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  • #35,721
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:10pm Oct 8, 2012 8:10pm
Quoting Jackguar
They are dumping the pound.

Off to yoga classes.
.......don't relax too much, may awake to a rude awakening, this system is collapsing me think, take cover......
The Chonchy
  • #35,722
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:14pm Oct 8, 2012 8:14pm
Quoting Piters
but the major reason is still here, and apart of the HUGE debt, US are not even close to start repaying.. or.. to be more clear, the income from US economy is not enough to cover the current minimal US budget existence.. not even talking about Growth or any kind of repayment..

so what we are seeing here is buying some time, [voters] and hope on some better future.. and the price ???

naah.. piece of cake.. we sell some future, IOY's, and the future of next generations..
you and Tchir are on the same page here Piters, i think

"somehow this dynamic of blaming China, wanting to export, talking about jobs, but not the debt, and treating it as normal for the Fed to own almost 40% of our longer dated bonds just feels like a situation that will end badly. Maybe it is years away, but some of the people pointing out legitimate issues, are treated much like those who talked about sub-prime in 2005.

A great many things can be done to avert any problems, but recognizing that there is a problem and trying to avert it is the first step and we seem a long way from that recognition.."

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  • #35,723
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:15pm Oct 8, 2012 8:15pm
Quoting roro53
you are not the only one asking that question, but ...it will fly until it doesn't

referring to the debate (misnomer if ever there was one - actors pretending more like it)...."it was funny that no one pointed out that the biggest lender to the U.S. government is the Fed.

That at some point, the Fed could become the biggest owner of mortgages backed by Fannie and Freddie, which are in turn backed by the U.S. government. ....not sure why it bothers me so much, maybe it is just that I’m not used to it, but we seem to be...
or.. let me ask you something.. let say. there is a technology which need to be developed and there is a cost for that development..

let's go hypothetical and have a fun:

1. let say, the technology is worm travel into the space visiting some new worlds, new technologies, chance to gain some new knowledge ect..ect..
2. let say, there is an estimation, that by some normal path, we should be able to get that technology in about 200-300 Years
3. let say, that we are having some chance to cut that time for development, but we have to sell some future, or borrow money from our future or our kids future.. and we are going to be able to cut that time in 10fold, or instead wait for 300Y we can get that technology in our life span..

4.. now the decision point, to be or not to be..
new technology vs some debt which at the end of the day is going to be re-paid after US..

welcome to the Internet technology and Baby Boom Generation..
  • #35,724
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:19pm Oct 8, 2012 8:19pm
........and this time fxsolutions did show the spike up on the franc......or no spike, the candle.......some is going on.....

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The Chonchy
  • #35,725
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:26pm Oct 8, 2012 8:26pm
Quoting Piters
or.. let me ask you something.. let say. there is a technology which need to be developed and there is a cost for that development..

let's go hypothetical and have a fun:

1. let say, the technology is worm travel into the space visiting some new worlds, new technologies, chance to gain some new knowledge ect..ect..
2. let say, there is an estimation, that by some normal path, we should be able to get that technology in about 200-300 Years
3. let say, that we are having some chance to cut that time for development, but we have to sell some future,...
........the thing is that NASA space center cost from the last 2000 years is less than the cost of the military, the pentagon and all the bases around the glove, and when the aliens come none of that military complex is going to serve for nothing good, because this people will come with laser guns and disapering shiet and all that funky sutff we see on the movies, oh you think the guys on the movies invented that, dream on.......there is not that good of a writer in hoollywood........they copy it from the records, secret records......
The Chonchy
  • #35,726
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:27pm Oct 8, 2012 8:27pm
Quoting roro53
you and Tchir are on the same page here Piters, i think

"somehow this dynamic of blaming China, wanting to export, talking about jobs, but not the debt, and treating it as normal for the Fed to own almost 40% of our longer dated bonds just feels like a situation that will end badly. Maybe it is years away, but some of the people pointing out legitimate issues, are treated much like those who talked about sub-prime in 2005.[b]

A great many things can be done to avert any problems, but recognizing that there...

soc. sec is gone.. to whole generations, and those generations are now about to retire.. the BIGGEST problem in miss calculations since early '50-'60

there is no quick fix.. Fed is playing a dumper or tampon space between the owners [retirees] and govs.

yeah.. we can fly, sail, surf, all economy went global.. internet.. if you are smart you can make fortunes over the internet.. all that infrastructure has a price..
Obviously in the name of the growth and future development as a civilization, someone made decision to sacrifice lot of things.. We can now go, and academically discuss what went wrong, and whom to blame... but many factors were around.. and no one government wanted to clear that mess, as a non populistic policy.. or everyone who wanted to fix that problem will eventually loss the elections.. so.. as we saw.. the best way is kick the can down the road..

FED is one of the roads.. and so far serving not only to US but to all markets..

few times in history we saw patterns with an economic cycles..

steam, Oil, electricity, internet.. same this time.. we will eventually get out of this mess, but only when we get some new energy or technology.. today, tomorrow, in few months.. years, decades.. who knows.. time will tell..
  • #35,727
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:30pm Oct 8, 2012 8:30pm
Quoting chonchy
........the thing is that NASA space center cost from the last 2000 years is less than the cost of the military, the pentagon and all the bases around the glove, and when the aliens come none of that military complex is going to serve for nothing good, because this people will come with laser guns and disapering shiet and all that funky sutff we see on the movies, oh you think the guys on the movies invented that, dream on.......there is not that good of a writer in hoollywood........they copy it from the records, secret records......
just hypothetically mate.. no NASA or other thing..

we can get different example.. let say you are able to teleport yourself at any time and space..

the idea was to point on human greed and investing in future.. and the cost
  • #35,728
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:32pm Oct 8, 2012 8:32pm
Quoting roro53
you and Tchir are on the same page here Piters, i think

"somehow this dynamic of blaming China, wanting to export, talking about jobs, but not the debt, and treating it as normal for the Fed to own almost 40% of our longer dated bonds just feels like a situation that will end badly. Maybe it is years away, but some of the people pointing out legitimate issues, are treated much like those who talked about sub-prime in 2005.

[b]A great many things can be done to avert any problems, but recognizing that there...
........Oh and you think they don't know none of this, Obama being a lawyer, his wife a lawyer and all this politicians in washington know all this things bether than Dr. Ron Paul, or you think ron paul is the only one that went to school there, they all know man, they are all just corrupted just like GoldMan saids, they are a bunch of cowards that think that with all the millions they are doing, they are going to retired and live happyly ever after, but the elite have news for them when the dollar fail and they will be left with suit cases of cash and no value, onlythe smart ones that are buying gold now will survive........me think, my 2 cents,
The Chonchy
  • #35,729
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:32pm Oct 8, 2012 8:32pm
Quoting Piters
or.. let me ask you something.. let say. there is a technology which need to be developed and there is a cost for that development..

let's go hypothetical and have a fun:

1. let say, the technology is worm travel into the space visiting some new worlds, new technologies, chance to gain some new knowledge ect..ect..
2. let say, there is an estimation, that by some normal path, we should be able to get that technology in about 200-300 Years
3. let say, that we are having some chance to cut that time for development, but we have to sell some future,...
off the top a brilliant hypothesis, .....nothing to loose and if it works the price is cheap.

besides, everyone wants to believe in a future

the cost will be forgotten regardless of the outcome.....
  • #35,730
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:37pm Oct 8, 2012 8:37pm
Quoting Piters
just hypothetically mate.. no NASA or other thing..

we can get different example.. let say you are able to teleport yourself at any time and space..

the idea was to point on human greed and investing in future.. and the cost
well Peters, maybe I'm not understanding you very well here, but i rather spend money is knowing the space and the future of were we are going in terms of thechnology than in wars and bases and sending our joungh ones to wars that are not for the defence of the country but for the defence of corporations that have being double cross and trown out this countries for stilling their resources, why don't they hired their own soldiers and their own secutity why we have to paid for it form our taxes that could be use to R&D and create jobs, why don't create good minds to think about alternative sources of energy, oh because they own it all the oil......
The Chonchy
  • #35,731
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:44pm Oct 8, 2012 8:44pm
Quoting chonchy
well Peters, maybe I'm not understanding you very well here, but i rather spend money is knowing the space and the future of were we are going in terms of thechnology than in wars and bases and sending our joungh ones to wars that are not for the defence of the country but for the defence of corporations that have being double cross and trown out this countries for stilling their resources, why don't they hired their own soldiers and their own secutity why we have to paid for it form our taxes that could be use to R&D and create jobs, why don't...
dont get me wrong my friend.. I am also against any brutal force or intervention or wars..

my experiences teach me that You need to sit HIGH to oversee FAR..

what I am trying to say is..
again, I am not approving any military actions except in self defense.. but to judge right you need a top clearance on top rated info's, which we as an ordinary Joe's are not having any access to..

I was just trying to get a reason and logic where, who and why all this is happening and eventually if we can cure that illness..
  • #35,732
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:49pm Oct 8, 2012 8:49pm
Quoting chonchy
........Oh and you think they don't know none of this, Obama being a lawyer, his wife a lawyer and all this politicians in washington know all this things bether than Dr. Ron Paul, or you think ron paul is the only one that went to school there, they all know man, they are all just corrupted just like GoldMan saids, they are a bunch of cowards that think that with all the millions they are doing, they are going to retired and live happyly ever after, but the elite have news for them when the dollar fail and they will be left with suit cases of cash...
it is kind of simple when you think about it, chonchy...maybe i am simple

but, fractional reserve banking is really just a more modern and in many ways a more civilized form of slavery.........debt slavery

you get a house a car a tv and a credit card, but you still owe bro, and you never stop owing

maybe, apparently the possession or illusion of possession of the material as a form of social status makes us forget that...

i guess so
  • #35,733
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:57pm Oct 8, 2012 8:57pm
Quoting Piters
dont get me wrong my friend.. I am also against any brutal force or intervention or wars..

my experiences teach me that You need to sit HIGH to oversee FAR..

what I am trying to say is..
again, I am not approving any military actions except in self defense.. but to judge right you need a top clearance on top rated info's, which we as an ordinary Joe's are not having any access to..

I was just trying to get a reason and logic where, who and why all this is happening and eventually if we can cure that illness..
........Peter I don't need to have more info and I don't need to sit high to see that all is fix by this banksters, by the elite, that just like roro say have us slaves of debt, debt for cars, debt for the house, debt for the way of life that you see aroung you, and the funny thing is that all this is made out of thing air, and who pay the cost? we with higer taxes and inflation, the food and gas cost more everyday, and they keep printing money out of thing air and lending it to us and if we can't pay they kick us out, oh come on man, untill when is this, untill when the politicians as you say are going to kick the can without gething hit with the same can in their asses........untill when......revolution now, no weapons and no violence, but consiusness and lets make a few politicians responsible for the mess, lets put some people in jail or some, lets end the fed to see where they are going to find the money to aford the life they leave in.......

lets get back to make money the all fashion way, by earning it.....
The Chonchy
  • #35,734
  • Oct 8, 2012 8:57pm Oct 8, 2012 8:57pm
nasdaq looking a bit OS here and apple not ready to fall all the way yet so took a long and try to get back some Ing took from me on friday afternoon ...that bastard
  • #35,735
  • Oct 8, 2012 9:05pm Oct 8, 2012 9:05pm
the people are the ones responsible for who they elect Chonchy

i can blame the politicians (and i have) but in the end if you or i want a democracy as free of corruption as possible then you and i are ultimately the ones who are responsible for it..

freedom is not free....

the politicians are really probably just more realistic about the reality of the human nature than the rest and have made informed and calculated decisions about where their loyalties lay

they are better opportunists as a rule, imo

does not mean i like it but that is what i think

Quoting chonchy
........Peter I don't need to have more info and I don't need to sit high to see that all is fix by this banksters, by the elite, that just like roro say have us slaves of debt, debt for cars, debt for the house, debt for the way of life that you see aroung you, and the funny thing is that all this is made out of thing air, and who pay the cost? we with higer taxes and inflation, the food and gas cost more everyday, and they keep printing money out of thing air and lending it to us and if we can't pay they kick us out, oh come on man, untill when...
  • #35,736
  • Oct 8, 2012 9:07pm Oct 8, 2012 9:07pm
Quoting roro53
the people are the ones responsible for who they elect Chonchy

i can blame the politicians (and i have) but in the end if you or i want a democracy as free of corruption as possible then you and i are ultimately the ones who are responsible for it..

freedom is not free....

the politicians are really probably just more realistic about the reality of the human nature than the rest and have made informed and calculated decisions about where their loyalties lay

they are better opportunists as a rule, imo

does not mean i like it...
I agree

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  • #35,737
  • Oct 8, 2012 9:11pm Oct 8, 2012 9:11pm
Quoting roro53
the people are the ones responsible for who they elect Chonchy

i can blame the politicians (and i have) but in the end if you or i want a democracy as free of corruption as possible then you and i are ultimately the ones who are responsible for it..

freedom is not free....

the politicians are really probably just more realistic about the reality of the human nature than the rest and have made informed and calculated decisions about where their loyalties lay

they are better opportunists as a rule, imo

does not mean i like it but that...
I just stated.. we may academically discuss now who and what went wrong or right.. but someone far in the past, made an executive decision to get out of the gold standard as a limited money supply and with that decision he/they pushed the WORLD [Global] development Engine in 5th gear.. the cost ? the effect ? side-effects ?

too early to Say.. as it is very difficult to gave the right definition for happiness.
  • #35,738
  • Oct 8, 2012 9:14pm Oct 8, 2012 9:14pm
Quoting roro53
it is kind of simple when you think about it, chonchy...maybe i am simple

but, fractional reserve banking is really just a more modern and in many ways a more civilized form of slavery.........debt slavery

you get a house a car a tv and a credit card, but you still owe bro, and you never stop owing

maybe, apparently the possession or illusion of possession of the material as a form of social status makes us forget that...

i guess so
........Yes roro, you are absolutly right on all acounts, they own us and they keep tiying the knot, today you can't own a transportation in the US without an insurance that coast more than the car itself, that is outrageus man, I used to pay 70 bucks insurance for a car I bouhgt when I came her in the 80's and I used to make 3.75 cents an hour, today there is no car less than 3000 dollars that will run decent and the insurance her in florida is over 1000 dollars for PIP, full covers are prohivited because of the cost, so her we are the increase in cost of the good have gone quadruple or quintuple, and the salary minimun is jsut 7.35, wish is only double, and is all because of inflation and taxation, of course they don't care because they are doing millions and out of thin air, enough, I think a civil war is coming because the elite is not going to disapear out of thin air that simple, when one of the presidents that abolish the federal reserve bank, called central bank back then, did it, Rochchild invaded the US with the brithish army, he paid fot eh invasion, and another president out of pity or traitor I realy don't know or care the cause, wanted to end the war, all he had to do was allow for a new 20 years of central back contract with the US congress....a new permit for the bank to slave us again, ended the war, and that is history that no body care to teach our childrens in school, of course no body know this things, they don't allow it, and if a president do some about it they will kill him of inpeech him or not let him win the elctions just like they did with Dr. Ron Paul, ignore him by the media, but who's fault is it at the end? ours.......we are in the best interest for our love ones to learn this things but no body want to waiste time in 3 hour video to lear about this things, too busy with nintendo or facebook, and is all our foult, parents, teacher are not teaching vlues to our childrens anymore, my brother doughter told me that she is not allow or don't have the time, she is a teacher, imagine, but is all our fault man, we allow them to treat us like this, we are the many, they are the few, and still they slave us, we are just a bunch of monkeys just like GoldMan saids man, sorry for the rant.......i had enough man and I want to scream, aloud........ "I can Stand it Anymore"

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The Chonchy
  • #35,739
  • Oct 8, 2012 9:19pm Oct 8, 2012 9:19pm
Quoting Piters
I agree

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ok ok , uncle...i give

you got a Phd in sociology, right
  • #35,740
  • Oct 8, 2012 9:20pm Oct 8, 2012 9:20pm
that is the point......you got it, man

don't be mad

you figured it out already.....so, what's next?

Quoting chonchy
........Yes roro, you are absolutly right on all acounts, they own us and they keep tiying the knot, today you can't own a transportation in the US without an insurance that coast more than the car itself, that is outrageus man, I used to pay 70 bucks insurance for a car I bouhgt when I came her in the 80's and I used to make 3.75 cents an hour, today there is no car less than 3000 dollars that will run decent and the insurance her in florida is over 1000 dollars for PIP, full covers are prohivited because of the cost, so her we are the increase...
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