james16 Chart Thread

Not at all, you have nothing of any interest to me.
Struggle on alone, my friend.

Avec plaisir

Well, it is the same system, you just don't know it yet.
At least I gave you the opportunity to read about it, without having to join the PF, where it is taught. It was only a brief explanation as I said.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

And if you don't understand it fully, don't read it either.

PA trading has no place for MA systems.

PA trading is about understanding why price moves. Understand that and you'll be a success. Keep jumping form one silly system to the next and you'll find that you've wasted your time.

Price is Everything people. Price is Everything!

You know, you are belittling something which, you know absolutely nothing about.
I studied the Base system on the PF, it is a good system, if understood properly. If you don't understand it, 1: stop talking about it or 2: study it.

Want me to teach you about it?

Somewhere else?

the PF perhaps?

I dont often post in here and i would just like to say that reading the last few pages has been a complete waste of time and reminded me of so many other forum threads that descend into bickering. I used to enjoy coming to J16 thread because of the all the free help and advice that was made available by kind contributors but if the arguing continues i along with many others will no doubt stop using the thread.

i would suggest to the thread owner to delete those pages if possible and save the newbies and the rest of us the wasted time it takes to read them.

Thanks

See, there you go again.
That post was not addressed to you but you replied to it in your usual flip manner.
I sent you a PM by the way.

You're missing the point, I think

What I want is for you to teach nobody about it

You are seriously forgetting that you have no authority in this thread, you are a member not a mod.

And also don't forget, I have permission to discuss the base system.

Take it up with J16.

And would you kindly stop screwing the thread up more than you have already.

I suggest you PM me instead of making these kind of posts.

As I've warned, so long as you protagonise the idea, I will antagonise it

wow what just happened...

Well the James16thread never was a system. It is a method. It is a method to interpret art. The art of why price does what it does.

Over the years a lot of people have used this material in a lot of ways to create their own version of "james16 systems" and I am one of them. I can tell you I have never felt like sharing my system here at the thread for the very reason that I don't want a a person new to this thread reading the first post or maybe even the first 100 posts and then fast forwarding to the last most recent page and getting totally muddled up. I know that 3 years ago when I happened to stumble upon this great thread the key to my learning was the consistency in what was being taught. The most recent page looked like a clear elaboration and further examples of the material on the first page.

The reason why pin bars and other PA bars and their trading is discussed and so loved by the regular stoppers is because it enables the assimilation of the concepts of order flow and price behavior in very understandable terms. I can tell you the one thing that amazed me most when I was trying to go through the thick skinned yet highly sought after order flow concepts at the related threads here at FF, was the striking similarity between what was being discussed there and right here at this thread. Much of the little difference was in the way it was put together. So a more technical name to what we refer to as "space" becomes "liquidity disequilibrium". The point I am trying to make is that the basics taught here are truly gold and it cannot be denied that the traditional use of PA bars to talk about momentum and what price is looking to do is by far the best and the popularity of this thread suggests this in a big way.

So what happens if the whole bunch of us trading our own systems start to talk about the way we trade 'merely' for people who have undergone the basics and we know are quite capable of picking up the more advanced concepts? Are we denying the fact that the vast majority that visits the thread are people very new and probably even struggling? Don't forget that James16 day trades using a touch trading method. He himself claims that there are things that he does with his charts that he hasn't even talked about. The BASE after all is his system. Could he have jumped to these systems soon after the first few pages of the thread? Sure he could have, he probably chose not to because he understood the importance of the basics and knew for a fact that if a single thread could cater to the newbies in any way it has to be "enlightning them with the basic knowledge of why price what it does." Therein lies the core of the problem. A SINGLE THREAD. The PF is of course different in that it has a tonne of sections and subsections that you could utilize to showcase/teach an advanced version of james16 stuff but cluttering it all in a single thread here at FF does take its toll on the newbies. And no I am not guessing. I have had people wanting to take up personal sessions with me because the 'recent action' clearly confuses them.

I am sure most of you would agree with me that in recent times more and more charts keep coming up that I cannot explain with any of the basics that I know of, touch trades in particular. After being in the roller coaster for 3 years now I know the sharp turns it takes but I clearly worry about the new person who was till today trading a 120 pip pin bar to a 60 pip first trouble area 'because he KNEW price was going to get there' and then all of a sudden he stumbles upon a chart that shows a trader touch trading a big move with a 20 pip stop.

However this is still just my opinion.

The thread has never discouraged anyone to share a different version of price action trading provided that it had to do with 'PRICE'. And that said Pin bar has every right to talk about the BASE as much as he wants. The point that I am trying to make above is that as per my book I find it to be a moral obligation to respect the majority of the audience (i.e newbies) that looks at my charts because deep inside no matter how much I like or appreciate the advanced material and regardless of the fact that I trade a different variation of the james16 material I know I stood a very bleak chance of making it up to this point had I been exposed to any of this advanced stuff back then.

Pinbar, your help and your willingness to ask questions and learn is a great asset to this thread, and this business respects those that are always hungry for more knowledge. While everything that I said above was purely my opinion I have absolutely nothing against you nor have anything to say against you sharing the BASE here, because regardless of our opinions and believes the fact that james16 material is a method and not a system that can be applied to any trading system in the world for improved results while being a source of unlimited systems in itself is right at the core of its goodness and merit.

g.

Thank you G

You saved me from having to type the same thing

Once again all the bickering will be deleted and those that want to fight will simply not be allowed to do so here.

There are many many variations that are discussed in here. By the nature of a giant thread there is little control over that. Some topics that are discussed will be taken out of context as always.

We will do our best to keep the new traders grounded as Ghous said and we need to do that by reminding those that are new where to start. THose that choose to hang here and share and ask questions on different variations are welcome to do so. It always has been a place of sharing and helping.

We aren't going to beat this dead horse. So please lets get back to the charts guys. If you hate someone put them on your ignore list. If you want to fight go somewhere else. The last thing I want is to get people banned on this thread. I will be getting all the rcent posts and fighting deleted. Any posts on this subject drawing this out will also be. I don't want to suspend people so if you want to continue this discussion please do it else where. Ghous said everything that needs to be said and once again back to trading folks.

Everyone needs to chill out its only monday! LOL It's a huge thread with even bigger personalities. I don't expect everyone to agree with what every single person says , I just expect everyone to show people respect and keep this to TRADING only.

That moon must be full somewhere

That is a great post Ghous and I respect you for it.
I did not intend to confuse anyone, I was merely posting two basic charts about the base system, which Jarroo and I had been discussing earlier in context with the base being a tool to show supply & demand in relation to S&R. Then DK and Ify start trying to order me to not post about it, when they have no right to do so. Even though, they seem to be confused and think they do have a right to order me to stop posting about the base in this thread.

This is the cause of my anger and when Ify is calling the base system and J16 "Stupid" it infuriated me.

If those two get their position in this thread in perspective and which is a member of this board and not a senior member or mod, I shall ignore them both gladly.

I agree Mike, but, let's make it clear DK and Ify are not mods and have no authority to tell anyone to do anything in this thread. Or this will occur again by the nature of these people.

What happened and was said was in the heat of the moment. Don't take it personally. When all of this subsides I am sure you'll all be wanting to apologize to each other and get going with what the staff here is really good at. Sharing charts and helping others out

g.

I think people forget their is another face at the end of these screens.

Once again James allows people to share and discuss many things. This is one huge reason the PF does exist because with one single thread it's simply impossible to both teach and both explain different topics in great detail. THis causes a lot of information to be discussed here and a lot of it to be out of context. That is why the number one job here is to keep those basics on the front of what we show. Yes it's going to veer off at times, and different approaches will inevitably be discussed here. Just remember discuss what you want as long as it is trading ONLY.

Once again you are all welcome here if you show respect to other traders. If you agree or disagree that is fine, but understand fighting will simply not be allowed. It's a huge disservice to so many that have spent hundreds of hours helping here and a bigger disservice to that new trader who is looking for some light in the hell out there.

All posts regarding this subject will be reported and I will have to temporarily suspend those that continue to drag this out while it gets cleaned up by Twee. I have no choice and I hate doing this cause it's a huge waste of time lol.

Once again guys, please remember to show respect to people and realize most of us have the same goals. We all may not share the same opinions and that's ok. Just realize we should always be showing each other respect. If you can't please don't post or put someone on your ignore list. It's quite simple!

Thanks
Mike

how do you diffuse fighting?! With charts


Seriously though lets get back to sharing and helping, I freaking love this thread and I know this bumps are going to happen in public and appreciate those of you who try to steer it back to its intended purpose.

Let's all try to have a good and HAPPY week.


TON of questions on the usd/cad pinbar. Here is how I have been and am watching this chart. We nearly had a breakout on friday. I even had an order in but it was never picked up as we fell back into the box of consolidation. I am still keen on watching for a breakout long more then anything. Remember different styles can and will use these different techniques in various ways


Best
Mike

This is exactly what Jarroo and I were discussing with the base system.
It fits the scenario of being right in the middle in no man's land, with the crossover occurring and the 25 ema confluencing with the PPZ and fibo.

yes this is an easy way to view moving averages in an effective way too. I don't use them anymore because you can often see this without them. BUT they are a great tool to help guide and notice instances like this. They should be used like any other tool. Thats what James says.

Notice how they are all flattening out and laying on top of each other. This is telling us price is flat(sideways) and we can then validate that by seeing the box and utilizing the other information here(BRN, PPZ, etc). Another heads up if you use MAs (multiple ones like a short, medium , long term) is when price gets stuck b/w the two.

It's often all the same information just we can "see" it in different ways.

When this occurs a breakout is often not far away. We can then pinpoint down better entries with PA

Best
Mike