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  • #11,861
  • Sep 18, 2012 11:58am Sep 18, 2012 11:58am
Quoting FXMindset
I am try visit the website and register and it seem we need to paid in order for fully access the service ya sky ?

am have a pretty bad connection here today,difficult to post and my MT4 price cant move...its a nightmare for me today as cant access the wesbite properly
you can register without paying a dime. i outlined the instructions in this post.

you can begin the free signup here: http://www.mobile4x.com/signup.php

FXMINDSET...how about this? since you are always awesome, I will help you set it up, cool?

i will send you a PM
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  • #11,862
  • Sep 18, 2012 12:03pm Sep 18, 2012 12:03pm
Quoting Skynet
intelligently well put.

throwing out setups like this is the reason why i spot the GBP/USD....good work, sir. hopefully, the MPC wont mess things up too much.

once again, thanks for the contribution.

ADDENDUM: i just have an idea: i will do the exact same thing that you are doing: post all the setups and categorize them into two: the ones that are aligned with the heatmaps vs the ones that are not aligned...and we can all see with our eyes a solid field test of the merit or demerit of the heatmap. excellent, shomari. excellent.

great idea!! There's something for cuntos to backtest !! hahaha!! I'm sorry..I couldn't resist. Fuck ya !! Let's compile OUR OWN data.
  • #11,863
  • Sep 18, 2012 12:07pm Sep 18, 2012 12:07pm
Quoting shomari
It's all true.... if I had seen the xau and xag I would have been all over those.
Well, ok,I'll just be honest, and then, guys, tell me what you think.
Last night it occured to me that the heatmaps are based on the information of what happened over the summer, low "volume",, big biys on vacation, people waiting for the major decisions we got last week. So, the heat map is sort of "historical" in a way, but it doesn't take into account last weeks news, and all the new money flowing into the system this week, now that the fund managers...
you raise good points...all i can add to that is this: yes, the heatmap is historical....no doubt, it is historical. you can set the parameters of the heatmap to one day--that is, basically tell the heatmap to show me the money flow SINCE yesterday...you can set it to 3 days: show me the money flow SINCE 3 days ago...OR you can set it to 1 week: show the money from since 1 week ago...i prefer to look at 1 week, 2wks, and 1 month. focusing more on 1week and 2 weeks.

i really have nothing much to add besides that.
" It may mean something. It may mean nothing at all "
  • #11,864
  • Edited 12:39pm Sep 18, 2012 12:23pm | Edited 12:39pm
Quoting Skynet
you raise good points...all i can add to that is this: yes, the heatmap is historical....no doubt, it is historical. you can set the parameters of the heatmap to one day--that is, basically tell the heatmap to show me the money flow SINCE yesterday...you can set it to 3 days: show me the money flow SINCE 3 days ago...OR you can set it to 1 week: show the money from since 1 week ago...i prefer to look at 1 week, 2wks, and 1 month. focusing more on 1week and 2 weeks.

i really have nothing much to add besides that.
Then THAT"S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT !!! NIIIICE !!

Let's look at the heatmaps for the last couple of days, and then evryday til maybe the end of next week. I want to see where the money started flowing starting Monday, Sky can you drop the last 3 days on us, I wanna see if THOSE heatmaps give us an indication of where the money has been going as of this week, after last weeks news.

Let's see if we can catch the very beginning of these next roud of trends !!

If that makes any sense.

I'm an idiot guys...in truth I've never actually looked at the heatmaps myself (goe to the actual heatmap site) because Sky always just posts them here, so I don't have to look for them myself (I know, that is some supremely lazy shit, considering it involves only moving my finger slightly and tapping the mousepad, to click the link to get to the site.) I didn't kow we could look at it fromsay yesterday,cause my lazy ass hasn't ver visited the site, so diregard my last few posts as the words of an ignoramous speaking about something he truly knows nothing about.

I will now proceed in shame, to the site myself , to look at the maps and see if I finnd aythig useful. (I slump,my shoulders, head facing the pavement, as I walk into the cold rainy night, like the schlep I am, as everyone looks on me with disdain and shame)

But then I'll be back with any relevant analysis lol!!
  • #11,865
  • Sep 18, 2012 12:46pm Sep 18, 2012 12:46pm
Quoting Skynet
GBP/AUD and GBP/USD are both technically flawless....

however, AUD and GBP are pretty much neck to neck on the heatmap...on top of that, NZD and JPY are both releasing major econ news today....which will inadvertently impact AUD....on top of that, the british are also having a MPC meeting in roughly 16hours. (that...
Cable daily as i see it,looks like its going to paint an inside bar today,
and looking at the monthly all this up move is nothing more
than an inside bar move also,we're at the top of the range here,
its breakout or pullback time.
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  • #11,866
  • Sep 18, 2012 12:59pm Sep 18, 2012 12:59pm
Quoting shomari
Then THAT"S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT !!! NIIIICE !!

Let's look at the heatmaps for the last couple of days, and then evryday til maybe the end of next week. I want to see where the money started flowing starting Monday, Sky can you drop the last 3 days on us, I wanna see if THOSE heatmaps give us an indication of where the money has been going as of this week, after last weeks news.

Let's see if we can catch the very beginning of these next roud of trends !!

If that makes any sense.

I'm an idiot guys...in truth I've never...

hehehehe. no problem. a few things though:

the heatmap is updated on 17:05 everyday...hence, the last update was 17th of september, 5:05pm. EST. time. that means at minimum you cannot see the money flow for today, 18th of sept until after 5:05 pm eastern today. And when you look at it...set the date to sept 17th...this will show you the money from the 17th till 18th 5:05pm est.

another thing: take any rallying currency, e.g. XAG/USD...it doesnt not rally everyday. no currency does. so, yeah, it may rally today, and pullback tomorrow, only to rally the day after tomorrow....rally, pullback, rally, pullback, rally...etc...repeating that pattern again and again...no currency goes in a straight line. what does this mean with regards to the heatmap? very simply: it means that you can witness money flow in today(rally) only to be followed by money flow out tomorrow(during the pullback) then yet to be followed by money flow in again(rally)only to be followed by money flow out(pullback)....what does that mean? simply:just because the heatmap shows money flow in today...does not mean that automatically means money flow in tomorrow too...otherwise, that will mean the currency rallies everyday without a pullback at all. No currencies does that. No currency rally everyday. hence, why i use 1 week minimum to look at money flow patterns: 1 week minimum eliminates the noise and smooths out the trend. This then leads me to the 3rd point.

the 3rd point: because of point #2, this is the reason why i like looking at the heatmap on at least a 1 week basis: it smooths out the noise. the only person that i can see benefitting from everyday money flow is if you trade the next one or two trading session on a scalping basis. That is, check the money flow at 5:05 pm eastern when the heatmap is updated, then, use the money flow to try and scalp the asian session and possibly the european one....but a trend trading all pairs, system; minimum of 1 week smooths out the money flow patterns. There is a reason i use 1 week minimum: i am not a scalper. Like every tool...it needs to be interpreted correctly.
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  • #11,867
  • Sep 18, 2012 1:19pm Sep 18, 2012 1:19pm
I just ran the heatmap at

http://fxtrade.oanda.com/analysis/currency-heatmap

I ran it from Sept. 14th LAST FRIDAY. I'm going to try to post it here. Sky how do you do it Icould only save the full page to my hard drive. But look at where the money has gone CAD and ZAR THAT"S GOLD =ZAR and oil=CAD. Now we're getting somewhere!!! THAT FITS THE FUNDIES NICELY. My mind is finally coming together in a cohesive vision of the current and upcoming trends. OK here it is, if it doesn't work just go to the site and do it.

SHIT!! It won't let me upload it. Sky how do you do that ?

Check it out guys. I LOVE THIS HEATMAP EVEN MORE NOW!!!!!!!
  • #11,868
  • Sep 18, 2012 1:19pm Sep 18, 2012 1:19pm
Yes, it was a pending order, but I deleted, like to trade the heatmap confirmed trades first...

Quoting shomari
I hope you mean set an entry, and not jumped in yet. Notice in the h1, it could turn into an h1 uptrend. I'm taking it [email protected] , that'll allow for the continuation to push us past the threat of the h1 uptrend.

We have the bp, now we wait for c.
  • #11,869
  • Sep 18, 2012 1:26pm Sep 18, 2012 1:26pm
Quoting Skynet
hehehehe. no problem. a few things though:

the heatmap is updated on 17:05 everyday...hence, the last update was 17th of september, 5:05pm. EST. time. that means at minimum you cannot see the money flow for today, 18th of sept until after 5:05 pm eastern today. And when you look at it...set the date to sept 17th...this will show you the money from the 17th till 18th 5:05pm est.

another thing: take any rallying currency, e.g. XAG/USD...it doesnt not rally everyday. no currency does. so, yeah, it may rally today, and pullback tomorrow, only to...
Yeah, you're probably right, but if something is kicking ass across the board ? Maybe ?
Anyways,now that I've actually been there I'm gonna fool around with it a bit. The cad zar thing makes sense to me oil down gold up, I saw that on cnn today, so it's accurate, then, I guess I would go to technicals and look for obstacles and price projection to see if it's worth a go. I don't know we'll see.
  • #11,870
  • Sep 18, 2012 1:34pm Sep 18, 2012 1:34pm
Quoting shomari
I just ran the heatmap at

http://fxtrade.oanda.com/analysis/currency-heatmap

I ran it from Sept. 14th LAST FRIDAY. I'm going to try to post it here. Sky how do you do it Icould only save the full page to my hard drive. But look at where the money has gone CAD and ZAR THAT"S GOLD =ZAR and oil=CAD. Now we're getting somewhere!!! THAT FITS THE FUNDIES NICELY. My mind is finally coming together in a cohesive vision of the current and upcoming trends. OK here it is, if it doesn't work just go to the...
for my screen capture, i use jet screenshot.com or you can dgo here from cnet website. I use the free version. hehehe.

on the heatmap. i will be honest. i dont trust anything less than a week. unless, i am scalping the next trading session(which i dont do.)

i like a week and 2weeks. it smoothes out the variations. that heatmap is from the 10th till the 17th 5:05 pm eastern time(yesterday).
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  • #11,871
  • Sep 18, 2012 1:43pm Sep 18, 2012 1:43pm
Quoting Skynet
you can register without paying a dime. i outlined the instructions in this post.

you can begin the free signup here: http://www.mobile4x.com/signup.php

FXMINDSET...how about this? since you are always awesome, I will help you set it up, cool?

i will send you a PM
am just replied your PM....teribble connection at my place here...apologize if there is any delay replied sky.....


Many Thanks
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  • #11,872
  • Sep 18, 2012 2:28pm Sep 18, 2012 2:28pm
Quoting shomari
I just ran the heatmap at

http://fxtrade.oanda.com/analysis/currency-heatmap

I ran it from Sept. 14th LAST FRIDAY. I'm going to try to post it here. Sky how do you do it Icould only save the full page to my hard drive. But look at where the money has gone CAD and ZAR THAT"S GOLD =ZAR and oil=CAD. Now we're getting somewhere!!! THAT FITS THE FUNDIES NICELY. My mind is finally coming together in a cohesive vision of the current and upcoming trends. OK here it is, if it doesn't work just go to the site and do it.

SHIT!! It won't let me upload it. Sky how do you do that ?

Check it out guys. I LOVE THIS HEATMAP EVEN MORE NOW!!!!!!!

Quoting shomari
Yeah, you're probably right, but if something is kicking ass across the board ? Maybe ?
Anyways,now that I've actually been there I'm gonna fool around with it a bit. The cad zar thing makes sense to me oil down gold up, I saw that on cnn today, so it's accurate, then, I guess I would go to technicals and look for obstacles and price projection to see if it's worth a go. I don't know we'll see.
let me try and explain what i mean this way:

okay, here is what i mean:...you started from the 14th sept, correct? below is the heatmap for that period: 14th of sept to 17th of september(yesterday).:
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1347995435

As you can see, the CAD bullishness towards the EUR today was anticipated...i mean, you can clearly see that the heatmap was last updated on the 17th of sept 5:05 pm...which precedes the +50pips drop in the EUR/CAD today(18th of september)http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...2&d=1347995435

here is a 30mins EURCAD chart displaying the last time the heatmap was updated...and the price action that follows afterwards....
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...4&d=1347995780

Now, here comes the problem: BELOW IS THE HEATMAP from the 16th to the 17th....in contrast to the above(which happens to be from the 14th to the 17th). take a look at the screenshot below...that is heatmap from 16th to 17th...the follow through was USDCAD during asian session...the eurcad didnt follow through(the eurcad OBEYED the heatmap of the 14th to the 17th...rather than that of the 16th to the 17th...basically, the slightly longer time frame heatmap overrides the shorter time frame heatmap when they are in conflict...the way a longer time frame chart overrides the lower time frame chart...
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...4&d=1347994203


YOU see my point? the lower the time frame, the greater the chance that the signal will contradicts the higher time frame...hence, the signal can be confusing...too much noise. To smooth out the noise...the time frame needs to be longer(not too long, otherwise, it will be irrelevant.).

that is why i prefer the 1week minimum. if you are an intraday scalper, i can see you playing with less than 1 week....

anyways, these are my thoughts...at the END OF THE DAY....each person should play around with the heatmap and decides on how to use it.
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  • #11,873
  • Sep 18, 2012 2:36pm Sep 18, 2012 2:36pm
Skynet!....great great great posts!!!! ....

Quoting Skynet
let me try and explain what i mean this way:

okay, here is what i mean:...you started from the 14th sept, correct? below is the heatmap for that period: 14th of sept to 17th of september(yesterday).:
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1347995435

As you can see, the CAD bullishness towards the EUR today was anticipated...i mean, you can clearly see that the heatmap was last updated on the 17th of sept 5:05 pm...which precedes the +50pips drop in the EUR/CAD today(18th of september)http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...2&d=1347995435...
  • #11,874
  • Sep 18, 2012 2:40pm Sep 18, 2012 2:40pm
Quoting Skynet
let me try and explain what i mean this way:

okay, here is what i mean:...you started from the 14th sept, correct? below is the heatmap for that period: 14th of sept to 17th of september(yesterday).:
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1347995435

As you can see, the CAD bullishness towards the EUR today was anticipated...i mean, you can clearly see that the heatmap was last updated on the 17th of sept 5:05 pm...which precedes the +50pips drop in the EUR/CAD today(18th of september)http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...2&d=1347995435...

Yeah yeah, I know what you mean. Like if you try to trade an h4 setup using an m5 trigger. Too much noise. Yep yep, I get it.

How doyou put all those ovals and arrows on your posts, that's cool.
  • #11,875
  • Sep 18, 2012 2:59pm Sep 18, 2012 2:59pm
Hey Shomari, see post 11872, there is the link for the software, I've just downloaded it, it is simple to use, add text and balloons...

Quoting shomari
Yeah yeah, I know what you mean. Like if you try to trade an h4 setup using an m5 trigger. Too much noise. Yep yep, I get it.

How doyou put all those ovals and arrows on your posts, that's cool.
  • #11,876
  • Sep 18, 2012 3:11pm Sep 18, 2012 3:11pm
so next is a long eur/jpy buy???
acording to 2 weeks and one week heat map
  • #11,877
  • Sep 18, 2012 3:25pm Sep 18, 2012 3:25pm
Skynet and Shomari,
I made this comment a while ago when Skynet first introduced me to the heatmap, but I'll make it again. The heatmap is good for visualization purposes, but this same information is reflected in the shape of the candles.

Quoting Skynet
Just because the heatmap shows money flow in today...does not mean that automatically means money flow in tomorrow too...otherwise, that will mean the currency rallies everyday without a pullback at all. No currencies does that. No currency rally everyday.
Sometimes a currency does rally every day/every week until it eventually doesn't. Those are the currencies we want to trade because they move the cleanest and bring us the biggest profits. Less retrace means more power and more retrace means less power. I analyze which currency pairs have a greater chance to move like this based on the shape of monthly/weekly candles.
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  • #11,878
  • Sep 18, 2012 3:38pm Sep 18, 2012 3:38pm
Quoting zusch
......Sometimes a currency does rally every day/every week until it eventually doesn't.....
with all due respect, that currency doesnt exit. here is a simple way to prove it. post up a currency chart that rallies everyday without a pullback. it doesnt exit. i have attached an example.
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  • #11,879
  • Sep 18, 2012 3:59pm Sep 18, 2012 3:59pm
Quoting Skynet
with all due respect, that currency doesnt exit. here is a simple way to prove it. post up a currency chart that rallies everyday without a pullback. it doesnt exit. i have attached an example.
I don't need to post a chart as that is an excellent example proving my point. Look at the first 7 candles of your chart. No retrace hardly and all of them green. That is the pros signaling each other and all of them are entering accordingly. Any positions open on one of the first 4-5 days are still alive today making you mega pips while the rest of the market chases you. Could you post a monthly chart of XAGCAD with the last 20-30 candles? I don't get that pair from my broker.
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  • #11,880
  • Sep 18, 2012 4:11pm Sep 18, 2012 4:11pm
as states eur vs jpy is to go up so im buying @sky
do you see it?
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