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  • #241
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:15am Nov 22, 2011 2:15am
Quoting deankenny21
ahhhh i see then, so correct in saying there is no "REAL" signal on invictus, people are getting impatient with invictus and trading now at every green light rather than all rules met, might aswell trade naked lol.
Ah well i stick to the plan, and i will wait for valid arrows to appear and trade accordingly
I do not prefer any system!!
I prefer systems that brings me profit .
  • #242
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:16am Nov 22, 2011 2:16am
I wish people were honest in this world, people like that writing BS all day about how much they making doesnt help anybody, if your gonna brag about pips at least tell ppl how u made them with a screenshot and some guidance.

just look my supply and demand thread. Screenshots galore, with guidance and tips on all of them. Even BEFORE the trade happened

If not then dont make a thread at all!!
  • #243
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:24am Nov 22, 2011 2:24am
i feel sorry for the confused sheep with no clear guidance.

look at this guy posting, that he missed the "CLEAREST" and "FRESHEST" signals, well not the case, i thought that would be when everything was good to go and not ATR red, its a good system, just needs alot more guidance on all this discretion, like a maze over there, like for example, one day he trades lunch, next day he doesnt trade lunch, one day he stops at 5%, next day he somehow has 7.5%, one day he doesnt trade on news, next day he does trade news and wins. Confusing is an "understatement"


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Good morning all. I think I have to hit the office earlier in the morning... I have already missed something as I can see. The freshest and the cleanest signals come in the morning...

  • #244
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:41am Nov 22, 2011 2:41am
Here is picture of eu trade. I add arrows. Its realy not arrow there (I not use it) but if you look at atr that I add bellow you will see that atr was green for me at that time.
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  • #245
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:43am Nov 22, 2011 2:43am
Quoting kolesar007
Here is picture of eu trade. I add arrows. Its realy not arrow there (I not use it) but if you look at atr that I add bellow you will see that atr was green for me at that time.
yes ATR changed green i saw that, but it was "TOO LATE" the move was over, hence no signal, i will only trade when ALL RULES are met, meaning the arrow is in place, and more than 10 pips frm a pivot.

basically rules not met, so trade not valid.
  • #246
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:45am Nov 22, 2011 2:45am
My results today
invictus
eu -4
gu +4

Fratelli
ej +10
au +6
  • #247
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:46am Nov 22, 2011 2:46am
NOW i have a valid signal on GBPUSD on invictus, pivot is miles away, i have an arrow all rules met,

sell GU
  • #248
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:47am Nov 22, 2011 2:47am
already -17 pips on the invictus sell
  • #249
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:48am Nov 22, 2011 2:48am
Invictus Sell GU LOSER

-20 pips, ouch that was quick
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  • #250
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:50am Nov 22, 2011 2:50am
Quoting deankenny21
yes ATR changed green i saw that, but it was "TOO LATE" the move was over, hence no signal, i will only trade when ALL RULES are met, meaning the arrow is in place, and more than 10 pips frm a pivot.

basically rules not met, so trade not valid.
How do you mean too late?!
Previus candle was signal bar and I trade on brake of that bar high + 2 pip.

I post all my trades even lossers!
  • #251
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:51am Nov 22, 2011 2:51am
Quoting kolesar007
How do you mean too late?!
Previus candle was signal bar and I trade on brake of that bar high + 2 pip.

I post all my trades even lossers!
TOO LATE, the atr needs to be green on signal bar, so hence atr changed to late not creating a signal, if it wasnt too late then there would be an arrow like the GU sell i just had on invictus, im sorry but that trade was clearly against the rules, im happy u got pips, but for the clarity of this test, all rules " NEED TO BE MET"
  • #252
  • Nov 22, 2011 2:52am Nov 22, 2011 2:52am
so after the invictus loser, that brings todays totals so far to

Invictus

GU = -20

Total = -20


Fratelli

EU = +20
AU = +3.9

Total = +23.9
  • #253
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:06am Nov 22, 2011 3:06am
Quoting deankenny21
TOO LATE, the atr needs to be green on signal bar, so hence atr changed to late not creating a signal, if it wasnt too late then there would be an arrow like the GU sell i just had on invictus, im sorry but that trade was clearly against the rules, im happy u got pips, but for the clarity of this test, all rules " NEED TO BE MET"
I understand you but for me green atr means right signal?! Its not too late but right on time.
On GU I have pivot 5pips away as seen on the picture. I see that you have wrong pivot levels. You have right day open line level but wrong pivot levels. Your pivot starts I think 1hour ago.
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  • #254
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:07am Nov 22, 2011 3:07am
GIVE ME A FUC***G BREAK!!!!!!

another excuse for the loser, near the start udine said news over 30-60 mins away is ok as most trades last alot less than this

this loser, at the time i checked news and it was over 45 mins away!!!!! so plenty of time for trade toplay out

because its a loser we get this!!!!!!

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was there any reason not to take this one? pure looser? to close to the red news of G?

I was stopped -20p.



Too close to RED news

Udine
  • #255
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:10am Nov 22, 2011 3:10am
Quoting kolesar007
I understand you but for me green atr means right signal?! Its not too late but right on time.
On GU I have pivot 5pips away as seen on the picture. I see that you have wrong pivot levels. You have right day open line level but wrong pivot levels. Your pivot starts I think 1hour ago.
kolsar that pivot ur on about is 5 pips BELOW!!!!!!!!!!! pivot needs to be more than 10 pips above for a buy and the pivot above was over 60 pips away!!!!!! and no i have right pivot levels, im using the same broker as udine, his excuse for this loser was news wwhich was nearly an hour away!!! no mention of pivot because it met the rules

im sorry this was a pure loser with all rules met.
  • #256
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:15am Nov 22, 2011 3:15am
Quoting kolesar007
I understand you but for me green atr means right signal?! Its not too late but right on time.
On GU I have pivot 5pips away as seen on the picture. I see that you have wrong pivot levels. You have right day open line level but wrong pivot levels. Your pivot starts I think 1hour ago.
yes and im happy for you BUT ur not understanding, the rules state atr green on signal, hence he added the arrows to make it CLEAR, im trading to the rules only, not modifying it to trade differently, makes the test unfair and makes the system not needed
  • #257
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:27am Nov 22, 2011 3:27am
here you go kolesar, i have dragged the mouse from breakout, to the first pivot in view and its 45 pips away!! so was a valid trade with all rules met
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  • #258
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:36am Nov 22, 2011 3:36am
Quoting deankenny21
kolsar that pivot ur on about is 5 pips BELOW!!!!!!!!!!! pivot needs to be more than 10 pips above for a buy and the pivot above was over 60 pips away!!!!!! and no i have right pivot levels, im using the same broker as udine, his excuse for this loser was news wwhich was nearly an hour away!!! no mention of pivot because it met the rules

im sorry this was a pure loser with all rules met.
I'm not here to arguing but if you just look at your pivots its something wrong with them its and if you look better see that your starts one hour ago and day open line starts right oon your charts.

5pips away from pivot I mean from my picture for previus arrow. Current arrow on my picture was not fired because 3pip buffer. sometimes it is too small but in this case was right for me.

I am not looking for excuses, just let me tell you what it was in my case
Depends on feed. Sometimes I have lose and other time you have lose.

And you know that I post all loosers and winners and I not prefer any of this two systems but just trade on both.
  • #259
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:38am Nov 22, 2011 3:38am
Quoting kolesar007
I'm not here to arguing but if you just look at your pivots its something wrong with them its and if you look better see that your starts one hour ago and day open line starts right oon your charts.

5pips away from pivot I mean from my picture for previus arrow. Current arrow on my picture was not fired because 3pip buffer. sometimes it is too small but in this case was right for me.

I am not looking for excuses, just let me tell you what it was in my case
Depends on feed. Sometimes I have lose and other time you have lose.

And you know that...
im just going by the rules, ok here u go then here is my other broker, this one is over 60 pips away with news 45 mins away, everyone on the thread had arrows too so i know it was a valid trade, rules state a break is 0.1 of a pip trade taken, trade lost.
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  • #260
  • Nov 22, 2011 3:41am Nov 22, 2011 3:41am
Quoting deankenny21
here you go kolesar, i have dragged the mouse from breakout, to the first pivot in view and its 45 pips away!! so was a valid trade with all rules met
I took it as well as it met all the rules a valid loser!

I have been trading Invictus manually for past week or so and i am up but have lost half of profit recently and the R:R is not good. I have written and EA to test the system following the rules and i emptied the test account! I tried other pairs though apart from EU and GU. I have since tried another version that uses Hanover recent strength on the M5 chart to make sure the trade direction is strong. I set it running Friday morning and using 20pip SL and TP with 5 pip trailing stop and it has taken 6 trades 1 loser of 20 pips and 5 winners of 66pips giving a total of 46pips for 2 days which isn't bad for an EA.

I am working on one for Fratelli but not had much free time this week, once i'm happy they work correctly as per the rules i'll release for others to test.

Keep up the good work.

Mike
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