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  • #2,221
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:39am Nov 29, 2011 11:39am
Quoting Gleneagles
Edit: I use the Supertrend indicator instead of the ST candles for the simple reason that it is easier to backtest.
i know you helped with some backtesting and coming to the conclusion that high/lowof candle is better than uperside/downside of the supertrend candlebody ...

My question to you is this...

if you used supertrend indy for youre test , can you please tell me were you buying at close of bar +4 pips and selling at close of bar - 3pips?
  • #2,222
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:41am Nov 29, 2011 11:41am
Quoting Aztrader2
No hysteria about repainting here bro...... no need to be sarcastic...

That was just to understand If & Why candles repaint and, in such cases,
how could it have affect backtesting....
As you could have seen, we all here contribute marking eventually noticed technical issue with the sole purpose of better knoweledge and fine tuning the system.

I'm trading Fratelli Live, and today made 60 pips (6%). We don't change the TF of our charts cause we trade on 10min offline... and what counts for us is the signal during live trading....

btw. ma's...
Erm, yeah, OK, whatever ...
  • #2,223
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:41am Nov 29, 2011 11:41am
Quoting Aztrader2
Colors remained the same til now....

I took the first screenshot because I had the suspect that color could change...
(Today I was testing other systems using Fratelli's candles. Incidentally, when I changed TF it seemed to me that some candle changed color. But I wasn't focused on the color, so I couldn't be sure..... )

ok, can you now open a fresh 5 mins eu chart , apply the main indy and screenshoot that zone again. Thank you
  • #2,224
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:42am Nov 29, 2011 11:42am
Quoting Aztrader2
Colors remained the same til now....

I took the first screenshot because I had the suspect that color could change...
(Today I was testing other systems using Fratelli's candles. Incidentally, when I changed TF it seemed to me that some candle changed color. But I wasn't focused on the color, so I couldn't be sure..... )
Hmmm the reply seems a bit suspect to me u just happaned to take a screenshot at exactly the right time on a suspicion hmmm


I beem watching this new indi for over week now. Have not seem.it repaint and no one else either by looks of it amd we got lots of eyes.using fratelli now
  • #2,225
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:45am Nov 29, 2011 11:45am
Quoting MickyMouse
ok, can you now open a fresh 5 mins eu chart , apply the main indy and screenshoot that zone again. Thank you
Here you go bro...
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  • #2,226
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:46am Nov 29, 2011 11:46am
Quoting MickyMouse
i know you helped with some backtesting and coming to the conclusion that high/lowof candle is better than uperside/downside of the supertrend candlebody ...

My question to you is this...

if you used supertrend indy for youre test , can you please tell me were you buying at close of bar +4 pips and selling at close of bar - 3pips?
I used +2 and -2 , +3 and -3 , +4 and -4 on normal candlesticks during the first run

I took a sample from each run and compared it to ST candles (visually) to confirm
" Never let the past hold the future to ransom "
  • #2,227
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:47am Nov 29, 2011 11:47am
Please everybody who is involved it this

Repaint.

and the backtest.

could I ask you to be a fast in reply, because this is importen.

thanks

Peter
  • #2,228
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:48am Nov 29, 2011 11:48am
Quoting Aztrader2
Here you go bro...
also one last request, look in youre journal if around that moment in time you experienced and disconect, ore old tick ore something like that from you`re broker
  • #2,229
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:49am Nov 29, 2011 11:49am
Quoting Gleneagles
I used +2 and -2 , +3 and -3 , +4 and -4 on normal candlesticks during the first run

I took a sample from each run and compared it to ST candles (visually) to confirm
my question was
were u using close of bar + 4 pips ? yes/no?

were you using close of bar ore open of bar?
  • #2,230
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:50am Nov 29, 2011 11:50am
Quoting deankenny21
Hmmm the reply seems a bit suspect to me u just happaned to take a screenshot at exactly the right time on a suspicion hmmm


I beem watching this new indi for over week now. Have not seem.it repaint and no one else either by looks of it amd we got lots of eyes.using fratelli now
Hey bro...... "Suspect"...? Do you really think so about me...?
Are you forgetting I'm one of the firsts supporting this thread? Also before you?

I saw a thing, I documented it and I asked to people who is more skilled than me what does it mean... That's all!!
Instead of thanks...I got blame...!?! That's incredible.....
Waiting for your excuses......
  • #2,231
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:53am Nov 29, 2011 11:53am
Quoting Aztrader2
Hey bro...... "Suspect"...? Do you really think so about me...?
Are you forgetting I'm one of the firsts supporting this thread? Also before you?

I saw a thing, I documented it and I asked to people who is more skilled than me what does it mean... That's all!!
Instead of thanks...I got blame...!?! That's incredible.....
Waiting for your excuses......
Sorry just looked suspect with a pic from back in time at the.exact.right place lol

Anyway if ur on alpari then alpari suffered mahor data issues today and had to restart most if not all thier servers
  • #2,232
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:53am Nov 29, 2011 11:53am
Quoting MickyMouse
my question was
were u using close of bar + 4 pips ? yes/no?

were you using close of bar ore open of bar?
I used close ...yes

First run

Second run highs/lows
" Never let the past hold the future to ransom "
  • #2,233
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:53am Nov 29, 2011 11:53am
Quoting Aztrader2
Hey bro...... "Suspect"...? Do you really think so about me...?
Are you forgetting I'm one of the firsts supporting this thread? Also before you?

I saw a thing, I documented it and I asked to people who is more skilled than me what does it mean... That's all!!
Instead of thanks...I got blame...!?! That's incredible.....
Waiting for your excuses......
i am now in the backtester recreating the situation on alpari uk ....
if it happened, i will investigate...
  • #2,234
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:55am Nov 29, 2011 11:55am
Quoting Aztrader2
Hey bro...... "Suspect"...? Do you really think so about me...?
Are you forgetting I'm one of the firsts supporting this thread? Also before you?

I saw a thing, I documented it and I asked to people who is more skilled than me what does it mean... That's all!!
Instead of thanks...I got blame...!?! That's incredible.....
Waiting for your excuses......

I dont hope it was so Dean mean it.
I can tell you I dont in anyway think supect about you.
this system is too importen for me to think so off people who try help here.


so lets get back on track and see if we have a problem

Peter
  • #2,235
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:56am Nov 29, 2011 11:56am
Quoting Gleneagles
I used close ...yes

First run

Second run highs/lows
original system was using uper body, lower body of the supertrend candles...

upper body (can be open ore close ) lower body(can be open ore close)

so ure back-test on initial setup is eronated.

sorry ...

Don`t get me wrong.... please. I am very gratefull for all youre effort . But is wrong to use only close of bar.
and is wrong to change all rules because of an backtest that is not correct
  • #2,236
  • Nov 29, 2011 11:57am Nov 29, 2011 11:57am
Quoting MickyMouse
also one last request, look in youre journal if around that moment in time you experienced and disconect, ore old tick ore something like that from you`re broker
Here is the journal
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  • #2,237
  • Nov 29, 2011 12:03pm Nov 29, 2011 12:03pm
Quoting MickyMouse
original system was using uper body, lower body of the supertrend candles...

upper body (can be open ore close ) lower body(can be open ore close)

so ure back-test on initial setup is eronated.

sorry ...

Don`t get me wrong.... please. I am very gratefull for all youre effort . But is wrong to use only close of bar.
Compared to normal candlesticks the entries from highs/lows will always produce a better result than taking it from "upper/lower" body , if my backtest is wrong as applied to ST candles ...apologies

If you feel that the original method was still better , please ignore the previous paragraph.
" Never let the past hold the future to ransom "
  • #2,238
  • Nov 29, 2011 12:06pm Nov 29, 2011 12:06pm
Quoting Gleneagles
Compared to normal candlesticks the entries from highs/lows will always produce a better result than taking it from "upper/lower" body , if my backtest is wrong as applied to ST candle ...apologies

If you feel that the original method was still better , please ignore the previous paragraph.
Ok things gotreally messed up now, are we entering using low and high of.a.candle.or the close like original
  • #2,239
  • Nov 29, 2011 12:06pm Nov 29, 2011 12:06pm
Quoting Aztrader2
Here is the journal
may i ask, do you still have the original 2 screenshoots that you take.
i do assume u took full screenshots .
can u please attach them
thank you
  • #2,240
  • Nov 29, 2011 12:06pm Nov 29, 2011 12:06pm
Quoting fratelli
I dont hope it was so Dean mean it.
I can tell you I dont in anyway think supect about you.
this system is too importen for me to think so off people who try help here.


so lets get back on track and see if we have a problem

Peter
As you already know I care for this system and for your great job....
I just try to help as I can... and if I see something unexpected or I don't understand, I report it into the thread....

Anyway, I don't care if there's this minor technical isssue..... System is good and I'm trading it.
E.g. today I took the second trade long on EU (lost 10 pips) against all odds (4 ha top channel, top range for the day and so on....), just because I wanna trade it as is.. following your rules until YOU eventually change it.
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