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  • #221
  • Apr 19, 2012 1:36am Apr 19, 2012 1:36am
This thread is currently going through phase 3,5,6, and 7.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=347075
  • #222
  • Apr 19, 2012 2:12am Apr 19, 2012 2:12am
This thread looked interesting at the beginning when the whole astrology/planetary cycles thing could be overlooked...

I mean... calculus is brilliant yet Newton was a practitioner of alchemy...

So if we have the benefit of hindsight, knowing that there is mathematical significance to the levels that are predicted, whilst also knowing that financial astrology and astronomy is a load of wank, why are you guys adding it back?

I think you scared the OP away.
  • #223
  • Apr 19, 2012 8:03am Apr 19, 2012 8:03am
Quoting saussiche
This thread looked interesting at the beginning when the whole astrology/planetary cycles thing could be overlooked...

I mean... calculus is brilliant yet Newton was a practitioner of alchemy...

So if we have the benefit of hindsight, knowing that there is mathematical significance to the levels that are predicted, whilst also knowing that financial astrology and astronomy is a load of wank, why are you guys adding it back?

I think you scared the OP away.

We are using astronomy to measure time, because that is what we do on planet earth. Maybe you forgot about that. Remember, one day is one revolution of earth, takes 24 hours, 12 hours in a day, 12 in a night etc.

Nobody here is using astrology.
Astrology has to do with horoscopes and "feelings", astronomy with orbits and positions of planets.
One is scientific the other is considered and art.

Since there is nothing in the universe but science, we are using the scientific one but just to measure time, like mankind has done for many centuries now.

Everything in the universe comes to an order, including the financial markets. That is what we are trying to profit from.
  • #224
  • Apr 19, 2012 9:04am Apr 19, 2012 9:04am
Hello friends! Most of you know that I read and write in English using Google translator. So please excuse me if something you can not understand.
For me the topic is interesting and I would like to participate in the discussion. I have not read all of beginnings. But to me it seems that there is no ultimate goal of everything written.
Once the name of the thread is Gann PVS (Price vibration System) Trading You have to, we discuss the elements of a trading system. Does anyone know what should have these items? When we determined they will be able to begin to describe them to OUR TS.

Here's what he wrote in his book, James A. Hyerczyk
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  • #225
  • Apr 19, 2012 9:10am Apr 19, 2012 9:10am
I doubt that anybody has been scared away.

Certainly cycles exist in the markets. The question is, How do you explain them? So if we can gain some insight or better yet a trading edge by using GANN or some other technique, this is good.

I find this whole topic extremely interesting. Especially the GANN lines. I have been carefully considering the Square that the 1x1 line so elegantly represents. Very fascinating indeed when looking at historical price data.

Thank you ILP
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  • #226
  • Apr 19, 2012 10:35am Apr 19, 2012 10:35am
Quoting godim
Hello friends! Most of you know that I read and write in English using Google translator. So please excuse me if something you can not understand.
For me the topic is interesting and I would like to participate in the discussion. I have not read all of beginnings. But to me it seems that there is no ultimate goal of everything written.
Once the name of the thread is Gann PVS (Price vibration System) Trading You have to, we discuss the elements of a trading system. Does anyone know what should have these items? When we determined they will be able...
Exactly right Godim.
A trend following system based upon Gann angle lines.
We don't have to know where the trend turns, just that it has turned.

Phase II of this project could be some dashboard to indicate trend strength also based upon the same principles.
Again, you don't really need it but it can give a trader some confidence.
  • #227
  • Apr 19, 2012 12:17pm Apr 19, 2012 12:17pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Exactly right Godim.
A trend following system based upon Gann angle lines.
We don't have to know where the trend turns, just that it has turned.

Phase II of this project could be some dashboard to indicate trend strength also based upon the same principles.
Again, you don't really need it but it can give a trader some confidence.
Yes. That was the easy part. All clear "A trend following system based upon Gann angle lines".
Now I'll just mark the next two steps.

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Good! These are two subjects that can be discussed. The question that I think is very important is what Time Frame to use?
Share your proposals and arguments why.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #228
  • Apr 19, 2012 9:07pm Apr 19, 2012 9:07pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
If I line up the Gann lines with the Brooky indi I get a small deviation in angle.
We need to align the grid to the cycle.
The cycle I am mentioning is Gann's earth rotation cycle. That is what the Gann lines represent.
Also, if the Gann lines could be added, that would be great.
Hi Ilovepippin first of all thank you for your teaching and I might sound ignorant but how you get this white angled lines from bottom point? Is it indicator or you manually draws it?

Thank you in advance.
  • #229
  • Apr 20, 2012 1:10am Apr 20, 2012 1:10am
I see some haste. They ask if it can, the money has already to come into balance. I think we have to go all the way step by step. Why do you try to skip the question I asked? I think the question is paramount. Imagine. Open a new chart of pair aud/usd. At what Time Frame? After short will give my opinion.
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  • #230
  • Apr 20, 2012 2:46am Apr 20, 2012 2:46am
My opinion is that we should use this Time frame in which there is no break in time. What do I mean? Forex is a market that works 5 days 24 hours. Gann has worked in the stock market. And she has not worked 24 hours, right? Gann has been featured daily chart. So I suggest basic graphics of our trading system to be daily chart. There will be continued.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #231
  • Apr 20, 2012 3:14am Apr 20, 2012 3:14am
This is a graph of Gann.
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Let's look more odd.
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We see the main divisions of time in four divisions. Below we see the working days of exchange corresponding to these divisions. The graph has a 6-day workweek. And are just days that exchange worked. There will be continued.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #232
  • Apr 20, 2012 3:47am Apr 20, 2012 3:47am
Quoting godim
I see some haste. They ask if it can, the money has already to come into balance. I think we have to go all the way step by step. Why do you try to skip the question I asked? I think the question is paramount. Imagine. Open a new chart of pair aud/usd. At what Time Frame? After short will give my opinion.
looking at D1 has its merits but looking for turns, M15, M5 may be needed. stop loss associated with bigger framer moves will be at levels different from those short term. the issue most people have is to identify when it turns or when it is going to hit the target. prices can overrun and overshoot esp. with the pump and dump activity. In any case, i believe there is no absolute certainty, it is question of raising confidence level and not looking for perfect system.

i have used the fibo fann lines and before and at times, prices will hit and sometimes will serve to become resistance. in fact, i looked this for quite a while and noticed certain behvior and it is hard to explain.

whether it is with gann, fibo, etc, it boils down to setting price and hitting the button when it matters, if we set a few targets, how would you place your sell price, it means we have to buy a few contracts or buy 1 contract and break the sell size at different levels.

certain divergence pattern works, but you have to be there watching to catch it.

What is the problem with big picture trading? I think will miss a lot of activites in between. When prices are sideways or ranging, and then it trends, the behaviors are different.
  • #233
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:01am Apr 20, 2012 4:01am
From the above writings derive a few things.
First. There are suppliers of quotations, which give details of the sixth bar a week. These graphics may NOT be used for our trading system. Data must be manipulated manually.
Second. We can calculate the number of bars for each Time frame so that there is no break in time. For example, H4. Bars for a week = 5 days x 6 bars / day = 30 bars per week. For H1. Bars for a week = 5 days x 24 bars / day = 120 bars a week. Count bars for a week that you receive from your suppliers and determine which is the smallest Time frame without interruption in time. There will be continued.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #234
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:14am Apr 20, 2012 4:14am
Quoting makefortune
looking at D1 has its merits but looking for turns, M15, M5 may be needed. stop loss associated with bigger framer moves will be at levels different from those short term. the issue most people have is to identify when it turns or when it is going to hit the target. prices can overrun and overshoot esp. with the pump and dump activity. In any case, i believe there is no absolute certainty, it is question of raising confidence level and not looking for perfect system.

i have used the fibo fann lines and before and at times, prices will hit and...
I think you are in a hurry again. Let us know at what Time frame may draw fans of Gann. Many of you want to draw on the M15 and M5. I'm not saying he could not. However, be aware that things break on Friday and begin again on Monday. Depends on our supplier.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #235
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:20am Apr 20, 2012 4:20am
Quoting altoronto
Hi Ilovepippin first of all thank you for your teaching and I might sound ignorant but how you get this white angled lines from bottom point? Is it indicator or you manually draws it?

Thank you in advance.
They are manually drawn GANN lines.
Thanks for all the fish
  • #236
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:31am Apr 20, 2012 4:31am
Quoting godim
I think you are in a hurry again. Let us know at what Time frame may draw fans of Gann. Many of you want to draw on the M15 and M5. I'm not saying he could not. However, be aware that things break on Friday and begin again on Monday. Depends on our supplier.

i am not using gann lines, i used to do that in stocks. now drawing gann lines in hourly and daily. not M5, 15. I am saying the stop loss depends on the time frame for trading.
  • #237
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:49am Apr 20, 2012 4:49am
I live in a country with a time zone GMT +2, now with DST - GMT +3. Here's how to run my day sessions.

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My provider, however, closes one hour before the end of U.S. session on Friday. Thus the H1 for the week I have only 119 bars. Ie I have a break in the time and I can build a Gann Fan to H4.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #238
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:58am Apr 20, 2012 4:58am
Quoting makefortune
i am not using gann lines, i used to do that in stocks. now drawing gann lines in hourly and daily. not M5, 15. I am saying the stop loss depends on the time frame for trading.
I very well understand what you write. But you do not want to know. We can hardly begin discussing the second step. A determination of the stops are right in the third, right? I want to move step by step. I will not jump over. Everything will fall into its place, finally, I hope.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #239
  • Apr 20, 2012 5:32am Apr 20, 2012 5:32am
So. These are my arguments basic graphic of our trading system to be a daily chart. I will be happy to hear your opinion. I apologize to makefortune if I had been more acute. Just I do not accept the arguments about the size of the stop.
"You have to BE before you can DO, and DO before you can HAVE." Zig Ziglar
  • #240
  • Apr 20, 2012 5:58am Apr 20, 2012 5:58am
Would it negate the value of the Gann angle lines if we assume a constant flow of price time? This would certainly fix any differences in feeds etc.

But this would create lines that shift with every break in trading on our charts.

I'll defer to ILP on this point. we don't want to over complicate a working system.

Concerning time frames, The choice of time frames would seem to have more of an impact on the divergent oscillator used for confirmation than the angle lines. The angle lines should be very consistent across all time frames. So perhaps we should use a higher time frame to confirm trend change and then switch to a lower time frame to trigger an entry off of an angle line.
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