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  • #701
  • Apr 20, 2012 1:19am Apr 20, 2012 1:19am
There are 2 separate types of problems.

Seller9:

I do place the trades manually to test.

I am not getting error 130 any longer - I found that fix myself - as a conflict between trade entry and exit settings. These issues are different.

When using the ATR only settings (SL at a factor of 2 and TP at a factor of 3) in Setting Set A attached previously - no SL or TP appears either on the chart as the lines and nothing but zeros appear in the Trading Terminal window at the bottom of the screen.

When using Setting Set B (with no ATR, but specific SL and TP entries), the trade message window that pops up says the "trade closed...as profit already met, etc.). In this case, when doing my many tests, the price was not volatile / jumping around and there was plenty of room with SL and TP. As a matter of fact, the settings are similar to those i use with a order manager EA that I have been using for 2 years.

Tex:
And this is on a demo account, with plenty of funds - I use "1" as the trade size (as a "1 mini designation - is that not correct? The account has about $10K in it.)

And over the past 2 years, I have always used hard SL & TP as well as a trail and a BE / Profit protect - after lots of testing, this fits my personality best. My hope was that these could be used with this EA - unless Seller9 has indicated otherwise and I missed it somewhere. I have re read each PDF several times, every page in the Thread and the original thread. Slowly. And of course, I conducted searches in these threads.

I am excited about putting this all to the test. I am also hoping that I can contribute to the cause / greater good" - given my 2 year + experience with the Synergy TDI manual method.

I hope we can get me up and running.. I will continue to experiment on my own of course and try to fix it - and will report back if I do.
Does any of this help Seller9 in better clarifying?

Thanks both of you for your time and replies.
  • #702
  • Apr 20, 2012 1:53am Apr 20, 2012 1:53am
1 means 1 full lot(100k). When place a trade it is just a matter of leverage between you and your broker. So if u have a 1:100 leverage your broker will place the trade with 1 full lot with just 1k of your money, but i'm pretty sure u know all of this.

I have 1 suggestion though.... finetune your setting in backtesting. Visually test your ideas will give u a better picture in a much shorter time. This way you will understand what's what and how the EA will behave in certain situations. After that step forward test to see if the EA is doing what you expect it to do.

And yes, the 130 error comes from the inability of the EA to place the stops because the broker doesn't allow that.
  • #703
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:46am Apr 21, 2012 5:46am
Yep - familiar with the lot size ratios. The issue is elsewhere, I believe.

Here's an interesting behavior. A coding issue maybe?

When the EA enters a trade on its own, using the settings in attachment set "A", SL and TP automatically load.

Once I saw that set A worked well automatically, I left the trade management settings alone - and simply added a new trade entry filter - creating up to 6 sets of settings - all with the same trade mngt settings and with each one having an additional entry filter. I did this because I needed more than one filter to trigger a trade.

Yet when I enter a trade manually with the same set A - which loaded SL and TP when it fired by itself, the SL & TP do not load!

I tested all 7 sets of settings - each with the original set plus one more entry filter - manually. All behaved the same way - SL & TP do not load when the trade is entered.
  • #704
  • Apr 21, 2012 7:03pm Apr 21, 2012 7:03pm
Quoting Jd88
Yep - familiar with the lot size ratios. The issue is elsewhere, I believe.

Here's an interesting behavior. A coding issue maybe?

When the EA enters a trade on its own, using the settings in attachment set "A", SL and TP automatically load.

Once I saw that set A worked well automatically, I left the trade management settings alone - and simply added a new trade entry filter - creating up to 6 sets of settings - all with the same trade mngt settings and with each one having an additional entry filter. I did this because I needed more than...
Look at your Log file, it should tell you what the EA is trying to send as a TP and SL and that should show you what is going on. If the numbers being sent to the Broker are what you think they should be and you get zero in the trade window, then you are probably getting 130 errors from your Broker.
  • #705
  • Apr 22, 2012 10:43am Apr 22, 2012 10:43am
Since this is my forum I can post what I want without it being removed so thought I should bring this to your attention as the issue has come up on another forum where I was doing some codeing of a EA for "FREE", spending many hours doing it when I could have spent that time with my family. I suggest everyone go back and read the first page as it states I will not supply the code for any EA I am doing. So if anyone wants anything added to any EA I am working on and feel their idea is unique and no one else in the World is doing it that way they better not ask me to put it into the EA. As a problem has come up on a different forum I have stopped working on 2 other EAs on those 2 forums, the ichimoku BO EA and the Pivot EA. It seems unimak feels he is the sole conceiver of these ideas and since I will not give him the code he does not want me to do any more work on them. So if any of you have a problem because I am not posting the code please say so now, as many of you have contributed great ideas to the etb EA and I don't want you to feel you are being "Short Changed".

So for now I am putting everything on hold and may just leave all together, as I will still continue to write EAs for myself and my own trading.

Here is the PM from unimak:


From unimak:
since i am the conceiver of these trading ideas , what you are saying is totally unfair, I should get a copy of the mql file of my trading ideas, it is another story if you don't want to share it in the forum. However the very purpose of me sharing the ideas is with an intention for welfare of the community of which we both belong and in its betterment lies our betterment.


My answer:

If you had read my disclaimer on the etb forum where you found me before you asked me to code this you would have seen that I do not share the code as I feel it is my intellectual property. If you had hired me to write the code than it would be another story, than you would have the rights to everything. If you would rather stop at this point and find another coder, which there are plenty of, I will understand. Since we have only just touched the surface of your trading idea this may be a good time to stop before you disclose all your ideas. Trading the Pivots is not a unique trade idea as it has been done by many, including the pros for years so I don't see where you are the conceiver of these trading ideas.

So for now I will put the EA on hold in its developement.
  • #706
  • Apr 22, 2012 3:18pm Apr 22, 2012 3:18pm
You have been the perfect gentleman on this thread.
Your thread, your rules.
Thank You for what you have done.
FW
  • #707
  • Apr 22, 2012 6:46pm Apr 22, 2012 6:46pm
Hi Seller, I don't get you. You don't mind taking someone else's strategy for your own. So you have never looked at someone else code for your own EA. Also, I fear you have found a very profitable strategy when working on this EA and you are not sharing that strat with this community. You don't mind everyone testing your EAs and finding all the bugs for you. Are you afraid someone is going to take your EA and sell it on Ebay? What is the deal?

I didn't realize this was my EA as I thought it was ideas from everyone else, so I guess I have taken someone else's strategy. I didn't realize I was doing that, I thought I was creating something useful for all traders.
As far as finding the bugs, I spend many hours forward testing both Demo and Live before posting so everyone else does not have problems.
As far as finding a profitable EA, I sure wouldn't be here if I had, as I would be off on some island enjoying my new found wealth.

It seems to me other people want the code so they can strip it down and sell it on Ebay, why else do they want the code. When you go to Best Buy and buy software does it come with the original code, I think not, and this is "FREE" to everyone, the exact same version I am using, I hold nothing back. Forex is a big market and I don't think I need all the Trillions myself, I will share it. Many heads working together can reach that goal faster.

If anyone feels they have been taken advantage of and there deep dark trade ideas have been taken from them, please let me know and I will remove your ideas from the EA and I will even send you the mql code for that portion of the EA.

With all the requests I get to write EAs I have never even thought of requesting any form of payment in return, only that I do not release the code which I believe is my property and I do not want it to end up on Ebay for sale, I would rather have it released "FREE OF CHARGE" to all traders. Besides if you do want the code all you have to do is decompile it anyway.

Maybe its time to get out of this rat race and "TAKE" everyones great ideas and make some money for myself, as I guess I never had a good idea myself, after all to write the code and write the logic to make these ideas work is a piece of cake, but then again I have everyone to find all my mistakes.

Maybe its time to hang it up and go back to trading more for myself and stop taking advantage of all the real traders and stealing their ideas.
  • #708
  • Apr 22, 2012 7:23pm Apr 22, 2012 7:23pm
Seller,
It's funny after all you have done that people think you owe them something.
All you have to do is take any EA in question and rename it, add your take, and start a new thread. You sound like a very honest person so don't let the cry baby's bother you.
  • #709
  • Apr 22, 2012 9:44pm Apr 22, 2012 9:44pm
Quoting seller9
Since this is my forum I can post what I want without it being removed so thought I should bring this to your attention as the issue has come up on another forum where I was doing some codeing of a EA for "FREE", spending many hours doing it when I could have spent that time with my family. I suggest everyone go back and read the first page as it states I will not supply the code for any EA I am doing. So if anyone wants anything added to any EA I am working on and feel their idea is unique and no one else in the World is doing it that way they...
OK so that means all my strat ideas that i have i suggested to you and my bug reportings and as you know i sent a lot via posts and PM's that would practically mean that i own the EA and you altogether ?... LMAO ...seriously

heres a post i made last fall replying to one asking for the MQL file #1337

Quote
keep it the way it is i mean the ex4 format also add the copyright, it would be a good idea IMO

we can modify or share our set files that are money makers within the community which we are already doiing and we are all after in getting more pips with less risk

basically DO NOT SHARE THE CODE OR MQL4 FILE with anyone.

Honestly your doiing us a great service and helping others and im sure lots of people appreciates it, your doiing more than enough, i fully support you and your work and i try my best to help, Our goal is to make some freaking PIPS lol

"Help Yourself by Helping others Succeed"
Don't forget Practice + Patience + Persistence = Profits
  • #710
  • Apr 23, 2012 1:02am Apr 23, 2012 1:02am
During my first read through this thread a couple of weeks ago, I was at once thoroughly impressed with the quality and quantity of your effort. I could see the in depth exchanges and your giving of your time - not only in the development of this EA - but in your providing ongoing assistance to those who were seeking to benefit from your efforts.

Your approach is clear and your motives are of value to those of is who use this thread.

Any position to the contrary appears at least at face-value, almost bizarre - and certainly somewhat self-absorbed and immature.

I give feedback (and seek help) willingly and gratefully - and trust others do the same.

Your efforts (and those of the other key contributors here - e.g., maxzeus, tex_pn and others) are greatly appreciated, your rules for use and participation are properly uncontested and essential.

I hope you continue to lead here as your choosing to leave would create a great void. All in my humble, opinion as a newcomer - who respects and appreciates the value you bring..

Again, this is just my opinion. You know best.
  • #711
  • Apr 23, 2012 1:43am Apr 23, 2012 1:43am
Quoting Jd88

Any position to the contrary appears at least at face-value, almost bizarre - and certainly somewhat self-absorbed and immature.
+1 on that
  • #712
  • Edited 6:48am Apr 23, 2012 6:01am | Edited 6:48am
Quoting seller9
Look at your Log file, it should tell you what the EA is trying to send as a TP and SL and that should show you what is going on. If the numbers being sent to the Broker are what you think they should be and you get zero in the trade window, then you are probably getting 130 errors from your Broker.http://www.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/quote.gif

And retested again today - when I place the trade manually, no Sl or TP appears anywhere. When the EA fires on its own, SL and TP get placed and appear.

Baffled.
  • #713
  • Edited 2:00pm Apr 23, 2012 10:14am | Edited 2:00pm
JD.. I don't think this EA is a trade manager. It will probably ask you if you would like to manage the trade but i don't think it will do that.
Some of the code of the managing side of the EA comes from Steven Hopwood's trade manager and probably this is why this EA will ask you to manage the open trades...

And one more thing....When i asked Steve if his manager will place stops that can be visually checked, he told me that it will not because :
at the time of manager's creation he didn't know how to visually represent those stops and a visually represented stop is a stop placed at the broker's server and because of that it can be manipulated. That's why you will find even in this EA some option to hide stops from your broker.
  • #714
  • Apr 23, 2012 12:13pm Apr 23, 2012 12:13pm
Your comment was interesting. And it would explain this issue for sure. So I guess I'll move on to testing the entry screens.

I am finding that what I see on the price chart (I added my TDI indicators - TDI, Price action channel, Heiken Ashi, 89 EMA, S&R, etc)) does not always seem to line up with the approval / disapproval of the entry filters I select. It's not black and white - which, if it was, would make it easier for me. But I will keep testing, which I can only do after my live manual trading is completed each day.

So while I'm here posting, have you had much luck with this EA? How long have you been testing it? Are you live yet or demo only? Any other opinions for me as I proceed?
Thanks again.
  • #715
  • Apr 23, 2012 1:05pm Apr 23, 2012 1:05pm
Quoting seller9
Hi Seller, I don't get you. You don't mind taking someone else's strategy for your own. So you have never looked at someone else code for your own EA. Also, I fear you have found a very profitable strategy when working on this EA and you are not sharing that strat with this community. You don't mind everyone testing your EAs and finding all the bugs for you. Are you afraid someone is going to take your EA and sell it on Ebay? What is the deal?
heres my reply to show another Perspective or POV

Quote
Hi, You don't mind taking someone else's EA for your own. So you have never looked at someone else strategy for your own Ideas ? Also, I fear you have found a very profitable EA when working on this Strategy and you get upset because the coder is not sharing the EA 's code with the community ? You don't mind everyone testing your Strats and finding some optimisations for you.What is the deal and your real intentions
Don't forget Practice + Patience + Persistence = Profits
  • #716
  • Apr 23, 2012 2:09pm Apr 23, 2012 2:09pm
I'm on demo since 4th of january and live since 1st of april. What seemed to work in january, february and even march wasn't so good in april. Very few big enough movements this month....
I tweaked a little some of the settings, to better protect the little profit that could be made but nothing too important.

A.. i'm trading only eur/usd...
  • #717
  • Apr 24, 2012 12:41am Apr 24, 2012 12:41am
I'll let you know if I make any progress of significance that could be of value.

Hope you have a good week.
  • #718
  • Apr 24, 2012 1:48am Apr 24, 2012 1:48am
JD.. could you post your filters/entry rules? I would like to demotest them as well.

Thx
  • #719
  • Apr 24, 2012 5:51am Apr 24, 2012 5:51am
Quoting tex_pn
JD.. could you post your filters/entry rules? I would like to demotest them as well.

Thx
Sure. Probably helpful though if I distinguish my manual trading from the EA test:

Manually (for long trade)

1. Fairly strict application of TDI Rules
2. PAC above 89 EMA
3. Candle close on or above PAC
4. TDI Price above Signal above Market and preferably, above 50
5. Adequate ATR
6. Proper Parabolic SAR
7. All read according to price action (on higher time frames as well as current) , Support and resistance (on higher time frames) and Pivots (the most important yet difficult to master).

I am also trying to enhance my approach with tests of a few other select items.

In its current form, the EA is not capable of doing all of this. I asked Seller to build in the TDI crosses relative to the Market and 50 lines - this is critical. And asked for a SAR and Support & Resistance and Pivots application as well. He said he would try to include in the TDI related changes and the SAR in the next release.

But for now, I am coming as close as I can - and am testing groups of increasingly "complex" models of the entry filters.

So...
Group 1: TDI Cross, TDI Slope, 2 MA cross
Group 2: The above PLUS M5 ATR
Group 3: The above PLUS Candle Close 5 EMA
Group 4: The above PLUS M5 LWMA cross 5EMA
Group 5: The above PLUS M5 CCI cross 100

I have found a variety of other indicators to be too sloppy / non-specific - e.g., ADX, STOCH, Ichimoku (though I may give the S & R aspect of this a try)

The key of course is to not screen so much that a trade is never entered, yet select the correct combo. The simpler the better as we all know.
(But this requires, I believe, greater reliance on reading price action, Support & Resistance, etc.)

I have experimented manually with much of this long before I encountered this thread - and loads more. That is how I arrived at the manual method I now use.

But with any EA I have experimented, I found that the use of higher time frame confirmations, Elder's Triple Screen Approach, Pivots and Support and Resistance (and the ability to "read " price action) will ultimately determine success or failure - and because the EA's I tried ignored all of this - they took ridiculous trades and ultimately blew up.

I hope that Seller9 will be able to use his "coding genius" to incorporate these key elements. If so, I believe we may be big winners.

Hope this helps - if not feel free to PM me.
  • #720
  • Apr 25, 2012 9:52am Apr 25, 2012 9:52am
As we both know, stops / exits are key.

I briefly tested various combinations of candle color change, candle closes, etc. - but no indicator-based exits - and most seem to let the trade linger at a loss too long (as indicator based exits tend to do in my experience as well).

Therefore I have now loaded what I use manually - a specific SL, TP, and BE / profit protection. Trail testing will be next.

It's really too bad we cannot simply enter the trade manually to evaluate the stops - that would really speed things up.

(And here BTW - Seller9 fyi - - I learned that a trail or BE profit protection - not sure yet which one - will work automatically, that is load and fire on a manually placed trade - but the SL and TP will not work - they don't appear on the server and they do not fire. I wonder if Seller9 is aware of this - and if he can fix it - once he determines why one works and why one does not.)

Unless of course I continue to do something wrong in the application of the EA -= which is absolutely possible.

And of course, all of this has not been going on for very long - so time will tell - hopefully.

Good luck.
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