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  • #81
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:00am Nov 18, 2011 11:00am
Quoting jmflukeiii
I've got something if you're bored.... put a Gann Hi/Lo Indi on a 5 pip Renko chart with a 50 EMA and take all gann trades in the direction of the 50 EMA. Super simple, super profitable, lots of busy work. Stop at your own discresion - typically i manually trail each renko bar and put my stop behind it or get out at an opposite colored bar. Very good day for that today. If you're very very bored, put it on a 3 pip renko and trade like crazy.

Sorry very off topic I know.
lol I like your keep busy skills
  • #82
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:01am Nov 18, 2011 11:01am
its 5pm, no more signals will be taking according to rules, i have 1 trade open on invictus taken before london close so within the rules

when this trade is finished i will give todays final results and overview

will post accordingly

many thanks
Dean
  • #83
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:07am Nov 18, 2011 11:07am
Quoting deankenny21
its not so much boredom, i have a couple contacts that use mechincal no emotion systems with set TP and SL and because of the of averages and probability you can find a mecanical system where RR and win % are correct over time to give good profits.

They have shared with me, but both unfortunately do not suit me, both invictus and fratelli speaking mechnically suit me, free of emotions and free of fear of pulling that trigger because over the long haul the law of average brings the weights back to profits
thts very true what you say about law of averages I prefer fratelli ,will dig dee into it over the weekend ,you have a good eye on some of the systems on here as you think all corners bfore try out the system lol otherwise systems coming out of this place like there is no tomorow lol ,ok mate you have a good weekend ,I know ya misses earms more then ya but treat her to the resturant as I think given time you will shine with sucess
  • #84
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:09am Nov 18, 2011 11:09am
Quoting Spacetec
thts very true what you say about law of averages I prefer fratelli ,will dig dee into it over the weekend ,you have a good eye on some of the systems on here as you think all corners bfore try out the system lol otherwise systems coming out of this place like there is no tomorow lol ,ok mate you have a good weekend ,I know ya misses earms more then ya but treat her to the resturant as I think given time you will shine with sucess
she earns more than me for now hehe

yes i will give each method a fair test drive STRICTLY to the rules set in the first post of each method. I post losers and winners, to give everyone a transparent view.
  • #85
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:24am Nov 18, 2011 11:24am
WHile this stupid Invictus trade is still giving us heat in the meantime Fratelli has pulled another winner out the hat short on AUDUSD

the winner will not be included into results as its the trade triggered after 5pm London.

But just shows you how Fratelli filters out the bad pair to trade compared to the one that will move and more likely to give you those pips.
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  • #86
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:25am Nov 18, 2011 11:25am
Quoting deankenny21
WHile this stupid Invictus trade is still giving us heat in the meantime Fratelli has pulled another winner out the hat short on AUDUSD

the winner will not be included into results as its the trade triggered after 5pm London.

But just shows you how Fratelli filters out the bad pair to trade compared to the one that will move and more likely to give you those pips.
What are your Sidus settings?
Simplicity is the ultimate in sophistication ~ Leonardo Da Vinci
  • #87
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:32am Nov 18, 2011 11:32am
Quoting fisheggs
What are your Sidus settings?
they are whatever Fratelli, has posted on the thread to download, i have not modified anything.
  • #88
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:35am Nov 18, 2011 11:35am
Thanks, I had some dodgy arrows on my demo. I reset the Sidus to default and looks like yours now.
Simplicity is the ultimate in sophistication ~ Leonardo Da Vinci
  • #89
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:36am Nov 18, 2011 11:36am
Quoting fisheggs
Thanks, I had some dodgy arrows on my demo. I reset the Sidus to default and looks like yours now.
theres a slight bug in it at the moment, some arrows dont appear, all you have to do is simply right click on chart and click "refresh" and everything appears as it should up to date, this should be fixed over the weekend
  • #90
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:40am Nov 18, 2011 11:40am
and finally Invictus 3rd trade of the day is over

and its a loser for -20 pips sell GU

as you can see pretty much straight into the minus and never came back.

will update all totals for today soon, with todays totals and overviews

many thanks for listening today

Dean
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  • #91
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:49am Nov 18, 2011 11:49am
OK, so todays full trading day is over

and the results are as follows

Invictus = 2 winners 2 loser = -20pips
Fratelli = 9 Winners 2 loser = +104.7pips

SO today Fratelli has absolutely destroyed Invictus, but still early days.
Only problem with invictus as many people already mentioned here, is the risk reward, todays day would be you need 2 full on winners to come back to Breakeven, whereas you would need over 5 losers in a row now with fratelli for breakeven.

From my studies so far Fratelli does a far better job in filtering out bad and dull moves, whereas invictus relies more on personal discretion and sandwich eating (personal joke )

Regarding trend, Fratelli give you lots of re-entry chance as we seen already today on the posted charts and results, invictus, relies more on a push thats already happaned, and especially with all the different pivot settings out there and all the Support and resistence, according to invictus you would never get a valid trade.

Anyway its still early and i will continue this Monday morning same time.
I hope everyone finds this informative, and remember its still early days, good weekend all and happy pipping, time for PIZZA

many thanks
Deankenny
  • #92
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:49am Nov 18, 2011 11:49am
Dean,


DrJack (from your SD thread)

I started reading the Invictus thread and lo and behold you are a poster. Well, I read the entire thread with interest from your perspective up to the grand finale. I was going to PM you about it - but that won't be necassary as we can ask questions here without explusion.

It seems that your trades were adversley affected by the Invictus EA to a point of frustation. Were you able to adjust the EA settings to get over this problem?

The thread sponsor kept reminding you to only trade EU and GU to ensure profitability. Did you find his suggestions helpful?

Do you feel that this trading system can be somewhat profitably by staying within the rules and making only obvious setups without a lot of analysis? Meaning fewer trades with classic setups.

Finally, the broker feed issues. Was there a consensu as to which broker had the proper feeds for this trading system?

Regards,

DrJack
  • #93
  • Nov 18, 2011 11:56am Nov 18, 2011 11:56am
Quoting drjack1939
Dean,


DrJack (from your SD thread)

I started reading the Invictus thread and lo and behold you are a poster. Well, I read the entire thread with interest from your perspective up to the grand finale. I was going to PM you about it - but that won't be necassary as we can ask questions here without explusion.

It seems that your trades were adversley affected by the Invictus EA to a point of frustation. Were you able to adjust the EA settings to get over this problem?

The thread sponsor kept reminding you to only trade EU and GU to ensure...
JAck welcome nice to see you

You have basically answered your own questions, go back and read what you wrote, so much doubt, so much is this is that, change this change that.

That just proves to you how reliable a system already is

Yes i tried different ea settings with 1:1 rr 1:1.5 risk reward still coudlnt pull anything magic out the bag, i went back over my trades in my log book and took away all AU and UC and left only my results for EU AND GU, and i was more in the minus lol, it was AU AND UC that made more than EU AND GU.

This is why i started this, nice and fresh starting from 0, with only EU AND GU like udine said, using the same broker he uses, and only trading when all rules are met and no news etc.

I will be doing this for as long as i can, till i get a better overview.
But i got to say one of these 2 is already looking extremely promising.
  • #94
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:39pm Nov 18, 2011 12:39pm
good, can you send this here?
Quoting deankenny21
its not an expert auto trading robot
its only to help me trail my lots without me having to constantly input the data.
  • #95
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:45pm Nov 18, 2011 12:45pm
Quoting stevebalmmer
good, can you send this here?
no problem steve here you go
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  • #96
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:56pm Nov 18, 2011 12:56pm
Quoting deankenny21
no problem steve here you go
I'm sorry if this is elementary question, but how do these EAs work? Does it start with an immediate 10 pip stop (if I put 10 in as the trail), or does it kick in once i'm in profit?

Sorry, never used them before...
Small disciplines repeated with consistency lead to great achievements.
  • #97
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:58pm Nov 18, 2011 12:58pm
Quoting jmflukeiii
I'm sorry if this is elementary question, but how do these EAs work? Does it start with an immediate 10 pip stop (if I put 10 in as the trail), or does it kick in once i'm in profit?

Sorry, never used them before...
the ea ONLY kicks in once the trade is 10 pips in profit, if u have selected 10

basically whatever you select the EA will not do anything until the trade is in profit by however much u entered
  • #98
  • Nov 18, 2011 1:09pm Nov 18, 2011 1:09pm
Quoting deankenny21
the ea ONLY kicks in once the trade is 10 pips in profit, if u have selected 10

basically whatever you select the EA will not do anything until the trade is in profit by however much u entered
Great thanks. That's perfect. In my opinion, that is the type of thing that should be programmed into a platforms order management already...
Small disciplines repeated with consistency lead to great achievements.
  • #99
  • Nov 18, 2011 1:22pm Nov 18, 2011 1:22pm
Dean,

I read the Fratelli thread and plan to load it over the weekend. This system is perfect for your style of trading = multiple pairs to the extreme!

Looks like Peter is onto something.

How long will you demo this before going live?

Have a restful weekend you earned it!

Regards,

DrJack
  • #100
  • Nov 18, 2011 1:28pm Nov 18, 2011 1:28pm
Quoting drjack1939
Dean,

I read the Fratelli thread and plan to load it over the weekend. This system is perfect for your style of trading = multiple pairs to the extreme!

Looks like Peter is onto something.

How long will you demo this before going live?

Have a restful weekend you earned it!

Regards,

DrJack
its already on a live account, i set the same orders for the demo and live account, both invictus and fratelli are in live accounts aswell as demos.
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