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  • #2,841
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:09pm Dec 1, 2011 7:09pm
Quoting Blackeagle
I don't know where you did find 5 signals on EJ. Max. you could have was 4 and we discussed today that the first one may be an invalid signal due to close above/below 89 EMA issue. Personally, I didn't take that one. Second one was a winner, third one was a loser and fourth one came at 16:10 GMT, just before London close and you could avoid that by using a common sense (did you expect some volatility/momentum just before close, unrealistic). So, it was a breakeven day for EJ.

The other thing is that you list 3 losers, 2 winners and put -40.5 pips...
Nice catch, it was a typo should be only 4 trades 1 winner 3 losers for the EJ, when did the last EJ trade close for you in GMT? It seemed like mine closed at 22:09 GMT (00:09 on my broker's time (GMT + 2)) but price never reach that level when i look at chart
  • #2,842
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:12pm Dec 1, 2011 7:12pm
also keep in mind no system is perfect...
we will have looses.. and will have loosing days... there is when smart moneymanagement and risk control comes in play.
the system is designed to bring you profits on the long run...
and a long run is longer than 24 hours .. demo trade it for a month ore 2, try to demotrade on a broker like alpari so you will have ure charts like most of us do, and after that make an assumption.
  • #2,843
  • Edited 7:39pm Dec 1, 2011 7:13pm | Edited 7:39pm
Quoting johnjwong
Figure it will be easier if we do it like this:
EU: 2 losers 2 winners: -25+20+20-25 = -10

EJ: 3 losers 2 winners: -21.2 + 20.7 - 20 - 20 = - 40.5

AU: 2 BE + 1, 1 loser: 1 + 1 - 20 = -18
Total pips: -68.5

First pic: EU
2nd pic: EJ Notice how the last trade closed at -20 pips however, on the chart the price didnt really meet there... i hate this broker discrepancies.. please tell me what you guys did on the last EJ trade today
3rd pic: 1 of the trade should be -20 instead of BE + 1, I entered late and went in on a good price below the correct...

I really dont know how you found 5 trades EJ today.

I see 3 trades on my charts

so dont think your very bold statement lost 68.5 pips is true

The first trade in EJ would not been triggered for me. because we had a SAR.
so the rigt place to place that order would not be on the yellow line. But 3 pips below
the new candle that close below89 ema. and I dont know if it would trigger you.

so for me EJ would be a BE day.

Peter
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  • #2,844
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:32pm Dec 1, 2011 7:32pm
Quoting fratelli
I really dont know how you found 5 trades EJ today.

I see 3 trades on my charts

so dont think your very bold statement lost 68.5 pips is true

Peter
My bold statement is true, I made a typo by the no. of winners or losers but the pip account is correct. The typo is not 2 winners 3 losers but 1 winners 3 losers. I counted 1 more winner accidentally. I made the last entry because I figure the signal was received at the close of the last bar in the time period, so I took it.

Let's face it, we have a bad day today and yesterday. I think we all should have approximately the same pip summary for today no? I was lucky that I took a BE on the AU cuz I entered late. Hopefully our results get better soon.
  • #2,845
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:33pm Dec 1, 2011 7:33pm
Quoting fratelli
I dont know how to read this.

but how many trades did you took in EU today.?

and how did thry went out.

if possible please show your entrys on a chart

Peter
Hi Peter,
here are some EU charts for 1th December with different settings or indicators:
1) Your chart (I marked with A The trade you didn't took and B/C your second winner)
2) Supertrend candles original (multiplier 1.7) 2 loss 1 win
3) Supertrend candles original (multiplier 3.0) 2 loss 2 win
4) Fratelli V1 - 1 loss 1 win
5) Fratelli V2 - 1 loss 1 win

As you can see there are many differences.... so, many people took trades, other didn't took, some won and some loose.....

I saw there has been many complaints all day long about it. I suggest stop trading for tomorrow and try to resolve the problem... It couldn't be only a Broker feed problem... This is a mechanical system nd can not work for some and not for others, because of technical issues. You eliminated second guessing....but until now we haven't an affordable supertrend candle...
Otherwise we risk to damage the whole thread & system. I like this system so much and I never would it to happen.
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  • #2,846
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:35pm Dec 1, 2011 7:35pm
Quoting johnjwong
Nice catch, it was a typo should be only 4 trades 1 winner 3 losers for the EJ, when did the last EJ trade close for you in GMT? It seemed like mine closed at 22:09 GMT (00:09 on my broker's time (GMT + 2)) but price never reach that level when i look at chart
19:50 GMT bar when bar colour changed to green. But, again, you shouldn't have taken this last trade as it was too late in the day to have a momentum (this is where common sense and experience come forward). So normally you should have either 2 or 3 trades on EJ today depending on how you interpret the first signal (as far as I can see from his chart, Peter counts the first one as a valid trade, so EJ result should be -20 pips). I did not take it because my interpretation was that after I got a signal at 7:50 GMT next couple of bars closed above 89 EMA and then it closed below it again at 8:20 GMT bar. So when price closed above 89 EMA, I thought all conditions were not met anymore and I cancelled my order and then when price closed below it again, I put my pending order again, this time below 8:20 GMT bar and luckily it wasn't triggered. But again this was my interpretation and some people did the same while others kept their PO below 7:50 GMT bar and they got filled. So I believe this is a "open to discussion" issue, but isn't that important and will have minor effect on the results in the long run.

Hope this helps,
Regards,
Blackeagle
  • #2,847
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:38pm Dec 1, 2011 7:38pm
Quoting Aztrader2
Hi Peter,
here are some EU charts for 1th December with different settings or indicators:
1) Your chart
2) Supertrend candles original (multiplier 1.7)
3) Supertrend candles original (multiplier 3.0)
4) Fratelli V1
5) Fratelli V2

As you can see there are many differences.... so, many people took trades, other didn't took, some won and some loose.....

I saw there has been many complaints all day long about it. I suggest stop trading for tomorrow and try to resolve the problem... It couldn't be only a Broker feed problem... This is a mechanical...
You're right, Ill stop trading and will resume on monday or later, after we get things straight with the indicators.
  • #2,848
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:39pm Dec 1, 2011 7:39pm
Quoting Blackeagle
19:50 GMT bar when bar colour changed to green. But, again, you shouldn't have taken this last trade as it was too late in the day to have a momentum (this is where common sense and experience come forward). So normally you should have either 2 or 3 trades on EJ today depending on how you interpret the first signal (as far as I can see from his chart, Peter counts the first one as a valid trade, so EJ result should be -20 pips). I did not take it because my interpretation was that after I got a signal at 7:50 GMT next couple of bars closed above...
Well explained, thanks. I missed out on the color changing to green part, must be too tired in the day. Nice catch.
  • #2,849
  • Dec 1, 2011 7:59pm Dec 1, 2011 7:59pm
all boys here, there is nothing much i think we should worry about. 1.7 or 3.0, I don't see much problem here. back to the beginning of this thread where Peter just introduced this system, the system is using 1.7 and it seems profitable. 3.0 could be a refined version and show higher profit ratio. So, don't worry much. Let the experts find out which set is the better. At the mean time, I don't think either one is loser setting.
  • #2,850
  • Dec 1, 2011 9:48pm Dec 1, 2011 9:48pm
Quoting Blackeagle
19:50 GMT bar when bar colour changed to green. But, again, you shouldn't have taken this last trade as it was too late in the day to have a momentum (this is where common sense and experience come forward). So normally you should have either 2 or 3 trades on EJ today depending on how you interpret the first signal (as far as I can see from his chart, Peter counts the first one as a valid trade, so EJ result should be -20 pips). I did not take it because my interpretation was that after I got a signal at 7:50 GMT next couple of bars closed above...

you are right about that the signal was not valid from the yellow line.
but after we saw a SAR setup we put new pending order.
But I cought it as a looser, but I was not triggered in on that short.
but different fees can take you in, I dont know.

Peter
  • #2,851
  • Dec 1, 2011 10:04pm Dec 1, 2011 10:04pm
Quoting fratelli
you are right about that the signal was not valid from the yellow line.
but after we saw a SAR setup we put new pending order.
But I cought it as a looser, but I was not triggered in on that short.
but different fees can take you in, I dont know.

Peter
Hi
What is SAR setup in this? "after we saw a SAR setup we put new pending order"

If it is built-in in Fratelli, never mind the question.

Thanks
  • #2,852
  • Dec 1, 2011 10:06pm Dec 1, 2011 10:06pm
Quoting fxmate
Hi
What is SAR setup in this? "after we saw a SAR setup we put new pending order"

If it is built-in in Fratelli, never mind the question.

Thanks

Please read the PDF. file

Peter
  • #2,853
  • Dec 2, 2011 1:22am Dec 2, 2011 1:22am
I think the more we should trade today to let thesystem work out as it hard to backtest.
  • #2,854
  • Dec 2, 2011 1:52am Dec 2, 2011 1:52am
Hi People,

Can anyone send indies and template for fratelli?
Good Hunting!
  • #2,855
  • Dec 2, 2011 1:57am Dec 2, 2011 1:57am
Quoting fratelli
I really dont know how you found 5 trades EJ today.

I see 3 trades on my charts

so dont think your very bold statement lost 68.5 pips is true

The first trade in EJ would not been triggered for me. because we had a SAR.
so the rigt place to place that order would not be on the yellow line. But 3 pips below
the new candle that close below89 ema. and I dont know if it would trigger you.

so for me EJ would be a BE day.

Peter
Thanks for clearing this up, that was subject of a very long debate yesterday...
Now we know that PO should have been cancelled.
  • #2,856
  • Dec 2, 2011 1:58am Dec 2, 2011 1:58am
Quoting Arokh Dark
Hi People,

Can anyone send indies and template for fratelli?
Dear Trade,

You need go to page one and start read and if you be on last page, then there not be any question and you will have all templates and indicators. So, good luck and take your time!
  • #2,857
  • Dec 2, 2011 2:05am Dec 2, 2011 2:05am
Anyone in??

I am long AU, EU and EJ...
  • #2,858
  • Dec 2, 2011 2:05am Dec 2, 2011 2:05am
Quoting x58
Dear Trade,

You need go to page one and start read and if you be on last page, then there not be any question and you will have all templates and indicators. So, good luck and take your time!

Great thanks to you holy man...
Good Hunting!
  • #2,859
  • Dec 2, 2011 2:13am Dec 2, 2011 2:13am
Quoting Olarion1975
Anyone in??

I am long AU, EU and EJ...
Yup sure am
  • #2,860
  • Dec 2, 2011 2:15am Dec 2, 2011 2:15am
good morning everibody ....

i see some of you taking trades... be aware of NFP today please ....

on the other hand, let`s catch some green pips
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