 2008 | Status: Member | 128 Posts
Thanks for sharing. Yet, I find the charts very confusing. Is there any possibility of giving more clearer examples?
 
 
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  • Oct 18, 2012 11:27am Oct 18, 2012 11:27am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Sure, here is the update for the trading this week.

First up, oil.

2 trades on 10-15 1 break even 1 for 114 pips

1 trade on 10-17 for 70 pips

Currently waiting to the end of the hour for a long if price closes above the supertrend, I will enter.
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  • Oct 18, 2012 11:35am Oct 18, 2012 11:35am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
so far eur has two shorts on, both in loss. Will exit on the lower touch of the keltner band for a small loss.

This is the worst case scenario for this system and it's why I use such large stops. Often times the second trade will reach profit and compensate for the first loss. And if the market really goes nuts, at least I will only lose on that specific trade.

The point is, I trade volatility, I have to use wide stops, but I also need wide targets to make it worthwhile. My profit targets are usually smaller than my stops, but my hit rate is above 70% so it's not a big issue for me.

My biggest trader is gold. I love trading gold with this system. Thus far for the year I am over 2,500 pips, that's 250 pips a month with on average, only 2 trades a week. That's profitable trading no matter how you look at it.
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  • Last Post: Oct 18, 2012 11:43am Oct 18, 2012 11:43am
  •  mezarashii
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 44 Posts
Quoting charvo
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Hi, Mezarashii:

do you happen to have some new draws for this week?

in your figures, the first 4 or 8 hours are not clearly indicated. i'm not quite with you how you draw the Fibos.
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Hi Charvo,

I determine where to draw the fibs based on the size of the first or second bar of the week. I don't want too large a bar, as that will make my targets and entries very unlikely. I also don't want it too small as it becomes irrelevant when the market makes a big move.

This week I used the second bar of the week for the EURO. The first bar was quite large and the second 23 pips, larger than my required 20.
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