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  • #2,161
  • Apr 5, 2012 10:33pm Apr 5, 2012 10:33pm
Quoting calstar
Excuse me FXH I am not a troll and have been a member much longer than you. My question is why would you ban a person who posted charts of the trades. Is it that she caught 180 pips while you got 63 on the same trade?

How is it spamming if she asks for settings or help with such? I know you preach learning your technique so that you can do it by sight and not count on a just an indicator. So if that is the case, why is it that you were actively involved in trying to create a robot for this method? Darvas created and calculated his boxes using...
~I didn't ban Forexmom, the Factory did. I had nothing to do with it.

~You really believe they caught 186p on that trade? That's fine. I've got a nice bridge for sale, interested?

~I don't know if it was really a woman or not, so I won't call them a "her" as you did. But I called Forexmom a spammer based on the fact that they were banned by FF after just 3 posts. And just coincidentally I'm sure, all 3 were posted in this thread. And in all 3 Forexmom was asking basic questions already answered in the thread. Proving to me that they were simply spamming the thread, not really offering anything of substance, and just trying to waste my time. Like how you are doing right now, Calstar.

~You do not need vouchers in order to ban people from a thread you have started. As OP this privilege is automatic.

~I never said that *I* programmed anything. I said that I had paid a competent programmer to do it for me, based on original ideas of mine.

~I didn't start a system thread that offered an indicator. I started a thread about locating CZ's by naked trading methods only. The Squalou indicator came after the thread was started. So excuse me when I say that your statement that about "oweing" anything regarding the indicator makes no sense.

~The people I browbeat, as you put it, are generally too lazy to study the system on their own, and I don't think it's fair for them to behave that way when there are so many other hard working members that have.

~My trading stats are private and I see no reason for that to change.

~If you're so smart and have so many great ideas, I sure hope I get a chance to see you start a system thread. Maybe after you've gotten spammed 100 times too you'll have a different outlook on those who bother to try and help others and ask nothing in return except the most basic levels of respect and conformity.
To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #2,162
  • Apr 5, 2012 10:40pm Apr 5, 2012 10:40pm
So if its naked trading why the indicators?


I dont know if he/she got 186 pips. From the chart it looks possible. That's why I was hoping I could find out what type of trailing stop that was, or how the candles managed to stay bearish the whole time. If anyone has knowledge in regards to what indicators those are from the posted charts they look to be useful. I have tried all day to recreate that chart.

For the candles I used:
Randy Candles. Grab Candles, MoDha bars

For the stop I used:
TRO volatility stop, BAT trailing, Lab trend, ASC trend and the BB band stop.

As for naked trading it again has its place. Experience comes with time. Some traders need help to put in the time to get the experience. The markets can be brutal and many walk away from their dream discouraged and broken hearted because of it. If it makes it easier, builds confidense and helps why hate on it.....

Teachers go to colledge for years to teach. It's at times a thankless job. Their reward comes not from knowing that their students are working as hard as they did to learn the methods, but knowing that the information they share, the way they share it, and the help they give is setting the foundation for success.

You are the teacher its your method you assign,correct, grade and explain the tests. If you want a legacy like Bill Williams or Darvas or John Bollinger it shouldn't matter to you how your students get there just that they get there and can maintain success. People learn in different ways, some sit by idle and silent others cant stop talking, some grasp thru reading others thru pictures. You said that those coming into the thread need to do the work. I almost never post, but have been a member for 2 years. I have also been reading this thread from day 1. Did you know that, or did you assume I just came in and skipped to the last page?

The indicator was produced under your direction, specs and approval for use. To shun its use or assume someone hadn't done the work previous is not in my view constructive or fair. If you want people to do the work first and not use the indicator then remove it from the downloads. Have them submit a certain number of charts and send it to them. Otherwise as I said you have an obligation as its co creator to help others understand its use.

Start a new thread for newbies of thesystem where you only PM answers after they have posted charts.

You made a post when 2 other members where trying to configure data etc. You told them they could back test and compile till they were blue in the face and it wouldnt matter. They didnt need it they only needed to use the tools and teachings in this thread and to stop wasting time and start watching the screen.

Aren't you telling people you consider lazy the opposite. Those guys are doing even more work to help convince themselves and reassure themselves of the usefullness of this method. Maybe they find something that improves the system. So why rebuke them?

John Bollinger doesn't care if you add or subtract from his method. If you use his default setting or your own. He wants you to succeed anyway you can and is happy to help. He gave you the engine and wants you to build the car. Thats his legacy.

Incidently that consolidation on GBP/USD 15 is probably due more to a lack of liquidity then a CZ. NZ, AU are out for holiday. Half of Eurpoe will be as well and in the US most will be turning in early. With NFP tommorow I doubt the smart money is in the market.

Just my humble thoughts
  • #2,163
  • Apr 5, 2012 11:55pm Apr 5, 2012 11:55pm
This thread is filled with success stories from people who completely understand where I'm coming from in every way. Your rants conveniently leave out any mention of these folks, the SSBO success stories. Why is that I wonder?
To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #2,164
  • Apr 6, 2012 12:39am Apr 6, 2012 12:39am
Quoting calstar
So if its naked trading why the indicators?


I dont know if he/she got 186 pips. From the chart it looks possible. That's why I was hoping I could find out what type of trailing stop that was, or how the candles managed to stay bearish the whole time. If anyone has knowledge in regards to what indicators those are from the posted charts they look to be useful. I have tried all day to recreate that chart.

For the candles I used:
Randy Candles. Grab Candles, MoDha bars

For the stop I used:
TRO volatility stop, BAT trailing, Lab...
  • #2,165
  • Apr 6, 2012 1:02am Apr 6, 2012 1:02am
I can't believe I just saw this system, would have saved me 7 months of staring at charts cluttered with a host of confusing and sometimes downright foolish indicators.

I am going to give this system a spin as soon as the holiday period is over (I'm thinking Wednesday the 11th) I have a few questions though:

- Are there any specific pairs/time-frames that you feel this will do well in,
- Also does the prevailing trend affect the direction you will trade in (that is, if we have a strong-ish uptrend are we only looking for long setups)
An investment in knowledge pays the best interest - Ben Franklin
  • #2,166
  • Apr 6, 2012 2:32am Apr 6, 2012 2:32am
Quoting abi2712
I can't believe I just saw this system, would have saved me 7 months of staring at charts cluttered with a host of confusing and sometimes downright foolish indicators.

I am going to give this system a spin as soon as the holiday period is over (I'm thinking Wednesday the 11th) I have a few questions though:

- Are there any specific pairs/time-frames that you feel this will do well in,
- Also does the prevailing trend affect the direction you will trade in (that is, if we have a strong-ish uptrend are we only looking for long setups)
I don't think you have read the complete thread but Forexhand's sig gives you the answer to the 2nd part of the question
"I've already forgotten what price did yesterday, and I don't plan for what it might do tomorrow. Today, right now, is all that matters - FxH
For the pairs and TF it is stated in the very first post,I only use it for gbpusd
  • #2,167
  • Apr 6, 2012 5:10am Apr 6, 2012 5:10am
Thank you Forexhard for a sharing, I have read your full thread and already making pips!

Dendio from Sydney, Australia
  • #2,168
  • Apr 6, 2012 1:27pm Apr 6, 2012 1:27pm
Currently in a Long position with that last super tight CZ in G/U. Got 25p locked in at the moment and trailing by about 15p. I could grab 40p right now and run, but I'm going to keep trailing and see where this goes Monday.

My DD for this trade was a whopping 12p. Will post pics once I've closed the trade out some time next week. (Members know by now that I only post pics of closed trades.)

EDIT: I guess I spoke a bit too soon. It got stopped out just as I was writing that. So here's the pic as promised. No more trading for me this week. Time for the weekend...
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To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #2,169
  • Apr 6, 2012 6:45pm Apr 6, 2012 6:45pm
OK, so now that the drama from the last couple of days has died down I'm going to expose one of Forex's dirty little secrets. It may help you guys understand these unusual verbal exchanges that you see played out in most of the threads here at FF -- just like what happened in here over the last 48 hours, and a few other times during the course of this thread as well. My hope is that by exposing this thing to the light, that it will happen less often. But even if it doesn't slow down, at least my SSBO guys will be able to recognize it for what it is next time it happens, and respond accordingly.

The thing is, some of your fellow traders do not want you to learn how to trade profitably. Some traders believe that the more pips you lose, the more they can win. They believe that by keeping you ignorant and prone to making basic errors in judgement, that they stand a better chance of winning the pips you lost. In short, they want you to stay noobs all your trading life so that they can take advantage of you. And one of the ways they try to make this happen is by coming in here and doing what ever they can to derail a thread or a system that is offering sound trading advice.

If you take the last couple of days as a recent example, some posters came in here with questionable FF identities (some of which have already been banned by FF mods) and write these long winded rants that have nothing at all to do with the inner workings of the SSBO system. Their only goal is to distract from what we are doing, and to waste my time forcing me to answer their idiotic messages.

This very scenario has played out several times in this thread over the last 8 months. And in order to protect the thread and the SSBO members who are giving the thread 40,000 hits per month, I have used my power as OP to ban some of them. And this is where it gets interesting folks, so pay attention: I have checked, and at least half of all those avatars which I have banned from posting just here in our thread have since been banned by FF mods altogether! Let that sink in for a second. And then ask yourself, why are there so many people acting out to such a degree that after just 10 or 20 posts they are getting banned from the FF? What is their motivation for doing so? What do they hope to gain by causing so much trouble and discord in a professional trading blog such as the FF?

It all comes back to what I was saying: They do it because they want YOU to stay ignorant. They want YOU to lose as many pips as possible. They don't want YOU to become a successful trader, and they will try to discourage you every chance they get.

They attack profitable systems. They attack legitimate brokers and dealers. They attack Twee and the Forex Factory. They personally attack mentors here at FF such as myself (and 20 others I can name) and try to make you doubt our sincerity and honesty. And worst of all, they plant TONS and TONS of bad information in the blogosphere about trading, hoping to ruin as many new traders as they can with their lies.

Please don't get me wrong. This post is not about me at all, it's about all of you. I've already learned all of these difficult lessons, and my trades are doing fine. These idiots won't affect my trades no matter what they say, either to me or about me. It's you guys I'm worried about. When my thread gets abused, I feel it's my responsibility to say something to set the record straight. Hopefully this gets the job done. The next time you catch someone trolling our thread, just remember that it's YOU they are trying to harm with their lies and distractions. Don't let them get away with it.

FxH
To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #2,170
  • Apr 6, 2012 7:48pm Apr 6, 2012 7:48pm
[quote=forexhard;5549992]OK, so now that the drama from the last couple of days has died down I'm going to expose one of Forex's dirty little secrets. It may help you guys understand these unusual verbal exchanges that you see played out in most of the threads here at FF -- just like what happened in here over the last 48 hours, and a few other times during the course of this thread as well. My hope is that by exposing this thing to the light, that it will happen less often. But even if it doesn't slow down, at least my SSBO guys will be able to recognize it for what it is next time it happens, and respond accordingly.

The thing is, some of your fellow traders do not want you to learn how to trade profitably. Some traders believe that the more pips you lose, the more they can win. They believe that by keeping you ignorant and prone to making basic errors in judgement, that they stand a better chance of winning the pips you lost. In short, they want you to stay noobs all your trading life so that they can take advantage of you. And one of the ways they try to make this happen is by coming in here and doing what ever they can to derail a thread or a system that is offering sound trading advice....


Makes sense Fhard, but what I don't get is why they would be willing to waste their time on posting such things, I mean the forex market is a 4 Trillion dollar market with millions of participants, influencing a few wouldn't really get them anywhere. Could send me links to some deceitful posts like the ones you mentioned above so that I can get a feel of what they look like, I think it will be really helpful to new traders like myself and others.

Thanks
An investment in knowledge pays the best interest - Ben Franklin
  • #2,171
  • Apr 6, 2012 8:59pm Apr 6, 2012 8:59pm
FH:

You have been doing a great job over here and have shown a strategy that works! There will be detractors and there will be admirers...

Great job and keep it going.
- Play Smart!
  • #2,172
  • Apr 6, 2012 9:08pm Apr 6, 2012 9:08pm
interesting observation fxh - thanks for sharing....

a lot of good people have left ff over the last couple of months due to this and share elsewhere.... I like to add that a number of voucher vultures (10+ vouchers) are involved in this on various threads here as well and thus it seems that moderators condone such behaviour of them....

sad!
  • #2,173
  • Apr 6, 2012 10:04pm Apr 6, 2012 10:04pm
Quoting mobthehop
interesting observation fxh - thanks for sharing....

a lot of good people have left ff over the last couple of months due to this and share elsewhere.... I like to add that a number of voucher vultures (10+ vouchers) are involved in this on various threads here as well and thus it seems that moderators condone such behaviour of them....

sad!
You wouldn't believe all the hateful PM's I have received since starting this thread. So many people telling me how stupid I am for "giving away" good trading info, etc. And my profile page has been bombed by spam over and over, so much so that Twee has had to delete the comments. This is the stuff that no one sees. Nobody knows what it's like to host a system thread until they actually host one themselves. The stuff you see printed here in the thread is only part fo what goes on, trust me. The stuff you don't see is far worse.

Much of the trouble is because so many people believe in the "zero sum" trading philosophy. Which is complete nonsense at the retail level, but they believe it anyway. Which goes, that for every winner there is a loser. So if I can trick you into staying a bad trader, then it's more likely that you will keep losing your pips to me. So they come in here and hijack systems, or derail threads, or try to intimidate the OP's into giving up their efforts at teaching the good stuff to noobs.

Unfortunately this too is part of Forex trading, having to put up with this type of nonsense. It's not enough that we must master the market and all it's pitfalls, but we must do so while being attacked by our own fellow traders who hope we never get as good as they are. It's ridiculous, it's childish, it's mean-spirited, and worst of all it's not even based on fact. But it still happens every single day here at the FF.
To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #2,174
  • Apr 6, 2012 10:40pm Apr 6, 2012 10:40pm
Quoting forexhard
OK, so now that the drama from the last couple of days has died down I'm going to expose one of Forex's dirty little secrets. It may help you guys understand these unusual verbal exchanges that you see played out in most of the threads here at FF -- just like what happened in here over the last 48 hours, and a few other times during the course of this thread as well. My hope is that by exposing this thing to the light, that it will happen less often. But even if it doesn't slow down, at least my SSBO guys will be able to recognize it for what it...
All has to do with the attitude of the person that probally reflect back in to trading imo most are to lazy. To backtest etc (old phrase nothing works until you work)
Or gambler looking for a fast buck thats my experience so far in the last years.
Most hope to find the magic pill a ea what makes them money or some indicator based system what gives them some arrow and needs to pick every turn. You really think if someone have created some algorythem what is profitable with volatity adjusted money management get shared people dont think so. Also i give a clue in the message i posted today another post here on the forum is all about math even a stupid dum system can be made in to a profitable 1 all you need to do is adjust the money management for example most cant stand the drawdown anyway. And not saying they are super good but some are robust and could give people slight edge if they can withstand the drawdown periods and are happy with low returns, There is also a guy here his name is the real thing real name joel rensink gave out 2 strategies out in the forum who are profitable breakout they are i think, but here comes the point again he adjust his money mangement to volaltilty adjusted or whatever . imo there are some profitable 1s out there in use with the right money management they could substain the long run. There is not such thing as the magic pill and if it is there you will not find it here because that the 1s who are not shared.

I agree with your post forexhard
  • #2,175
  • Apr 7, 2012 7:04am Apr 7, 2012 7:04am
Quoting forexhard

Much of the trouble is because so many people believe in the "zero sum" trading philosophy. Which is complete nonsense at the retail level, but they believe it anyway.
I totally agree, I wish most retail traders were winning traders, it would make life actually easier (for trend followers that is)...

Nice thread, keep it going.
Best,
D
  • #2,176
  • Apr 7, 2012 10:24am Apr 7, 2012 10:24am
Quoting forexhard
You wouldn't believe all the hateful PM's I have received since starting this thread. So many people telling me how stupid I am for "giving away" good trading info, etc. And my profile page has been bombed by spam over and over, so much so that Twee has had to delete the comments. This is the stuff that no one sees. Nobody knows what it's like to host a system thread until they actually host one themselves. The stuff you see printed here in the thread is only part fo what goes on, trust me. The stuff you don't see is far worse.

Much...
Just publish the precise orders for EURUSD 3 boxes in a row. (market, stop, limit, time, price, SL, PT, SL + BE, trailing stop ...)
  • #2,177
  • Apr 7, 2012 10:56am Apr 7, 2012 10:56am
Quote
You wouldn't believe all the hateful PM's I have received since starting this thread. So many people telling me how stupid I am for "giving away" good trading info, etc. And my profile page has been bombed by spam over and over, so much so that Twee has had to delete the comments. This is the stuff that no one sees. Nobody knows what it's like to host a system thread until they actually host one themselves. The stuff you see printed here in the thread is only part of what goes on, trust me. The stuff you don't see is far worse.
Amen, brother!!!!! This is the exact reason that I've personally decided not to post any more new ideas on this forum. I will just be sticking to updating my existing threads when needed and be available to answer questions from people who have legitimate questions and truly need some help or advice. Forexhard, Miyagi, and I were working on updating an indicator for one of my threads that was going to be phenomenal, but maybe now I think we'll just keep that info to ourselves and maybe a select few who "get it". Sorry all, you can thank guys like calstar and numerous others for ruining good threads and costing you access to great information.
  • #2,178
  • Apr 7, 2012 11:53am Apr 7, 2012 11:53am
what the best way to trade thise sys?
Iam just A pips on the rode :nerd:
  • #2,179
  • Apr 7, 2012 3:11pm Apr 7, 2012 3:11pm
All I'm going to say is read from the beginning. It's pretty obvious that you have not done this.
  • #2,180
  • Apr 7, 2012 11:51pm Apr 7, 2012 11:51pm
Quoting mer071898
Amen, brother!!!!! This is the exact reason that I've personally decided not to post any more new ideas on this forum. I will just be sticking to updating my existing threads when needed and be available to answer questions from people who have legitimate questions and truly need some help or advice. Forexhard, Miyagi, and I were working on updating an indicator for one of my threads that was going to be phenomenal, but maybe now I think we'll just keep that info to ourselves....
Whew! Today was almost like a gym workout! LOL It's not every day that some nimrod tries to hijack a system here at FF not just once, but twice in the same day! I think I must have made about 32 posts today. My fingers are tired! LOL

Mer, help me understand something please. Some guy tells you that you don't have a system and that your custom indicator doesn't work, but then he copies every important detail of your system and starts his own system thread. He even uses the same name. How can it be so bad if he wants to copy it so closely? Does this make sense to you?

Hey speaking of the Miyagi indi, we've made huge advances with the filtering algos. I've checked 7 TF's across 18 pairs (ca. 126 individual charts), and at least 45% of all the charts showed worthwhile results. And that was just the rough draft. Maybe what we should do is start a special thread but then limit the vouchers that can post there. That should keep the riffraff down to a minimum for only those that "get it". What do you think, a 3 vouch minimum? More?
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