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  • #261
  • Apr 21, 2012 3:47am Apr 21, 2012 3:47am
Godin,I have posted the definitions of Gann referring to the Law of Vibrations not to "bla bla" on the forum but to understand clearly what was the point of view of Gann related to a concept which he introduced in the technical analysis,and I am also convinced that there are many who cannot clearly define what is a point of force and how it can be determined mathematically.I think that it is necessary every once in a while that we go back to the fundamental texts of Gann if we wish to know his works precisely.Related to your question,practically you are asking me if I agree with the basic laws of physics,thus the question is a rhetorical one.
  • #262
  • Apr 21, 2012 3:50am Apr 21, 2012 3:50am
Quoting godim
Sorry to say it. Guys, you are responsible only blah-blah. Give it a comprehensive law of vibration. I hope finally a series of posts dedicated price vibration to have the definition given by Gann. I'm sure you know the definition.
Now I ask you: do you agree with the definition of vibration of the price written below?

"Vibration is a phenomenon whereby oscillations the price occur about an equilibrium point. The oscillations may be periodic or random."
I do not believe random. Random is a fiction, just like freedom. It is an idea that exists in the mind only.

"Vibration is a measurable phenomenon whereby oscillations of price occur about an equilibrium point or points. The oscillations are periodic and are subject to multiple periods."
  • #263
  • Apr 21, 2012 4:01am Apr 21, 2012 4:01am
All right. The question now is only one vibration has there price? Clearly, there are other points of oscillation. And we can build by the rules of Gann and another fan.
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  • #264
  • Apr 21, 2012 4:30am Apr 21, 2012 4:30am
Quoting matei
Godin,I have posted the definitions of Gann referring to the Law of Vibrations not to "bla bla" on the forum but to understand clearly what was the point of view of Gann related to a concept which he introduced in the technical analysis,and I am also convinced that there are many who cannot clearly define what is a point of force and how it can be determined mathematically.I think that it is necessary every once in a while that we go back to the fundamental texts of Gann if we wish to know his works precisely.Related to your question,practically...
Matei, nothing personal. Just Gann spoke and wrote very veiled. I understand difficult English. I read several times quotes.

And I found only this:
"After exhaustive researches and investigations of the known sciences, I discovered that the law of vibration enabled me to accurately determine the exact points at which stocks or commodities should rise and fall within a given time."
"By knowing the exact vibration of each individual stock I am able to determine at what point each will receive support and at what point the greatest resistance is to be met."
"After years of patient study I have proven to my entire satisfaction, as well as demonstrated to others, that vibration explains every possible phase and condition of the market."
There is no definition.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #265
  • Apr 21, 2012 4:48am Apr 21, 2012 4:48am
Quoting Swamp Yankee
I do not believe random. Random is a fiction, just like freedom. It is an idea that exists in the mind only.

"Vibration is a measurable phenomenon whereby oscillations of price occur about an equilibrium point or points. The oscillations are periodic and are subject to multiple periods."
I'm not sure if they multiply so much can they finally determined. But well I can accept the amendment.
I know that all we'd like oscillations are even harmonics, but the reality is different.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #266
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:03am Apr 21, 2012 5:03am
This is not my work. I archived it because, I worried it would disappear from view. Sure enough the forum it was posted to is now gone, perhaps never to return.

http://www.myfreakin.com/archives/16

Good Trading!

SY
  • #267
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:18am Apr 21, 2012 5:18am
Godim,I agree that Gann had an elliptic mean of presenting things,sometimes difficult to understand even for those who know english very well.In many passages of his works, Gann uses a metalanguage and understanding or decrypting it requires solid mathematical,physics,astrology,numerology,sacred geometry knowledge.About the quoted parts which you have underlined, as I have said in my previous post,they are Gann's perspective related to the law of vibration. If we read them carefully we will find important keys. For example Gann said that:
a)Each financial instrument has its own vibration.
b) Knowing specific vibration of a financial instrument help us determine in which point they will find support or resistance.
c)Knowing the vibration allows us to understand the structure of the market,in which phase it is found and in which phase the market is in.
I underline,not in the strict meaning of the definition but in the definition of the concept of vibration.
Obviously this is only my point of view,and each can approach things in his own way.
  • #268
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:36am Apr 21, 2012 5:36am
Because these vibrations, we assume that part of the EW theory, we can expect the influence of more distant (in time) points of the oscillation. For example, in eur/usd 1.6036 top fan. Constructing geometric angles is easy, interpreting them is a little harder but not impossible. It is my view on the issue of PVS (Price Vibration System). Finish step one again. You can continue with the selection of TF. Then swing charts (these questions have already passed them). Can I continue on with the next question from step two?
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #269
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:46am Apr 21, 2012 5:46am
Quoting matei
Godim,I agree that Gann had an elliptic mean of presenting things,sometimes difficult to understand even for those who know english very well.In many passages of his works, Gann uses a metalanguage and understanding or decrypting it requires solid mathematical,physics,astrology,numerology,sacred geometry knowledge.About the quoted parts which you have underlined, as I have said in my previous post,they are Gann's perspective related to the law of vibration. If we read them carefully we will find important keys. For example Gann said that:
a)Each...
Well, Matei. How you interpret this sentence:
a) Each financial instrument has its own vibration.
What do you think is the vibration of the instrument eur/usd, for example?
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #270
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:49am Apr 21, 2012 5:49am
Nirestein said:-To measure its frequency of oscillation or vibratory rate which never changes (going from High to Low). The result is just to get a matematical number from any chart.
To get a chart Pitched(slope) True- so that a 45 degree angle is really 45 degree.
Go to historical chart, take the highest price point, subtract price of Snap- Back to Declining Tops line.
Take the number of Trading Days from High point to Snap-Back point.
Getting arihmetic of 1 x 2 line= (p1-p2)/trading days
ex400-300)/200=100/200=.5 units per day.
So the 1x2 angle has a value of .5 units per day- Doubling it will give you the 1x1, which is 1 price unit per day.
This is the way you scale price units on chart.
"rising above the 1x2 angle puts commodities in a strong position where strong rallies should ensue"-W.D.Gann
Once you have a True Pitched chart-find price Symmetry above and below the Nodal Line.Using a compass, swing High and Low symmetrically around the X axis (price). This will NOT work on a Non-Piched True chart.
Breaking one angle takes you down to the next angle-this is where you expect to find support.Does Not mean there will be a Change of Trend, but just Support.
1x2 angle: once you break it, you will return to the Base therefore, the 1x2 angle is called the "Death Angle"
  • #271
  • Apr 21, 2012 5:58am Apr 21, 2012 5:58am
Hi,

I had hoped that all those interested in the application of Moneydeeps gann S/R lines, would have continued with the premise that we now find a mathematical way of locating the turning points in relation to time.
However it is obvious that certain elements have decided to ignore this aspect and push their own ideas and the usual mass of stuff that can be found on numerous websites and forums.
So, as far as I am concerned this thread is no longer of interest, I shall continue to search for a mathematical solution to time.

Allonso
  • #272
  • Apr 21, 2012 6:03am Apr 21, 2012 6:03am
Alonso,
You're right sorry if the discussion has deviated. Successful in your effort.
  • #273
  • Apr 21, 2012 6:11am Apr 21, 2012 6:11am
Quoting matei
Nirestein said:-To measure its frequency of oscillation or vibratory rate which never changes (going from High to Low). The result is just to get a matematical number from any chart.
To get a chart Pitched(slope) True- so that a 45 degree angle is really 45 degree.
Go to historical chart, take the highest price point, subtract price of Snap- Back to Declining Tops line.
Take the number of Trading Days from High point to Snap-Back point.
Getting arihmetic of 1 x 2 line= (p1-p2)/trading days
ex400-300)/200=100/200=.5 units per day.
So the 1x2 angle...
Two, three, even four questions are addressed in this post. If they are disjoint, can be easier to discuss.
First. I accept that the vibration is measured by pips/day. This for me is the price factor over time. Some of the questions from step two. It is necessary for proper construction of the fans.
Second. Described is the rule for all angles.
And third and fourth. I think you and I have no fundamental differences here.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #274
  • Apr 21, 2012 6:28am Apr 21, 2012 6:28am
Quoting allonso
Hi,

I had hoped that all those interested in the application of Moneydeeps gann S/R lines, would have continued with the premise that we now find a mathematical way of locating the turning points in relation to time.
However it is obvious that certain elements have decided to ignore this aspect and push their own ideas and the usual mass of stuff that can be found on numerous websites and forums.
So, as far as I am concerned this thread is no longer of interest, I shall continue to search for a mathematical solution to time....
Allonso, the fact that the lines are horizontal as time off as a factor. Levels remain such until the end of the world. I think everyone will become rich in knowledge that can make money. But how do you explain that Gann Grid, that drawing is wrong. It's easier for me to show you how to build properly. Step by step.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #275
  • Apr 21, 2012 6:48am Apr 21, 2012 6:48am
The next question I want to discuss is "what are the angles in a Gann fan in MT4"
MetaQuotes provide the following information on page MT4.
http://ta.mql4.com/linestudies/gann_fan

I immediately tell you that this is not true.
We will continue shortly with how Gann is plotted the fans.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #276
  • Apr 21, 2012 7:52am Apr 21, 2012 7:52am
Gann angles is plotted in the coordinates of two points. One point is the top / bottom of the swing chart. The second point has coordinates (1, 1) or (1, 2) and so on.

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Meaningless disputes are what the exact values ​​of angles. They can consider the function atan ().

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  • #277
  • Apr 21, 2012 8:04am Apr 21, 2012 8:04am
I genuinely hope people can pay a little bit attention to their reading. Regarding Gann angles or Gann Fan, it's all been very clearly explained in materials in a few simple sentences of a very clear example, within a book of about 99 pages including all the padding and appendix. The attached chart shows two sets of Gann angle lines: red and yellow. The red ones are drawn based on some of the discussion here that one has to take two low points A&B(one original one snap back) and calculate the time inbetween. The yellow ones are calculated from one single point only, ie point A. You can see they're nearly identical. But which one can be identified much earlier, it's up to you to judge.

Allonso, I don't think you should be disappointed. What they're saying is all very helpful if you have no previous knowledge on the Gann subject. And what's all the fuss about finding a turning point in time? What about a turning point in price? Do you think it's easier to set an order on your platform with a price to go long or short or easier to phone your broker and tell them to enter on your behalf once the clock hits 1430? I am not aware of any platform that can allow one to preset entry order by time only. Gann might seem all mysterious touting about time, and it plays with our psyche that the more mysterious it is the better or more fascinating it must be. Price is time, and time is also price, if one likes to quote Gann. Forget about all the philosophical issues about time, for trading purpose only, I will take price anyday and anytime.
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  • #278
  • Apr 21, 2012 8:16am Apr 21, 2012 8:16am
But this is not the problem with MT4. There are very different angles. This can be understood only if you work very precisely and have calculations with a calculator. For now, take it on trust. Later you will be able to see for yourself.
1. [90 - (45/8)] = 84.375
2. [90 - (45/4)] = 78.750
3. [90 - (45/3)] = 75.000
4. [90 - (45/2)] = 67.500
5. 45 = 45.000
6. 45/2 = 22.500
7. 45/3 = 15.000
8. 45/4 = 11.250
9. 45/8 = 5.625
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #279
  • Apr 21, 2012 8:49am Apr 21, 2012 8:49am
If we calculate tan() of these angles will receive and their coefficients. They differ from those used by Gann. Now occur the following problem. If you want to work with right angles of Gann, we must render the whole fan angle after angle. That means nine angles with different coefficients. And each of them can be curved in its own direction. I prefer to work with the fan of MT4, and add two lines of Gann for 2x1 and 1x2. The angles are 11.
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  • #280
  • Apr 21, 2012 9:08am Apr 21, 2012 9:08am
For those who read Russian. This is a link to an article in three parts describing the technique to using Fan of Fibonacci to build a fan of Gann.

http://avladfx.livejournal.com/8418.html
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
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