Thank you very much! You are too awesome!
- #46
- Jun 11, 2012 12:01pm Jun 11, 2012 12:01pm
Hi zznbrm,
That is why i asked you for the calculations. Because somewhere out there is huge. and it would take you only a few seconds to copy and paste it here and i would have already the answer to my question.
One more point to get the accurate calculations from you and don't try to find any poorly or inaccurate versions.
I am with you and don't see this as a magic indicator. I only wanted it to experiment with and try to understand the accurate calculation and what is behind it.
This is not me. I am neither desperate nor believe in a holy grail indicator. I just want to learn the calculations behind the true TMA from you.
You're right and thinking is a good thing. But teaching is also a good thing and since you developed this algorithm it would be great to learn it from the source and not someone who thinks he got it right.
On the other hand i could also use the decompiler to get to the source...why also the mystery.
If it is actually only 5 lines of code why don't share? ....it took much more time to write this message than it would have taken you to copy the 5 lines in. On the other Hand you can do pretty much on 5 lines of code....just ask some C Programming Wizards.. 
What is wrong with copy/paste programming for the beginner. Almost everyone who started programming started with copying and pasting code, either from a book or from the Source of someone else. And anyone who is programming knows that you can also learn good programming practice and some new tricks if you read the Source of someone else, especially if this someone else is a god programmer.
Any professional Programmer is using copy and paste. no one will invent the wheel a second time. Also if you use libraries it is a kind of copy and paste as well, since you use code that someone else has programmed.
Not only the good coders but also People who are ready and willing to teach others and share their knowledge.
Or you learn how to use a ex4-decompiler...
Actually i know how to code and do it for a living. I code since the commodore 64 and also program in different languages and on different platforms.
But your logic isn't sound. Not everyone can code. Maybe they can theoretically, but practically is another thing. If everyone could code we wouldn't get payed top dollars for our job.
You also could say everyone can fix his car, you don't need a mechanic, or an electrician, or a carpenter... sure anyone could do this jobs but there are people out there like you and me who actually know what they are doing. Why should it be a problem to ask them, if it is polite...
This answer is not meant to be rude or to insult you. I know you did many good programming work here. And I'm grateful for your work here.
What I don't understand is your argumentation and your attitude against people who are not as knowledgeable as you. Everybody started small at some point.
Have a nice time,
NeoTrader
There are a few reasons why the source code for the TMA Slope True indicators is not being made public (actually, the true calculations were previously shared...I'm sure they are out there somewhere)
1) There are so many versions of TMA Slope floating around. Many of these versions are coded very poorly and are simply inaccurate. And I don't like answering lots of questions about others mistakes.
2) Contrary to popular belief, it is not a magic indicator. The angles of the lines do not give some secret signal of trends and pending reversals.
3) You guys are so friggin desperate for the perfect indicator sent from the heavens. This ain't it. Some of us live in reality...not the dream world of English teachers and Spanish golfers.
4) I'm trying to get you guys to think a little bit. Figure out the true calculations for yourself.
On the other hand i could also use the decompiler to get to the source...why also the mystery.
It is actually about 5 lines of code.
Practice some actual analysis instead of this copy/paste style of programming.
Any professional Programmer is using copy and paste. no one will invent the wheel a second time. Also if you use libraries it is a kind of copy and paste as well, since you use code that someone else has programmed.
Its been mentioned a few times that all the good coders have left FF and now practice coding with the piano teacher. That's great...put your minds together, study the indicators, learn the math behind them, and figure out how to calculate the values you want.
Sometimes you have to work for it...the answers can't always be handed...
Also, I'm sick of hearing that you can't do it because you don't know how to code. That's nothing but the convenient excuse of the lazy. Stop trading for a week and study mql4 (or the programming language for your platform). That is certainly enough time for even the most technically challenged to get a solid understanding so you won't need to depend on others all the time. If you are serious about this business, I'm sure it will be well worth your time.
But your logic isn't sound. Not everyone can code. Maybe they can theoretically, but practically is another thing. If everyone could code we wouldn't get payed top dollars for our job.
You also could say everyone can fix his car, you don't need a mechanic, or an electrician, or a carpenter... sure anyone could do this jobs but there are people out there like you and me who actually know what they are doing. Why should it be a problem to ask them, if it is polite...
This answer is not meant to be rude or to insult you. I know you did many good programming work here. And I'm grateful for your work here.
What I don't understand is your argumentation and your attitude against people who are not as knowledgeable as you. Everybody started small at some point.
Have a nice time,
NeoTrader
Hi zznbrm,
Thanks for your answer
We are not that different at all...i too have no problem to figure out the solution to a problem myself. But I am also used to follow natures law of least resistance... I don't see it why someone should invent the wheel a second time if someone else already had invented it. It is a waste of resources. I don't know if you have enough time to do things like this. I don't. And if a polite question can save me a bunch of time i have no problem to ask.
yes it happens sometimes...but do you remember how you did feel when he declined? Where you happy with his decision? Sure, you can redo the programming and also do improvements. But this is also possible if you had the source already...and had therefore maybe more time to improve it further.
actually you could... it is your decision.. Or is someone behind you pointing a gun at your head and says "I shoot you when you give your source code out"
I already have different algorithms that claim to be the TMA true. But most of them are based on MAs (LWMA, SMA) and I just wanted to see your approach.
But it was not always so...you shared your sources before as i could see in http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=257683. But at some point you deleted your files and had a change of mind. it would be interesting to know what happened. I'm just curious.
Thanks again for all your time and your efforts...
NeoTrader.
P.S.: I already have your algorithm now and can explore and experiment with it... thanks again.
Thanks for your comments.
Well...it is obvious we have a different way of looking at things. I guess I'm the type of guy who would rather take a little extra time to try to figure out the solution to a problem myself. Not only does this provide one with a sense of accomplishment, but also the extra effort allows for a more thorough understanding of the process. I think some of the best developers on this forum share this philosophy: hayseed, Xaphod, CockeyedCowboy.
I don't see it why someone should invent the wheel a second time if someone else already had invented it. It is a waste of resources. I don't know if you have enough time to do things like this. I don't. And if a polite question can save me a bunch of time i have no problem to ask.I can think of one time I asked someone to share their code for an indicator. They declined. It was no big deal really...I just spent the time to figure it out on my own. It worked out great because I learned a lot more doing it myself and even improved the indicator a little bit.
Oh well...you can't make everyone happy.
Or is someone behind you pointing a gun at your head and says "I shoot you when you give your source code out" Eventually someone will take the challenge and figure it out. Or someone will take the easy way out and simply decompile the code. Either way, I'm sure you will get your algorithm.
Besides, withholding source code is always a good way to get a rise out of a few individuals.
Thanks again for all your time and your efforts...
NeoTrader.
P.S.: I already have your algorithm now and can explore and experiment with it... thanks again.
- #60
- Jul 23, 2012 11:37am Jul 23, 2012 11:37am
- Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Backtest is meaningless (to me) | 2,176 Posts
