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  • #21
  • Edited 5:55am Jan 25, 2012 5:32am | Edited 5:55am
Great Job dear Shahrooz
I am looking forward hear more about your amazing trading method specially about fractals that is one of my favorite subjects.
keep the way Dude.
  • #22
  • Edited 7:48am Jan 25, 2012 5:54am | Edited 7:48am
Quoting shahrooz67
Thx man, but seems no one cares in ideas here and all important are some indics which just the utility is important not the way it works(When u do not know how some thing works How do you expect it to function properly ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) !
any way i will post $hah Oscilator hours later ! It is University time now ! See u around
First of all, Thanks for sharing your knoweledge and ideas. Nice to have a Persian guy here..... So ancient history and civilization come from your country....

Anyway, I don't fully agree with your last words.....

Well, I think theory is important, but is not always necessary to have a deep theoretical knoweledge to do something in the good way.....
E.g. is not necessary to know thermodinamic laws to drive a car...... Or know Binary math & how semiconductors are mede of, to make a good use of a personal computer.....

Moreover, there's an Italian proverb (Not so shure it's Italian...... ) wich says: If I read... I forget, If I see... I remember, If I do..... I LEARN

So, it's not always our hurry to be spoonfed, knowing nothing about the basis of a system, but maybe we see something interesting in a new thread, and are anxious to learn more, and see how to use it..... As you certainly know, there are thousands of threads, here in FF. And, how much time wasted too, following threads that leads to nothing......
  • #23
  • Jan 25, 2012 6:45am Jan 25, 2012 6:45am
Nice proverb Aztrader. I think I,ll remember that and use it in my next job interview.
  • #24
  • Jan 25, 2012 7:08am Jan 25, 2012 7:08am
Quoting shahrooz67
Thx man, but seems no one cares in ideas here and all important are some indics which just the utility is important not the way it works(When u do not know how some thing works How do you expect it to function properly ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) !
any way i will post $hah Oscilator hours later ! It is University time now ! See u around
shahrooz67, I don't want to speak for others, but I am not just waiting for the indicator (as I said before, post it when you're good and ready, not when somebody demands), I am very interested in your ideas and want to hear more.

For example, we have a very popular thread "The System II"
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=80290

As far as I understand, "The System II" is all about the touch points, but the topic starter works with the pure PA only, without any indicators/fractals etc. It is not that easy to filter out the bad entries using just pure PA. Your approach seems to be very interesting and unusual.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #25
  • Jan 25, 2012 7:25am Jan 25, 2012 7:25am
Quoting shahrooz67
Thx man, but seems no one cares in ideas here
Come on, shahrooz67! Your new thread got 2,500 views in 23 hours! It's A LOT! People are interested, most of them just don't speak out. People are different, you know... If I don't understand something, I keep asking until I got it, but a lot of people hate showing that they don't understand something.

Guys, I suggest: in order to show the topic starter our interest - please rate the thread!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #26
  • Jan 25, 2012 7:42am Jan 25, 2012 7:42am
Quoting shahrooz67
Thx man, .......
any way i will post $hah Oscilator hours later ! It is University time now ! See u around
@Favorite

just calm down a bit, I guess our buddy is at university at the moment...
  • #27
  • Jan 25, 2012 7:50am Jan 25, 2012 7:50am
Quoting so_what
@Favorite

just calm down a bit, I guess our buddy is at university at the moment...


Yes, but he'll be back!

He lives in Iran - different time zone. So I think we'd better post our questions and suggestions when it is convenient for us, and he'll answer when it is convenient for him.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #28
  • Jan 25, 2012 8:04am Jan 25, 2012 8:04am
Quoting Favorite


Yes, but he'll be back!

He lives in Iran - different time zone. So I think we'd better post our questions and suggestions when it is convenient for us, and he'll answer when it is convenient for him.

I'am now back home ! workin on the post about Phisical theories to put it simple and brief , i will post surely the post and indicator in which we can enter the trades ! it is 17:33 now and my favorite soccer team has a game on 6:00 so i'am back on 8:00 pm .
thank you too all for sharing their ideas which can benefit all of us !
see you soon
  • #29
  • Jan 25, 2012 8:06am Jan 25, 2012 8:06am
Quoting Aztrader2
First of all, Thanks for sharing your knoweledge and ideas. Nice to have a Persian guy here..... So ancient history and civilization come from your country....

Anyway, I don't fully agree with your last words.....

Well, I think theory is important, but is not always necessary to have a deep theoretical knoweledge to do something in the good way.....
E.g. is not necessary to know thermodinamic laws to drive a car...... Or know Binary math & how semiconductors are mede of, to make a good use of a personal computer.....

Moreover, there's an Italian...


Excellent Proverb man, but there is quotes on it!
You have also good knowledge on history, Our Great Ancient Rivals Rome the great! Unfortunately we slept in that Pride period and we are far far away of that culture!
By the way I love it man TOTTI! The great team with Capello, Batistuta Nakata Totti WOW a good one!
Anyway, when you want to use a car or computer you are totally right man, because you want just use it as a device! That is not the way you want to make a business with! Let me say it this how! Consider you are Truck driver you need the car for the market the business the work! So you do should have some basic knowledge about it!
Let me repeat myself this is a way based on your looking at the chart with help!! The more you see the correct the more successful you are and even you can modify your trader assistant (I mean Touch point Indic) to help you better! For watching correctly and helping to improve the method (As I said hundreds times) you should know the principles! You cannot name, at least this ravie, as a money printing machine without anything about the manuals!
Guys this needs Improvement! And Upgrading and Tuning needs info! This is teamwork Thread that needs experienced Traders or even brainstorming heads to benefit all.
  • #30
  • Jan 25, 2012 8:14am Jan 25, 2012 8:14am
Quoting shahrooz67
it is 17:33 now
There is 8.5 hrs difference with the EST, that's what I thought.

Quoting shahrooz67
thank you too all for sharing their ideas which can benefit all of us!
see you soon
That's cool!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #31
  • Jan 25, 2012 8:22am Jan 25, 2012 8:22am
Quoting shahrooz67
Guys this needs Improvement! And Upgrading and Tuning needs info! This is teamwork Thread that needs experienced Traders or even brainstorming heads to benefit all.
shahrooz67, count me in! I'm not a programmer, so I can't help you to improve the indicator's code, but I'm willing to participate in testing, tuning, brainstorming and any teamwork.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #32
  • Jan 25, 2012 8:24am Jan 25, 2012 8:24am
Hope ESTEGHLAL win The Game dear Shahrooz
  • #33
  • Jan 25, 2012 9:03am Jan 25, 2012 9:03am
Shan,

I do believe that there are otheers like me who have the need to know how things work. I can't use an indicator unless I know how it works. Otherwise I am essentially trading blindly.

So, please do educate us - then share the indicator after we understand it.

Thanks!

SirWolf

Quoting shahrooz67
Thx man, but seems no one cares in ideas here and all important are some indics which just the utility is important not the way it works(When u do not know how some thing works How do you expect it to function properly ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) !
any way i will post $hah Oscilator hours later ! It is University time now ! See u around
Believe and Achieve!
  • #34
  • Jan 25, 2012 10:32am Jan 25, 2012 10:32am
Hoooooora !

Thx man ! we won the game and returned to the rank 1!

I am now completly energized to continue
  • #35
  • Jan 25, 2012 10:47am Jan 25, 2012 10:47am
Quoting shahrooz67
Wow look at the views it just passed 3,000 , seems nice
Beeradar, Cut the Crap and show us your indi , so we all can make some $$$?? What say you??
  • #36
  • Edited 12:21pm Jan 25, 2012 11:14am | Edited 12:21pm
Ok
As I think if you have too much theory followed each other the main Course will be spoiled and the motivation goes dead!
Before continuing the theories I’m going to do some chartings!
Easy but helpful!
I ‘am sure u have all always saw the turning points on the charts and low and highs Valley and tops etc
But have you ever really focused on them?! Have you ever thought why the price wants to turn back at A but Not B does?!
Simple answer! Because A has the potential to reject the price and form a good geometrical shape for us!
I do not discuss about the fundamental, not discuss about technical nor sentimental! I have just focused the reasons which are can convince me! For me math and theories can do this!

Ok enough of long speech!
Just clean your charts of every thing! Then download the Zigzag and Zigzag pointer Indic attached here!
Thx to anyone who has already coded them!
Try to download enough data on your charts (As much as you wish)
Then drop the Zigzag on your Chart and set these to this number (Please do the same there are reasons behind this numbers which I will explain about it later)
ExtDepth=10;
ExtDeviation=2;
ExtBackstep=3;
In the example I have randomly selected EURGBP M15!
You can choose any you wish

I start since 17 January 2012 (the more you get back the more accurate)
Draw Horizontal lines on the ZIGZAG breaks like image
Now what you see until last is lots of horizontal Lines! Don’t be afraid they are all valuable! They are your guidance!
Now to back test what I said! Go to a specified date! Here 17 January, and assume that you don’t know the prices from 23 January on!
Now jus draw horizontal lines on breaks just between 17 January and 23
Ok this time scroll charts forward from 23 January till now!
What do you see?!
OW the price tends to repeat!
Ain’t they?!
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  • #37
  • Jan 25, 2012 11:27am Jan 25, 2012 11:27am
Yes this lines are helpful if you tade price action patterns and for st tp - i prefer to draw them manually from 4h time. But i take not the tops but pivot points
Quoting shahrooz67
Ok
As I think if you have too much theory followed each other the main Course will be spoiled and the motivation goes dead!
Before continuing the theories I’m going to do some chartings!
Easy but helpful!
I ‘am sure u have all always saw the turning points on the charts and low and highs Valley and tops etc
But have you ever really focused on them?! Have you ever thought why the price wants to turn back at A but Not B does?!
Simple answer! Because A has the potential to reject the price and form a good geometrical shape for us!...
Aut cum scuto, aut in scuto
  • #38
  • Jan 25, 2012 11:45am Jan 25, 2012 11:45am
Now you may say! Such a fool!
I could have drawn these lines even by hearts! With closed eyes!
I say yes you would! I said it is easy!


You answer: too many lines which are valuable which are not
I say all are valuable but by times! The time should arrive first then the zones will be touched!
You say ok if I draw a line on sth like USDCHF monthly the tops never be touched! There are hundred pips away! But I say are you sure about the market?! Can you predict the market?!
They will be touched again but time requires!
In some charts there are no Footprints of the market and I can do nothing for it! I try to use another method for my positional regions!

Then you ask again in some cased there are tens of closed lines together I answer yes all are valuable but there are priorities among them!
Consider an army! From a soldier to a top ranked lieutenant!
How they will be ranked?! I say by three factors!
Describe later
  • #39
  • Jan 25, 2012 11:52am Jan 25, 2012 11:52am
Quoting profitmonit
Yes this lines are helpful if you tade price action patterns and for st tp - i prefer to draw them manually from 4h time. But i take not the tops but pivot points

Surly they are tp sls!

But let me tell you sth!

Do you know the difference between these lines and pivots?!

They can conclude pivots but they are not surely the pivots!
try some googling and find how to calculate pivots you just use the TF and timing and pricing consideration So it will make you to commit fault.

Pivots have much more freedom of this! You know why?!
Because they are not forced to be disciplinary and in a Wave motion pattern
  • #40
  • Jan 25, 2012 12:40pm Jan 25, 2012 12:40pm
When i'v said about pivots i've ment turning points - where price moved lot's time (but in the middle of this candles.
Quoting shahrooz67
Surly they are tp sls!

But let me tell you sth!

Do you know the difference between these lines and pivots?!

They can conclude pivots but they are not surely the pivots!
try some googling and find how to calculate pivots you just use the TF and timing and pricing consideration So it will make you to commit fault.

Pivots have much more freedom of this! You know why?!
Because they are not forced to be disciplinary and in a Wave motion pattern
Aut cum scuto, aut in scuto
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