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  • First Post: Edited Feb 8, 2012 3:02pm Jan 24, 2012 8:13am | Edited Feb 8, 2012 3:02pm


====******* Last Update 2 February 2012 ******====


Hello and welcome to everyone!

Every one is invited to improve ALL OF US Statue of trading !

Very Important :

Consider As no Offense

1-Hey ladies and Gentlemen , This is not a thread if you need an easy effortless system of trading !
If you are not comfortable with anything if you are not patient , please move on quickly and use your money printing system ! lol

2-I have no time for stupid argument to prove my skills in my system , I answer any question here, via e-mail or on private messaging about your problems on this topic! But any one with the messages containing offense or anything similar will be at once on Ignore list , I have no time for these stupid arguments !

If you love really a challenge , post your notes here in the public thread not on private messaging then every one else can see who have the balls ! (even these guys are not experienced traders !!!!! I can bet they have not gained a cent IN FX)
Every one is an hero in his dream and in shadow ! LOL

3-I wont post my Mq4 formats of my indicators !

4-I will post my trades just through this page no else where !

You can use this or not ! it is up to you


$hah 210 ravie (Shah= Persian word for king, ravie= means anything which leads u to something good) 210 = my beloved

I Do not know what happened to my text here in first post.it is disappeared !I do not know why !


But I'm going to repost here soon,

you should read the posts completely to understand what happens during this system.

But to view the rules you should study post #184 - 185 - 188 and 189



Wish Luck

Shahrooz
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  • #2
  • Jan 24, 2012 9:05am Jan 24, 2012 9:05am
Surelly it's interesting. Where is the indicator?
Aut cum scuto, aut in scuto
  • #3
  • Jan 24, 2012 9:08am Jan 24, 2012 9:08am
Dear Shahrooz67 (the best year):-)

It would be good to desctibe the teory, but also entery and exit criteria. If you use indicator, it would be good to post it here so we can chack the logic and try to backtest as well as to understand what your aproach is.

BR

Thanks for posting.
sasa
  • #4
  • Jan 24, 2012 9:14am Jan 24, 2012 9:14am
Quoting shahrooz67
Hello and welcome to everyone!

$hah 210 ravie (Shah= Persian word for king, ravie= means anything which leads u to something good)

Before a long description of the method I just need to thank anyone who will help to complete the coding of the touching points indicator!
This is a real concern for me because I’m not a real coder.

I have tried hard for several months to code everything in my mind as a good indicator or to say better, an assistant trader!

Just before starting the main idea, the background, reasons, mathematical,[b][color=red]...
First of all, Shahrooz, Thank you for your fx knowledge sharing gesture! I am interested in following your trades and charts. I prefer daily chart trading , not 1 or 5 minutes trading. Will I be able to achieve success with your indi? Can we have indi. please?
Behman.
  • #5
  • Jan 24, 2012 10:43am Jan 24, 2012 10:43am
Interesting....Waiting for more details.

Thank you for sharing.
If I Change, the whole World changes!
  • #6
  • Jan 24, 2012 11:34am Jan 24, 2012 11:34am
Thank you for sharingyour metod Shah. I would love to hear about the theory behind the indicator and system. Please do share.

Thank you!

SirWolf

Quoting shahrooz67
Hello and welcome to everyone!

$hah 210 ravie (Shah= Persian word for king, ravie= means anything which leads u to something good)

Before a long description of the method I just need to thank anyone who will help to complete the coding of the touching points indicator!
This is a real concern for me because I’m not a real coder.

I have tried hard for several months to code everything in my mind as a good indicator or to say better, an assistant trader!

Just before starting the main idea, the background, reasons, mathematical,[b][color=red]...
Believe and Achieve!
  • #7
  • Jan 24, 2012 12:55pm Jan 24, 2012 12:55pm
shahrooz67, I don't want to rain on your parade so to speak, BUT you use the MTF indicator, and that means: since we use M1, the color of the M5-MTF can repaint itself for the last 4-5 bars, and the color of the M15-MTF can repaint itself for the last 14-15 bars? Am I right? (The same would happen with any other combination of the timeframes, but I'm interested im M1)

If I'm wrong - please explain. If I'm right - how can you take a signal if you're not sure - maybe the next minute the M15 or the M5 color could change?
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #8
  • Jan 24, 2012 1:29pm Jan 24, 2012 1:29pm
Quoting Favorite
shahrooz67, I don't want to rain on your parade so to speak, BUT you use the MTF indicator, and that means: since we use M1, the color of the M5-MTF can repaint itself for the last 4-5 bars, and the color of the M15-MTF can repaint itself for the last 14-15 bars? Am I right? (The same would happen with any other combination of the timeframes, but I'm interested im M1)

If I'm wrong - please explain. If I'm right - how can you take a signal if you're not sure - maybe the next minute the M15 or the M5 color could change?


dear my friends !
the indic use the current time frame datas and compare it with the last detalis of selected time frame so that won't repaint !
consider the price which on M15 has closed as A
we are trading on m5 so it uses the price of current candle assume B with A and backs the results !
as B and A never change, the indic never repaint !
  • #9
  • Jan 24, 2012 1:33pm Jan 24, 2012 1:33pm
Seems you are trying to sell something here on FF? so much speak just t tell - Hey Guys I'm cool yeb, but i'lll never give it to you

Quoting shahrooz67
dear my friends !
the indic use the current time frame datas and compare it with the last detalis of selected time frame so that won't repaint !
consider the price which on M15 has closed as A
we are trading on m5 so it uses the price of current candle assume B with A and backs the results !
as B and A never change, the indic never repaint !
Aut cum scuto, aut in scuto
  • #10
  • Jan 24, 2012 1:34pm Jan 24, 2012 1:34pm
Quoting behman8850
First of all, Shahrooz, Thank you for your fx knowledge sharing gesture! I am interested in following your trades and charts. I prefer daily chart trading , not 1 or 5 minutes trading. Will I be able to achieve success with your indi? Can we have indi. please?
Behman.

Yeah i am going to post very thing in next days but i should get sure that there are more interests for the ravie !

i have sent examples in any time frames to show the capabilities of the method !

as i said before there is still works to do , my goal to share the method is surely to benefit all ! because there are still wroks to do which team works can make it lots better.

the most principle work is to code the touch points better.
  • #11
  • Jan 24, 2012 1:37pm Jan 24, 2012 1:37pm
Quoting profitmonit
Seems you are trying to sell something here on FF? so much speak just t tell - Hey Guys I'm cool yeb, but i'lll never give it to you

consider as no offense please ! here is every thing for free , no charge !
i do share the method because first i need some one professional to code the indic better !

i will share the idics and templates surely and i will post every thing till next days !

every thing is fur all and benefits get to all( if there is any interest)
  • #12
  • Jan 24, 2012 1:55pm Jan 24, 2012 1:55pm
As the posts posted by others passing 15 , i will print the section two which is more about the theories and ideas of fractals which lead to touch points .
now i am working on the text of the post and stoped trading now for couple of hours .
  • #13
  • Jan 24, 2012 2:23pm Jan 24, 2012 2:23pm
Quoting shahrooz67
dear my friends !
the indic use the current time frame datas and compare it with the last detalis of selected time frame so that won't repaint !
consider the price which on M15 has closed as A
we are trading on m5 so it uses the price of current candle assume B with A and backs the results !
as B and A never change, the indic never repaint !
So we have to wait until the M-15 candle closes? Let's say right now is 3:01 PM and we see that M-1, M-5 and M-15 are the same color. Do we have to wait until 3:15?

P.S. No offence, but all MTF-indicators work the same way and all of them repaint - it is just the nature of the beast.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #14
  • Jan 24, 2012 2:38pm Jan 24, 2012 2:38pm
Quoting Favorite
So we have to wait until the M-15 candle closes? Let's say right now is 3:01 PM and we see that M-1, M-5 and M-15 are the same color. Do we have to wait until 3:15?

P.S. No offence, but all MTF-indicators work the same way and all of them repaint - it is just the nature of the beast.

When it is 3:01 PM , it used the results of till 3:00 pm for m15 then compare the results of M1 with that candle ! if it is 3:06 it uses 6th candle of m1 in 3:00 and feed the results to the M15 (i meant till 3:00 candle) then use some math and then back the results ! as u can see it use just passed and sured closed price
  • #15
  • Jan 24, 2012 2:45pm Jan 24, 2012 2:45pm
Quoting shahrooz67
When it is 3:01 PM , it used the results of till 3:00 pm for m15 then compare the results of M1 with that candle ! if it is 3:06 it uses 6th candle of m1 in 3:00 and feed the results to the M15 (i meant till 3:00 candle) then use some math and then back the results ! as u can see it use just passed and sured closed price
I see. Now I got it! If you work at 3:01 with the M15 candle that's closed at 3:00 - then the indicator wouldn't repaint. Yes, it is a very interesting idea!

P.S. I ask questions not because I want to be annoying , but because I want to understand all the details.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #16
  • Jan 24, 2012 3:08pm Jan 24, 2012 3:08pm
Quoting Favorite
I see. Now I got it! If you work at 3:01 with the M15 candle that's closed at 3:00 - then the indicator wouldn't repaint. Yes, it is a very interesting idea!

P.S. I ask questions not because I want to be annoying , but because I want to understand all the details.

It is OK with me because questions help me to review my knowledge and challange me if i do not know the answer !

there is an iranian proverb which says ! asking question is not a shame but if you do not know the answer it is a shame !
  • #17
  • Jan 24, 2012 3:13pm Jan 24, 2012 3:13pm
Quoting shahrooz67
asking question is not a shame but if you do not know the answer it is a shame !
That's a good one!

shahrooz67, take your time, post the theory and the indicator not when somebody demands but when YOU are good and ready!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #18
  • Jan 24, 2012 3:14pm Jan 24, 2012 3:14pm
What are fractals?!
In Wikipedia: A fractal has been defined as "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole, a property called self-similarity.

May be you have heard of Jackson Pollock the great painter with real strange arts!
When you look at his works you can see nothing expect combination of accidentally spattered paints on a canvas. There were lots of critics on him and most of his Contemporary artists have known him as strange rubbish painter with mad drawings! But he resisted the critics and said it is not accidental and a can take controls of the paints!

Years later, at the end of 1990, Richard Taylor the Physicist of university of Oregon studied a collection of Pollock’s works has came to this conclusion which these painting are followed by a defined Fractal template years before the innovation of these templates. According to two reasons he was correct on his studies! First, Jack let his canvas on the ground and he spattered then the paints on it, moving around the canvas in strange and accurate angles! and before this, men has reached to this results that when someone is in an unbalanced state his body shows a define fractal movements of itself and the films which were shoot of Jack Pollock when painting approved this.

And the second reason is, these kinds of spattering the paints on the canvas could be a part of theory of chaos.

What?!?!?! Where is the similarity between these rubbish and FX?!?!?!?

Be patient please!

Years later Fractals were used much more in image processing and broadcasting technologies! Monitoring, imaging etc! To reduce the size and bits of images there are many technologies which uses fractals but how?! They use a low size shape which is form of a complete image and then expand the first model by thousands times to reach to original shapes!

AHA, we are getting closer as u can guess now! Our charts repeat themselves in locations and models! To say better everything in nature and everything related to human beings tend to use template or model!
Like our lovely charts pattern! By defining these models we can assume that our charts use the models too!

There are complex math doings behind the theories that we can pass them because they have past their exams before!

The factors which are important in calculating the fractals are just three ones! Number of repeating! Size of breaking into smaller or bigger pieces and the most important one defining the edge or specific detail which is our origin and our calculation should start from!!!

Perhaps you have learned from the Basic Math about turning points! Yes they are here the most important price fields as I think!!!They are our factor three which cause that we can identify them and expect the market to use again their templates.

But why these Points?! there are more than three reasons for this but to tell it easily 1-they are the best regions of the charts which can be modeled into shapes like ellipse and circles which we can calculate them easier 2- the derivative of these points defines divergences and third Trend lines pass through them ! (Have ever asked yourself why your eyes are gazed at top and bottom with the first glance of the charts?!) They have results with severe math formulas!

Yes everything has math behind it I believe LOL

Any Way touch points are calculated by these easy Turning points!

At the end I emphasize on the there factors and the Origin factor! U can find them by naked eyes also easily!

Attached I have marked the Origin points of some pics and charts. The points are between blue Rectangles and the modeled are with imprecise Ellipse .

Looking at some examples of fractals and charts
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  • #19
  • Jan 24, 2012 4:46pm Jan 24, 2012 4:46pm
Very Interesting shah! I look forward to following your thread and learing more. Thanks again for sharing!

Quoting shahrooz67
What are fractals?!
In Wikipedia: A fractal has been defined as "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole, a property called self-similarity.

May be you have heard of [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=637&sa=X&ei=ug0fT77oBISN4gSw-82vDw&ved=0CCUQvwUoAQ&q=jackson+pollock&spell=1"]Jackson...
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  • #20
  • Jan 25, 2012 12:49am Jan 25, 2012 12:49am
Quoting sirwolf
Very Interesting shah! I look forward to following your thread and learing more. Thanks again for sharing!

Thx man, but seems no one cares in ideas here and all important are some indics which just the utility is important not the way it works(When u do not know how some thing works How do you expect it to function properly ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) !
any way i will post $hah Oscilator hours later ! It is University time now ! See u around
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