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  • #1,741
  • Nov 26, 2011 10:31am Nov 26, 2011 10:31am
if (trend[i]==1) {
TrendUp[i]= dn[i];
BarUp[i] = High[i];
BarDown[i] = Low[i];
if (Close[i] > Open[i]){
BarUpo[i] = Close[i];
BarDownc[i] = Open[i];
}
if (Close[i] < Open[i]){
BarUpo[i] = Open[i];
BarDownc[i] = Close[i];
}

if (changeOfTrend == 1) {
TrendUp[i+1] = TrendDown[i+1];
changeOfTrend = 0;
}

altough " TrendUp[i+1] = TrendDown[i+1];" can modify last value, the buffers , " BarUpo[i] = Close[i];
BarDownc[i] = Open[i];"
can only draw current bar
  • #1,742
  • Nov 26, 2011 12:03pm Nov 26, 2011 12:03pm
Right -- but TrendUp and TrendDown are the indicator buffers, aren't they? So changing TrendUp[i+1] changes the previous bar, which would be bar[1] in realtime, so aren't you changing the closed / painted color of bar 1? More importantly, when looking at historic charts, aren't you changing the bar after it's closed, so you don't see what you would have seen in realtime?

Like I said, I haven't figured out all of MT4's tricks and secrets especially around repainting and realtime behavior, so I may be all wrong. But it sure looks like a problem to me...
  • #1,743
  • Nov 26, 2011 12:06pm Nov 26, 2011 12:06pm
we use the candles , "SuperTrendCandles" not the "SuperTrend" indy , so there is no redrawing, repainting element on the candles . We use the candles for the trading.
  • #1,744
  • Nov 26, 2011 4:22pm Nov 26, 2011 4:22pm
Quoting fratelli
Hi

Please bear with me.

I will come back with update before marked open

we are working like crazy this weekend with some more test.

We also work very hard making new indikators for this setup.
those new indikators really save CPU power on computers.

But please it takes many huors off work.

So until I finish with all I will not answer any quistions.

Hope you understand.

Peter
yes yes you're right ..
I just read something about it and I thought you had already posted..
I'll wait.. have a good job!
  • #1,745
  • Nov 26, 2011 4:32pm Nov 26, 2011 4:32pm
Quoting fratelli
I have not put you on my ignore list, thats for sure.

And given you can type here, also tells me that you not on my ignore list.

But if you have ay problems, please tell me and I will try solve them with admins.

Have a nice weekend

Peter
Quite right Peter, I'll ignore the ignore!

Cheers
  • #1,746
  • Nov 26, 2011 4:52pm Nov 26, 2011 4:52pm
Peter or Mickey, any solutions here? Prior to 10th of October all my candles are green! I'm using indies and template from the latest zip file and this is what I get...

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  • #1,747
  • Nov 26, 2011 5:02pm Nov 26, 2011 5:02pm
Quoting pedross
Peter or Mickey, any solutions here? Prior to 10th of October all my candles are green! I'm using indies and template from the latest zip file and this is what I get...

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check in the indicators, the candles indicator, what is the value of bars? is it bigger than 300

also delete that indy, reatach it to the chart ( the supertrendcandlesmod) indi and set bars value to 2000 . see if that helps.
  • #1,748
  • Nov 26, 2011 6:15pm Nov 26, 2011 6:15pm
Thanks for your reply mickey, I have tried all that you have suggested but no change. I've even done a fresh platform install from two different providers and still no change! I know MT4 pretty well and can't get my head around this one.

Pete
  • #1,749
  • Nov 26, 2011 6:51pm Nov 26, 2011 6:51pm
Quoting pedross
Thanks for your reply mickey, I have tried all that you have suggested but no change. I've even done a fresh platform install from two different providers and still no change! I know MT4 pretty well and can't get my head around this one.

Pete
I dont know why
But it also do that on mine.
I think it has to with you go long time back on charts
I did that when I backtested I put the supertrend.mod
on my charts with same settings as the trendcandles.

That way I always know if I had green or red candles.

Peter
  • #1,750
  • Nov 26, 2011 7:01pm Nov 26, 2011 7:01pm
we finish with making new rules.
we finish with making our own new indys for this strategy.

I can tell that the new coding wil save around 67% power from your CPU.
So we dont hope we will have any speed problems in the future.

we also made 3 new different template for you. So now you can those what suit you the best.

There has been done more testing and changing off the rules.

So if somebody still want to trade this please come back later for the update.

I attach a snek peak look at 3 diff. setup so you can see them

Peter
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  • #1,751
  • Nov 26, 2011 8:29pm Nov 26, 2011 8:29pm
I do not want to spoil a party or people that want to create or improve something. On the contrary. Many eyes and brains are stronger then one pair of eyes or a single brain.

BUT...

I have seen over the last 5-6 years SOOOO many topics that started with the following posting: I have traded this system for quite a long period OR I checked out this system for quite a long time OR backtested this system for quite a long period OR I traded this system for several months or years and it is VERY profitable.....then they continue with: I am sharing this system with all of you (how nice am I -- yep I am a very nice guy)... but have a look to my system and share your thoughts or ideas if you feel you could improve this system.

AND

Before one knows and read over the pages that follows that first posting then that system that was claimed to be so profitable has changed and several indicator are replaced and when one reads over that certain topic that claimed to be so profitable for so many months, became a completaly different system....

CONCLUSION

In the first posting one claimed that this system was VERY good and with the changes that were made over the hundreds of pages then this system can only be a SUPERSYSTEM.

Moral of the story

Or is this SUPERSYSTEM like the repainting element that a Super Trend indicator has and that is that one can never trust the outcome because the system is nearly changing after every day that it made losses. OR if this system was so good like the first posting claimed, why does it need to be changed... never change a winning formula
But don't forget that one can never change a pile of shit into a pie.

Not that I mean that this is a shitty system but the moment it has discretionary elements then 99% of the people can forget about this system. If the rules are 100% mechanical then an EA (hat MickeyMouse can program) will give proof of the profability of this system.

Friendly regards... FXiGoR
  • #1,752
  • Nov 26, 2011 8:48pm Nov 26, 2011 8:48pm
That sounds a bit harsh after all the work that some people have put in.

If you just said that you have to be careful that you don't change the system to fit the curve then that would be understandable and more acceptable. I'm sure those involved know that very well.
  • #1,753
  • Edited Nov 27, 2011 12:02am Nov 26, 2011 9:26pm | Edited Nov 27, 2011 12:02am
Quoting handy148
That sounds a bit harsh after all the work that some people have put in.

If you just said that you have to be careful that you don't change the system to fit the curve then that would be understandable and more acceptable. I'm sure those involved know that very well.
One of the quotes that Lenin made (not that i am a follower or fan of him) if you want to make an ommelette you need to break eggs...

Meaning I did not have any intention to sound harsh... I only want to put my finger on the wound...


Friendly regards.. FXiGoR

PS. Don't forget that I said that if the rules are 100% mechanical an EA will show the results in a reliable way and I really hope that this will help the people that have made a lot of contributions.
BUT if the rules change every day (that were claimed to be VERY good in the first posting --only 2weeks ago) then this will be a system that like many others (because the outcome will never be known), will die in a soft way because no proof of profibilaty can be delivered.
  • #1,754
  • Nov 26, 2011 9:55pm Nov 26, 2011 9:55pm
Quoting garyfritz
Peter & crew, I was just looking at some of the indicator code, intending to translate it to TradeStation. (I know that platform better and I trust it to not play repainting games &etc.)

In SuperTrend I noticed a potential problem: when you're on bar i and notice a trend change, it changes the indicator value for bar i+1. Meaning it "changes its mind" and changes a value that had already been plotted:
[code]//-- Draw the indicator
if (trend[i]==1) {
TrendUp[i]=dn[i];
if (changeOfTrend == 1) {
TrendUp[i+1] = TrendDown[i+1];...
Its not change of mind and nothing else. This code is just to fill the gap between two lines(Green and red). When trend changes from bear to bull, the indicator is need to draw green line. As red line finish at previous bar and green line starts at the current bar so both lines have a little gap and this line of code is just use to fill that gap. So you just need to check the current bar for the trend. Hope you understood
  • #1,755
  • Nov 26, 2011 10:42pm Nov 26, 2011 10:42pm
Quoting fratelli
we finish with making new rules.
we finish with making our own new indys for this strategy.

I can tell that the new coding wil save around 67% power from your CPU.
So we dont hope we will have any speed problems in the future.

we also made 3 new different template for you. So now you can those what suit you the best.

There has been done more testing and changing off the rules.

So if somebody still want to trade this please come back later for the update.

I attach a snek peak look at 3 diff. setup so you can see them

Peter
Nice work, looking forward to test the new rules.
  • #1,756
  • Nov 26, 2011 11:31pm Nov 26, 2011 11:31pm
Quoting kijkij
Its not change of mind and nothing else. This code is just to fill the gap between two lines(Green and red). When trend changes from bear to bull, the indicator is need to draw green line. As red line finish at previous bar and green line starts at the current bar so both lines have a little gap and this line of code is just use to fill that gap. So you just need to check the current bar for the trend. Hope you understood
So just to be clear, it is a good idea to remove a clear indicator of trend change( i.e. the Gap) in a visual way--- just to make the Green and Red bars look PRETTY. I think not!

JustMyThought, KingHigh
  • #1,757
  • Nov 27, 2011 12:07am Nov 27, 2011 12:07am
Quoting FXiGoR
I do not want to spoil a party or people that want to create or improve something. On the contrary. Many eyes and brains are stronger then one pair of eyes or a single brain.

BUT...

I have seen over the last 5-6 years SOOOO many topics that started with the following posting: I have traded this system for quite a long period OR I checked out this system for quite a long time OR backtested this system for quite a long period OR I traded this system for several months or years and it is VERY profitable.....then they continue with: I am sharing this...
I fully agree with FXiGor. If the system works, why changing it. It only causes confusion. I have been looking at Sonic recently, looks like a great system, but almost every member has a different indies on the charts posted. If your system works, and you wish to educate others, please make set of rules, provide indies and tpl. and STICK TO THE SYSTEM.

Just my opinion. Hope, I don't get banned.
  • #1,758
  • Nov 27, 2011 1:03am Nov 27, 2011 1:03am
Quoting FXiGoR
I do not want to spoil a party or people that want to create or improve something. On the contrary. Many eyes and brains are stronger then one pair of eyes or a single brain.

BUT...

I have seen over the last 5-6 years SOOOO many topics that started with the following posting: I have traded this system for quite a long period OR I checked out this system for quite a long time OR backtested this system for quite a long period OR I traded this system for several months or years and it is VERY profitable.....then they continue with: I am sharing this...
hey FxiGor, welcome, the system has not changed, most of it is simply the appearence of it like the macd indicator, and because we are on 10min charts alot of people were having slowdown troubles with the indis, so we have had coders coding new smoother indis to run faster, the original system regarding the rules for entry etc is all the same.
  • #1,759
  • Nov 27, 2011 1:13am Nov 27, 2011 1:13am
Quoting FXiGoR
I do not want to spoil a party or people that want to create or improve something. On the contrary. Many eyes and brains are stronger then one pair of eyes or a single brain.

BUT...

I have seen over the last 5-6 years SOOOO many topics that started with the following posting: I have traded this system for quite a long period OR I checked out this system for quite a long time OR backtested this system for quite a long period OR I traded this system for several months or years and it is VERY profitable.....then they continue with: I am sharing this...
Thanks for coming here giving your opinion.

I can tell you that the only change off rules is the way we put in the PO
when a signal candle show up.
This is done because gleneagleas backtested around 16 month back on EU.
So by changing 1 rule with this system would give 9,4% more gain.
please see post 1698.
and that is it. I changed 1 rule all ohter rules are the same.

But we also saw threw this week that some off the indys we was using gave some problems.
Trendcandles could sometimes repaint 1 bar back. Solved.
Many people was talking about there computer was running slow when they use this system.
New indy save around 67% off cpu power.
We also had some problems reading the same on the MACD. there was a difference if you was on a 15 inch or 30 inch monitor.
So therefor we have made 2 new macd, which chould solve this problem.
and thats it.

And I have changed the time when to trade a bit. About time I did not see it as a rule it was a recommandations.

Hope some off this make sense.

Peter
  • #1,760
  • Nov 27, 2011 1:27am Nov 27, 2011 1:27am
Quoting eurodavid
I fully agree with FXiGor. If the system works, why changing it. It only causes confusion. I have been looking at Sonic recently, looks like a great system, but almost every member has a different indies on the charts posted. If your system works, and you wish to educate others, please make set of rules, provide indies and tpl. and STICK TO THE SYSTEM.

Just my opinion. Hope, I don't get banned.

Welcome here.

You will not get banned from this. I am happy when FF members comes by and give their opinion.

As to your observations on Sonic thread, I think you right people put on some indy they like better and so on. But I think its more about when traders have a loosing trade they will try the best to avoid that. then they find a indy that will solve their last lost by filter it out. Then all off sudden they get a new loosing trade. Go looking for a new filter to solve that loss.
This is going on and on, until the basic off the system is gone.
After my best opinion this is not the case here. 1 rule changed, and then a lot off hard work optimize the indys.

Many green pips to you.

Peter
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