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  • First Post: Sep 28, 2008 5:45am Sep 28, 2008 5:45am
  •  Bridge
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 172 Posts
Do you calculate your risk per trade on your balance or on your equity? Sometimes equity can become much bigger than your real balance and it could get you in a trade with a bigger size then expected and become a winner...what to do?
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  • Sep 28, 2008 6:59am Sep 28, 2008 6:59am
  •  Rabid
  • | Joined Jan 2008 | Status: Lunatic Supreme | 1,840 Posts
Balance. Equity means nothing until the trade is closed.
 
 
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  • Sep 28, 2008 11:11am Sep 28, 2008 11:11am
  •  Dopey
  • Joined Apr 2005 | Status: Dopey Bastard | 1,568 Posts
It's simply a choice. You can use a MM system based on equity or balance. Using an equity based system, as you've already intuited, is riskier, but the rewards are greater. It's up to you. Try to find some Van Tharp stuff. You can visit his forums for very detailed discussions on MM systems.

Whatever you chose, be consistent.
 
 
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  • Sep 28, 2008 11:44am Sep 28, 2008 11:44am
  •  Kiwi06
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Member | 171 Posts
Imho

it all depend on

  1. size of account
  2. number signal your system generates
  3. how much you want to risk in total for all position combined 10% 20% of balance
  4. how big is the potential DD for your system
  5. system signal accuracy (most important) ie how many sigs are winners

I woud start by looking around here then Van Tharp Trade your way to financial freedom, and Kelly Ratios also investigate sharp ratios.

just a suggestion

 
 
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  • Sep 28, 2008 11:53am Sep 28, 2008 11:53am
  •  Jurrasic
  • | Joined Feb 2008 | Status: Live long and have fun :) | 1,386 Posts
If there's really a sizable difference I'd use the lesser of the two.
On the path to Enrichment.
 
 
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  • Sep 28, 2008 11:49pm Sep 28, 2008 11:49pm
  •  BBPI_fxtrader
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: full-time trader wannabe | 975 Posts
definitely balance
Twitter: @forexpokerpro
 
 
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  • Sep 29, 2008 12:58am Sep 29, 2008 12:58am
  •  karmostaji
  • Joined Nov 2006 | Status: Dubai | 11,493 Posts
Balance.
Trade what you see, not what you think.
 
 
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  • Jan 5, 2012 2:35pm Jan 5, 2012 2:35pm
  •  Vmpwraith
  • | Joined Jan 2012 | Status: Member | 49 Posts
I calculate my risk on the balance of my account. I wont open any new trades unless my Open trades are less than the 10% risk I'm trading on this account. My account is < 2K at the moment but as it approcahes >2K my risk will reduce <5% and at 10k to 2%.

My pip target in this period is 50-150 / week (current target at 10% risk and account ballance is 50pips and I've been hitting 120+ for the last 2 months every week except the christmas new year period where I didn't trade). Its a low figure by many accounts but it helps me manage my risk well (I didnt when I started, wiping my account 3 times before learnig less is more for my trading style). Currently exceeding my 10% / week profit target but it will get harder as the ballance increases and my required pips move into the 100+/ week range.

I trade live when possible (meaning I watch the trade and a live account) so when enetring the trade I will set a very tight stop 2-10pips and a limit at 25-50 pips area (profit/loss 1:2+). If the trade is going well I will manualy move the stop to break even or into the profit zone and extend the limit for a little more if the trend is very strong. Once I'm through the 50pip zone on profit I will not move my Limit (usually 55-60ish) and will often manualy leave the trade.

If they trade is looking iffy I will pull the pin early with any profit I have.

Once I have left the trade I will not go back in on that particular trend no matter how strong it is or how long it lasts (Important for me as this was an area that caused me to lose a lot of money perviously) but look for the setup on one of the other currency peers I follow.
Looking to be a better trader
 
 
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  • Jan 5, 2012 6:05pm Jan 5, 2012 6:05pm
  •  Forexnuts
  • | Joined Nov 2011 | Status: Member | 1,160 Posts
Going to go with balance,
 
 
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  • Jan 10, 2012 10:06am Jan 10, 2012 10:06am
  •  jiggz
  • | Joined Oct 2011 | Status: Member | 439 Posts
it can be confusing when you think about everything that is involved, specially big wins and big loses. Keep it simple, don't think about how much you can gain as long as you are gaining. I hope I'm making sense. all the best
 
 
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  • Jan 10, 2012 10:20pm Jan 10, 2012 10:20pm
  •  forexpoor
  • | Joined Dec 2011 | Status: Member | 34 Posts
min risk will be best, used to set at last few candle high/low as it stop loss..
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2012 3:36am Jan 13, 2012 3:36am
  •  The Saint
  • | Joined Jan 2012 | Status: Member | 9 Posts
Balance every time, 1% of balance. I see this as a long-term career, and keeping risk per trade limited is a key component of long-term success, imho. Once it's working, the balance quickly gets big enough anyway!

ST
 
 
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  •  CoraLombard
  • | Additional Username | Joined Jul 2020 | 135 Posts
Risk is a common thing in the forex market. Every trader should make a good trading plan to minimize their risks.
 
 
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  • Dec 24, 2020 6:55am Dec 24, 2020 6:55am
  •  HisaoFujioka
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Our total risk should not be above 2%. Now it could be 2% in a single position or all the open positions. Some traders take 2% risk per trade then open 5 trade which becomes 10% risk. We should not do this type of mistakes.
 
 
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  • Dec 24, 2020 7:11am Dec 24, 2020 7:11am
  •  MarcoDresner
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Quoting HisaoFujioka
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Our total risk should not be above 2%. Now it could be 2% in a single position or all the open positions. Some traders take 2% risk per trade then open 5 trade which becomes 10% risk. We should not do this type of mistakes.
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I agree with you. I have seen many traders doing this. They can't control their greed. They want to make quick money with big lot and many opening positions but end up losing the money.
 
 
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  • Dec 24, 2020 9:39am Dec 24, 2020 9:39am
  •  SamGoi
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I think a 2% risk should be taken for trade. If money management is not followed, risk cannot be maintained.
 
 
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  • Dec 27, 2020 3:16pm Dec 27, 2020 3:16pm
  •  Robertstarc
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Practice is important but for that we need knowledge. Real practice happens when we apply our knowledge in practical. For that we need to study and research a lot.
 
 
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  •  Niels.Lar
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Quoting lop
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Actually, I use an absolute value. If I'm ok to lose $50 in a trade, I apply stop loss to lose $50 max.
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For me, it is a big loss in a trade. It is wise not to take more than 5% risk per trade.
 
 
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