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  • May 18, 2012 5:11am May 18, 2012 5:11am
  •  alvin2434
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I took these trades, already got some profit from some long trades before.
It's a war zone between bull and bear right now, i'll stay with this long positions until it break the zone
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Stopped out on all position
 
 
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  • May 18, 2012 7:16am May 18, 2012 7:16am
  •  hyperspeeds3
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I cant find the skype thread/group is it still dean.guile? Can someone add me @ hyperspeeds3
 
 
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  • May 18, 2012 3:29pm May 18, 2012 3:29pm
  •  phi1ipp
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Hi Dean,

I know you're probably too busy with your trading but when you have a chance could you please describe how exactly a gap should be treated in terms of SD zones? Sam mentioned that a gap usualy means extreme level of supply or demand. But how exactly can we use it? Where should be a zone marked? Is it relevant to Forex weekend and holiday gaps?

Thank you in advance! Your explanations are awesome and worth thousands of articles Peer to peer questions and answers helps a lot!
 
 
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  • May 18, 2012 3:33pm May 18, 2012 3:33pm
  •  deankenny21
  • Joined Jan 2011 | Status: Senior Member - Pro FX Trader | 2,735 Posts
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Hi Dean,

I know you're probably too busy with your trading but when you have a chance could you please describe how exactly a gap should be treated in terms of SD zones? Sam mentioned that a gap usualy means extreme level of supply or demand. But how exactly can we use it? Where should be a zone marked? Is it relevant to Forex weekend and holiday gaps?

Thank you in advance! Your explanations are awesome and worth thousands of articles Peer to peer questions and answers helps a lot!
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I differ from Sams views here, as theres no such things as Gaps, markets are open all week sat and sun.
 
 
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  • May 21, 2012 5:25pm May 21, 2012 5:25pm
  •  goldfish3
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Hi guys,

Nice thread you have going here. Ive been following it for a few days now read through it watch some of the suggested videos of Sam. I am primarily a hardcore J16er (i mix a small bit of fundy to add more confluence to my trades but not most of the time). Ive been following the J16 thread for about a year now and have gotten pretty good with the technique.

Now James teaches how to identify trouble areas like PPZ (pivot point Zones which consist of Support & resistance levels) amongst other things. Many people on the thread have many different variations on how to identify these levels but primarily what it is about is trying to figure out zones where there is excess demand or supply and using that to benefit.

My biggest problem to date has been entry points and stop placements and exits. Using the J16 technique i can achieve a very high strike rate in a successful move but my weakness is the question "where to enter & where to exit". As a result most of the time my orders hit my stop and go in the right direction or my order never gets filled and starts going in the right direction or my order reverses before hitting my TP to go back and break me even. I understand that these have to be learned from trial and error and ultimately experience of developing a keen eye for identification how the trade will be managed. But this dilemma is what has brought me here to this thread. I hope to add trade management skills to my arsenal from here.

So without rambling on any more, I will get to the point. My question is regarding the chart below. Please take a look and see if I am missing the picture .

Best,
-H
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  • May 21, 2012 5:46pm May 21, 2012 5:46pm
  •  deankenny21
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Hi guys,

Nice thread you have going here. Ive been following it for a few days now read through it watch some of the suggested videos of Sam. I am primarily a hardcore J16er (i mix a small bit of fundy to add more confluence to my trades but not most of the time). Ive been following the J16 thread for about a year now and have gotten pretty good with the technique.

Now James teaches how to identify trouble areas like PPZ (pivot point Zones which consist of Support & resistance levels) amongst other things. Many people on the thread have many...
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Welcome

That lower supply u marked is not so good, not much of a move away, no maturation of move etc, but that upper level is beautiful, and you are right the last time it went through sell orders were all consumed, but u see the first time it went back there, sell orders completely took over and wouldve been a super easy trade, as for targets, try and mark the nearest demand zone in the other direction even if its a iffy looking demand, doesnt matter as its our target and as long as its minimum of 1:1 risk reward then pull the trigger, move SL to be as soon as you are comfortable in the trade, so halfway to target is a position i usually move stops. hope this helps

Dean
 
 
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  • May 22, 2012 1:25am May 22, 2012 1:25am
  •  cashforex
  • | Joined Sep 2011 | Status: supply & demand all the way | 236 Posts
hey guys how do i share my charts on this thread with everyone can someone give me the steps

cheers
cashforex
 
 
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  •  goldfish3
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 935 Posts
Quoting deankenny21
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Welcome

That lower supply u marked is not so good, not much of a move away, no maturation of move etc, but that upper level is beautiful, and you are right the last time it went through sell orders were all consumed, but u see the first time it went back there, sell orders completely took over and wouldve been a super easy trade, as for targets, try and mark the nearest demand zone in the other direction even if its a iffy looking demand, doesnt matter as its our target and as long as its minimum of 1:1 risk reward then pull the trigger, move...
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Hi Dean,

Thanks for your response. The reason I mention the rather weak level in the chart was because I made a certain observation. Now lets see if I can choose the right words to put it.

Whenever I open my charts to observe supply and demand I see that wherever there has been even a relatively smallish move up/down (even if its one bar or a couple with no heavy momentum), price will always react to the edge of the bar that lies behind the bar with which the up/down move started when it retraces back to that point. This is ofcourse what you taught in the beginning bits of this thread on how to place the zone i.e. with the previous bar (previous bull bar in down move/previous bear bar in up move).

In fact I have noticed that this coincides with all the trend lines one tends to create. It is always price going back to pick up more orders each time at a lower level which measures up to the previous bar area. And when the orders of that move are finished, then price breaks through and
ignores those zones and goes back in the other direction until it finds more orders from a prior move not yet tested. Given this, one can say with atleast 80 to 90% certainty were price will be reacting. The heavier the previous momentum and the fewer the touches the more it will move in that set direction.

I see one problem with this though. R:R. in most cases, even though price reacts as anticipated, the R:R is not viable to take the trade. i would imagine this would be atleast 1:1 for 50% strike rate to break even in the long run. But then we have running trades. But with 80% strike rate (assuming) if we adjust our R:R to 1:0.125, we should also break even in the long run. If return is anything greater than 0.125 then we should be profitable. Is this something that you have even done considering that your strike rate is obviously much higher than 50:50 which is evident from the live trading posts in the beginning of this thread.

Anyway I have posted the chart below to illustrate what I am trying to say above. Its the same chart I was watching yesterday and posted a question with below. Apart from this I have taken 2 other trades today both successful. minimal draw down for which Ill post the charts later as I am in a rush.. I'm liking this already...

Best,
-H
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  • May 22, 2012 9:35am May 22, 2012 9:35am
  •  goldfish3
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 935 Posts
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hey guys how do i share my charts on this thread with everyone can someone give me the steps

cheers
cashforex
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Hi cashforex,

In MT4 right click on the chart and choose 'save chart as'. save it and then in the 'post reply' box of this thread click on 'attachments' to attach

Best,
-H
 
 
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  • May 22, 2012 3:54pm May 22, 2012 3:54pm
  •  goldfish3
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 935 Posts
Hey Dean,

This time I waited for some PA. But don't know if that was the right thing to do. Not only was there greater drawdown but it came at a cost of at least 20 pip. Im not certain how useful PA would be for this trading approach.

A touch trade would certainly come at a lower risk. Whats your opinion on this?

Best,
-H
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  • May 22, 2012 4:41pm May 22, 2012 4:41pm
  •  phi1ipp
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Hi guyz,

does anybody have this pair on the radar? It'd be great to get Dean's opinion about the zone I've marked. But others are welcome as well!
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  • May 22, 2012 6:25pm May 22, 2012 6:25pm
  •  cashforex
  • | Joined Sep 2011 | Status: supply & demand all the way | 236 Posts
Here is the GBpAUD
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  • May 23, 2012 12:25am May 23, 2012 12:25am
  •  cashforex
  • | Joined Sep 2011 | Status: supply & demand all the way | 236 Posts
Got stopped out, any comments or feedback apprecaited

cash forex
 
 
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  • May 23, 2012 2:45am May 23, 2012 2:45am
  •  goldfish3
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 935 Posts
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Got stopped out, any comments or feedback apprecaited

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Hi Cashforex,

Your entry point was at a swing not a supply zone. If you notice on the below chart the supply was created 2 swings ago. The latest 2 swings were not fresh but reaction to the first supply zone. So when you entered on the 3rd retrace, supply at that level was exhausted and demand won. Therefore it shot straight up.

I, as a rule, do not take even the second swing point for a trade. I will only trade this method if Price is retracing back to fresh supply level. But everyone can have their own preferences. Hope this helps.

Best,
-H
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  • May 23, 2012 3:26am May 23, 2012 3:26am
  •  cashforex
  • | Joined Sep 2011 | Status: supply & demand all the way | 236 Posts
Make sense

thanx for the clear explanation GF

cheers
cashforex
 
 
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  • May 23, 2012 4:00am May 23, 2012 4:00am
  •  cashforex
  • | Joined Sep 2011 | Status: supply & demand all the way | 236 Posts
please your views on this one
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  • May 23, 2012 4:07am May 23, 2012 4:07am
  •  simond2002
  • Joined May 2012 | Status: ... | 1,939 Posts
Hi guys,

Please can you tell me, is the Skype room still active
or is all trading now done through this thread?

Cheers,

Simon
 
 
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  • May 23, 2012 4:26am May 23, 2012 4:26am
  •  goldfish3
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 935 Posts
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please your views on this one
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This was a good zone. I was watching this since yesterday as well. However I scrapped this and went for eurjpy instead (as per my post below) for one reason.

This is my reasoning but again this is specific to the way I trade. I usually like to look at 2 EMA's on my charts. the 150 and the 365. In my experience and what I have learned over the years is that they are quite reactive as support and resistance and also add confluence to a trade decision making process. Now notice the below charts. The blow line is the 365 and the red line is the 150.

For EJ the 150 lay pretty much on the supply level. For UJ it was below. We can then see that it tried to pierce through but then 365 was right above it. It could not cross the 365 and came shooting back down before it reached the standard supply zone where your entry is placed.
Since this move has started, I would remove the sell limit now. But of course the choice is yours. Let me know if that makes sense.

Remember you cant blindly go into trades where there are supply and demand zones. You need confluence. This thread as a compulsion uses FIB and S/D zone to enter. I on the other hand look for more confluences e.g. FIBS, EMA, RN(round numbers), Divergence, S/R levels. Also I like to go with the trend unless there has been a very strong move recently in the opposite direction. I would consider it but then would have very tight management on the trade.

Hope this helps.

Best,
-H
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  • May 23, 2012 6:13am May 23, 2012 6:13am
  •  simond2002
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Now here is a quick trade i took today while we are trending strongly, notice the long row of bars all nearly in line, its NOT a swing high, its a perfect eqilbrium, price was stuck there for a while, then it broke down, I now know this area has "FRESH" sellers sitting there, coz it was equal so thats how i know they are fresh winners. I got 40 pips from this move from a 19 pip risk.

You can find these all over the place on all timeframes, remember a swing high or low is not fresh, ignore swings, look for equal balance like this, nice long balance...
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Hey Dean,

Presumably you shorted the first rally back up to this level?

Cheers,

Simon
 
 
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  • May 23, 2012 7:25am May 23, 2012 7:25am
  •  goldfish3
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 935 Posts
Chart,

Best
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