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  • #3,361
  • Dec 21, 2011 6:02am Dec 21, 2011 6:02am
1.32 was a hit in price and time for venus sq jupiter.
  • #3,362
  • Edited 7:46am Dec 21, 2011 6:28am | Edited 7:46am
Quoting Sti
I'm still wondering about these vectors though, I mean, 3D vectors is a wide concept, what are they based on? a certain movement? Anyone cares to elaborate?
Its really simple.
Gann said that cycles repeat.
So take today's cycle for example, Venus-Jupiter.

One way to find the vector is to research the cycle and see how much price movement there was previously.
I went back a few cycles and average movement was 240 pips (more or less).
You take 240 pips and lay it down the different Gann lines to see where price support/resistance is.
I took the 2x1 Gann line since that seems to be the most important one in Forex.
But you really need to lay it over all angles. There is a shape for that called a circle that makes that much easier.
So, in the picture you see where time/price hit then 240 pips support area.

Now, sometimes the vector does not reach its target. That is because other aspects are working. Like tomorrow Sun-Uranus.
Gann called that "Loss of momentum".

What Gann did on a trade like this is "pyramid" trades.
Price hit 1.32. He used sq9 and shorted. Shorted again at 1.31 and again at 1.30 etc until vector was hit, each time moving his stop.

EDIT: So your price target is really: average price movement * gann angle (= vector.)
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  • #3,363
  • Dec 21, 2011 8:17am Dec 21, 2011 8:17am
Interesting, thank you very much!
  • #3,364
  • Dec 21, 2011 5:02pm Dec 21, 2011 5:02pm
In case anyone is wondering, where did I get the Venus-Jupiter match in price and time?

That was from the sq9 on the Bumasoft software, as on the picture.
The regular SQ9 does not give a match.

Buma also shows the aspect 3 degrees prior and after the square (270 degrees).
The price peak was after the aspect had occured, not on the exact time. But that can happen. Some cycles have a top/bottom several days after the aspect, like Sun-Jupiter.

Also, early december there was activity of a bigger cycle. Not a common one, any guesses?

Anyway, my last post for a while. I will be writing my book.
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  • #3,365
  • Dec 21, 2011 6:25pm Dec 21, 2011 6:25pm
Hi, all..... It's been a long while.

To give credit where it's due, or perhaps discredit undeserved, here is the normal SQ9 and circle of 24
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  • #3,366
  • Dec 21, 2011 6:49pm Dec 21, 2011 6:49pm
Herewith 1 more.

Just did some quick recap of recent posts. Have to say that I admire you guys' tenacity. This method, while it's fun and satisfactory as an intellectual pursuit, it's simply too much work for too little reward in trading, or perhaps put another way, there are other much easier ways to trade without all the hassle and uncertainty....
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  • #3,367
  • Dec 21, 2011 8:49pm Dec 21, 2011 8:49pm
Quoting Oshawa
Herewith 1 more.

there are other much easier ways to trade without all the hassle and uncertainty....
Hello Oshawa & all
If u dont mind then, can u please, tell some of them.

Thanks
  • #3,368
  • Dec 22, 2011 1:12am Dec 22, 2011 1:12am
Sun moves in to Capricorn aspecting Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn.

Fadic Ruler is Moon. Sq9 with London Session high of 1.3200? Low of 1.3090?
  • #3,369
  • Dec 22, 2011 1:35am Dec 22, 2011 1:35am
Quoting JR97
London Session high of 1.3200? Low of 1.3090?
Doing the same, but still aiming for 1.287'ish

I've also come to the conclusion that although I use different words, that my technique comes very close to a combination of the vector picture that ILovePippin showed and the recent double picture post of Oshawa.

So what happens is that I take the historic price movements for an event (although I am not breaking things down to seperate events, I hate the idea of aspects, I consider them to be just a natural result of the movements), combine these results and draw these combined price movements.

An event I define as: as many as possible similar occurances in the sky. So for example the discussed Venus-Jupiter, it happens more often that they square, but I take the historic price movement of this square in the exact same longitude (which is rare, so I orb it a bit wider to get a rough match)

Pairs of planets bring up a number of historic results, Triples (very rare for outer planets) bring up a very small but accurate number of results... etc.

Even though this technique has come to satisfy me, my issue has always been MetaTrader, and therefore decided to program it seperatly. Having said that, I have come to use a history for EURUSD including the ECU history from 1978 - 1998. Because the correlation is such that: the larger the history - the more accurate your forecast.

Still looking for a broker with a ticker that has massive history files for it. preferrable something with volatility and in the lower $ range, because Gold is just to expensive to do intraday-intraweek. Perhaps any suggestions?
  • #3,370
  • Dec 22, 2011 1:58am Dec 22, 2011 1:58am
Just as food for thought, the technique I am using as an implication: price can never be somewhere, when it is not the right time. It is the opposite of what Gann said that price=time.

Take a look at this year for example, where has price been above 1.32? [EDIT: I said 1.30, I meant of course 1.32, Freudian slip]
right from the spring until the winter. It's not a rule, because it is not just the Sun that matters, but the idea means a lot.
  • #3,371
  • Dec 22, 2011 2:03am Dec 22, 2011 2:03am
And my 100th post, you guys ain't fed up with me yet?
  • #3,372
  • Dec 22, 2011 3:49am Dec 22, 2011 3:49am
Quoting for_u_abcdef
Hello Oshawa & all
If u dont mind then, can u please, tell some of them.

Thanks
The secret is all in yourself. The pleasant or unpleasant reality is almost all systems work, if executed and managed properly.

I am not kidding, even the most derided systems with simple/conventional indicators can work wonderfully, if you use conservative position sizing and take profit etc proper trade management stuff. I dare say it because that's how I made my truckload as a newbie. Then I started wanting to predict the market, wanting to get in at a better price, wanting to go for a bigger target and so sit through retracement etc.... all hell broke loose.

Let the market show its hands, you ONLY follow. It is a pure game of psychology.
  • #3,373
  • Dec 22, 2011 4:25am Dec 22, 2011 4:25am
Quoting Oshawa
The secret is all in yourself. The pleasant or unpleasant reality is almost all systems work, if executed and managed properly.

I am not kidding, even the most derided systems with simple/conventional indicators can work wonderfully, if you use conservative position sizing and take profit etc proper trade management stuff. I dare say it because that's how I made my truckload as a newbie. [b]Then I started wanting to predict the market, wanting to get in at a better price, wanting to go for a bigger target and so sit through retracement etc.......

talk about it. the predicting is useless, its the reaction to what is going on is what we need to accomplish and execute.

the proper way imo of cycle trading on either static cycles or sq9 or fib bar counts is to wait for bar to close. i kept on going short on dow once and got SL hit 5 times. didnt wait for bar to close. thats how silly i was. its about how the bar ends.

and it wasnt about the cycle lines WILL turn price. most of the time it does, even for only 1 bar. i use price ation and sup/dem zones coinciding with fan angles to see where posible turns can happen. not WILL happen.its market sentiment that needs to be used to help us take a trade. i dont mean looking at news just price and ur charts show alot more than u think.
like few hours ago i had cycle hit in usdcad price falling into time it rose for 1 bar then it dropped. that is a retracement from the trend. with logic one can EASILIY see that, but for a greedy fcuk u can just see it as price WILL turn.

cycle trading is not the easiest at all, but can be the most rewarding i am glad i am still learning from everyone here and feel that im improving. so please everyone keep posting, i have open ears.

nice post mate very well put.


Its not about knwing what will happen, its about reacting correctly when the time is right.
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #3,374
  • Dec 22, 2011 4:28am Dec 22, 2011 4:28am
Strange that you mention this Buma, because: What is a bar close? My bars for sure look different than yours, and planets really do not stop at any point in time. ie.: there are no bars

[matrix mode on]
Once you realize this, then you understand that it is not the bar that closes, but you.
[matrix mode off]
  • #3,375
  • Dec 22, 2011 4:54am Dec 22, 2011 4:54am
Quoting Sti
Strange that you mention this Buma, because: What is a bar close? My bars for sure look different than yours, and planets really do not stop at any point in time. ie.: there are no bars

[matrix mode on]
Once you realize this, then you understand that it is not the bar that closes, but you.
[matrix mode off]

well to me a signal is where the bar fuly closes and all the activity of that particular time is gauged.

LOL matrix hahaa...

i close i open.. okay LOL
got u thanks sti
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #3,376
  • Dec 22, 2011 5:51am Dec 22, 2011 5:51am
Quoting JR97
Sun moves in to Capricorn aspecting Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn.

Fadic Ruler is Moon. Sq9 with London Session high of 1.3200? Low of 1.3090?
nope. Other low is 1.303 but I didn't think it would get there but it is.
  • #3,377
  • Dec 22, 2011 6:21am Dec 22, 2011 6:21am
Quoting JR97
nope. Other low is 1.303 but I didn't think it would get there but it is.
or 1.301.. I didn't expect that spoke of the wheel. but makes sense now.... after the fact.
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  • #3,378
  • Dec 22, 2011 6:32am Dec 22, 2011 6:32am
Quoting Oshawa
The secret is all in yourself. The pleasant or unpleasant reality is almost all systems work, if executed and managed properly.

I am not kidding, even the most derided systems with simple/conventional indicators can work wonderfully, if you use conservative position sizing and take profit etc proper trade management stuff. I dare say it because that's how I made my truckload as a newbie. Then I started wanting to predict the market, wanting to get in at a better price, wanting to go for a bigger target and so sit through retracement etc.......
Yes. I've said this a billion times myself. But also that this isn't about predicting the future. It's waiting for the future to arrive and trading accordingly. With this astro stuff or any forecasting method for that matter, it should be about building a case based on stats/probabilities and of historic performance and going from there. No different than any other methods be it wavy line lagging indicators, elliot wave patterns, fibs, pivot lines, whatever.

As I've also said before, the real game is 2:1 or better. I just need an entry and target. If the market correlated to my neighbor's dog pooping on my lawn I'd chart that too if the historic correlation could be substantiated.
  • #3,379
  • Dec 22, 2011 6:56am Dec 22, 2011 6:56am
Quoting Sti
And my 100th post, you guys ain't fed up with me yet?
quite the opposite. You need to post more.

let's put this in perspective:

sti: 100 posts in 1 3/4 years.
jr97: 962 posts in 6 3/4 years
bumpa: 6660 posts in 4 months.
  • #3,380
  • Dec 22, 2011 8:24am Dec 22, 2011 8:24am
LMAO both previous posts (dog, Buma)

I'm SORRY Buma :-) please forgive me for laughing! RESPECT!
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