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  • #41
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:28am Nov 18, 2011 7:28am
How are you getting, for example, 5.7 pips profit on fratelli? Is there an opposite signal of some sort occuring?

Is it because: "at 10 pips, stop goes to BE, but trail 1 pip at a time", so basically your trail is 10 behind price at that point? I guess I confused myself at first thinking the trail was 1 pip behind the price....
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  • #42
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:30am Nov 18, 2011 7:30am
Quoting jmflukeiii
How are you getting, for example, 5.7 pips profit on fratelli? Is there an opposite signal of some sort occuring?

Is it because: "at 10 pips, stop goes to BE, but trail 1 pip at a time", so basically your trail is 10 behind price at that point? I guess I confused myself at first thinking the trail was 1 pip behind the price....
thats correct.

if price goes to +10 then stop moves to BE

if price goes to +11 stop goes to +1 and so on
regarding the.7 of a pip, well thats just price jumping about etc and taking stop out but because obivous of slippage and all that.
  • #43
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:42am Nov 18, 2011 7:42am
Quoting deankenny21
thats correct.

if price goes to +10 then stop moves to BE

if price goes to +11 stop goes to +1 and so on
regarding the.7 of a pip, well thats just price jumping about etc and taking stop out but because obivous of slippage and all that.
Right.... are you doing pending orders at 4+ spread or a straight 4? I just want to see. that seems to be a nice little addition as it seems to keep you out of trades until price is ready to head that direction.

Just took 23 off of the 13 pip renko symphonie in GU. I think that's going to be my new thing for awhile, alongside Fratelli.

Did you happen to look at Mahailo's Renko system? Its quite extravagant
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  • #44
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:44am Nov 18, 2011 7:44am
Quoting jmflukeiii
Right.... are you doing pending orders at 4+ spread or a straight 4? I just want to see. that seems to be a nice little addition as it seems to keep you out of trades until price is ready to head that direction.

Just took 23 off of the 13 pip renko symphonie in GU. I think that's going to be my new thing for awhile, alongside Fratelli.

Did you happen to look at Mahailo's Renko system? Its quite extravagant
no i havent checked it, i try to focus on these so i can give true results and not be deterred by other things, well done on the pips

regarding 4 pips, i just look if price has moved 4 pips from close on the chart and hit buy or sell at market.
  • #45
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:47am Nov 18, 2011 7:47am
Quoting deankenny21
no i havent checked it, i try to focus on these so i can give true results and not be deterred by other things, well done on the pips

regarding 4 pips, i just look if price has moved 4 pips from close on the chart and hit buy or sell at market.
I know what you mean... typically I have 3 or 4 "systems", some mine, some others open at any one time and the problem with this is that I end up confusing myself when I get contradicting signals. However, if all of them line up, its generally a sure fire win. Plus I'm still just trading mini-lots before I really decide what I want to use permanently.
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  • #46
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:50am Nov 18, 2011 7:50am
Quoting jmflukeiii
I know what you mean... typically I have 3 or 4 "systems", some mine, some others open at any one time and the problem with this is that I end up confusing myself when I get contradicting signals. However, if all of them line up, its generally a sure fire win. Plus I'm still just trading mini-lots before I really decide what I want to use permanently.
at the end of the day my bread and butter is pure suply and demand, but is very boring and can take along time, this why im looking for some like this to just alert me check the rules and pull trigger with no emotions, today alone Fratelli has allowed me to buy an xbox game for nothing, because i didnt have 118 pips before the start of today now i do, now i can get my game
  • #47
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:53am Nov 18, 2011 7:53am
ok ok - you've got me interested in Fratelli (name of a good Italian restaurant around here as well).

I'll see how it goes if I get some quiet spells on the taxi.

Mike
  • #48
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:54am Nov 18, 2011 7:54am
Quoting handy148
ok ok - you've got me interested in Fratelli (name of a good Italian restaurant around here as well).

I'll see how it goes if I get some quiet spells on the taxi.

Mike
just keep remember for now to click refresh on charts, as theres a small bug with new big arrow appearing, before u take a trade remember this to make sure your on right side of sidus
  • #49
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:55am Nov 18, 2011 7:55am
Quoting deankenny21
thats correct.

if price goes to +10 then stop moves to BE

if price goes to +11 stop goes to +1 and so on
regarding the.7 of a pip, well thats just price jumping about etc and taking stop out but because obivous of slippage and all that.
Dean....Do you have a trade management ea that you are using to move your stop losses and trail? Also, do you ever exit early because of a change in either the candle color or macd color?
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  • #50
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:56am Nov 18, 2011 7:56am
Dean if you're bored try looking for other things also on the Fratelli chart - for instance I just took a quick 7 pips on an Inside Bar trade.
  • #51
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:57am Nov 18, 2011 7:57am
Quoting daytrade5
Dean....Do you have a trade management ea that you are using to move your stop losses and trail? Also, do you ever exit early because of a change in either the candle color or macd color?
yes i use e-trailing for all of it
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  • #52
  • Nov 18, 2011 7:58am Nov 18, 2011 7:58am
Quoting handy148
Dean if you're bored try looking for other things also on the Fratelli chart - for instance I just took a quick 7 pips on an Inside Bar trade.
ive taken a couple odd ones here and there on pure price action, but to keep this thread clean, i will only post results from clear rules being met according to each of the own system
  • #53
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:01am Nov 18, 2011 8:01am
Quoting deankenny21
at the end of the day my bread and butter is pure suply and demand, but is very boring and can take along time, this why im looking for some like this to just alert me check the rules and pull trigger with no emotions, today alone Fratelli has allowed me to buy an xbox game for nothing, because i didnt have 118 pips before the start of today now i do, now i can get my game
Same here - supply and demand is really my thing as well. Its how I originally learned and how even when I trade any of these systems, I revert back to a naked price chart before pulling the trigger.... the issue with that is that often I find that looking at price, there is reason not to take trades (moreso with some systems than others). That is my whole point about Invictus - I can do what that does by just looking at the chart, I'm not terribly sure all the indicators help that much. Udine seems to be having great success, and maybe one or two other guys in that thread, but I see a lot of people getting burned.

I am trying to let myself "let go" so to speak and just trade a system the way its written so it can become a mechanical, emotionless side trading style. But so far, I haven't trusted them enough. Symphonie is the closest I've come to really putting my faith in a system, but a lot of that is because it allows me to look at the price (not HA candles which I typically despise). Renko with symphonie is actually quite awesome and I think i'll keep that around. For someone so interested in price, I find Renko to be somewhat of a contradictory thing for me to like seeing as there is a lot of "disguise"- but the elimination of noise really seems to fit me.

I'm going to give Fratelli a shot as its written - who knows, maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised like yourself
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  • #54
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:35am Nov 18, 2011 8:35am
oh my gosh

Fratelli just had its first loser lol
AU buy -20 pips

But this could easily be avoided as its right at a round number etcetc
BUT like i saidi will trade each to its own rules to be fair and transparent.
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  • #55
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:36am Nov 18, 2011 8:36am
brings todays totals, WHEN TRADING BY THE SYTEM RULES to

Invictus = 2 winners 1 loser = breakeven 0 pips

Fratelli = 7 Winners 1 loser = +98.2pips
  • #56
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:44am Nov 18, 2011 8:44am
Quoting deankenny21
brings todays totals, WHEN TRADING BY THE SYTEM RULES to

Invictus = 2 winners 1 loser = breakeven 0 pips

Fratelli = 7 Winners 1 loser = +98.2pips
Sorry for the dumb question, but how do you use that trailing EA you posted? It just took me out of a great Euro short at 1 pip gain... I rarely trade with MetaTrader, but have been the past month or so testing out some new strategies. 5 digit broker for MT.. is that the issue?
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  • #57
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:45am Nov 18, 2011 8:45am
Quoting jmflukeiii
Sorry for the dumb question, but how do you use that trailing EA you posted? It just took me out of a great Euro short at 1 pip gain... I rarely trade with MetaTrader, but have been the past month or so testing out some new strategies. 5 digit broker for MT.. is that the issue?
ha yea if u got 5 digit broker then values must add a zero

so for 10 pips you put 100
for 1 pip u put 10
  • #58
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:48am Nov 18, 2011 8:48am
GU sell on fratelli open

BE safe and in profit will update accordingly
  • #59
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:50am Nov 18, 2011 8:50am
Quoting deankenny21
GU sell on fratelli open

BE safe and in profit will update accordingly

oo already +15 pips on fratelli sell GU
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  • #60
  • Nov 18, 2011 8:51am Nov 18, 2011 8:51am
And how does it know to kick in? I.e. we start with a 20 pip stop, but then at 10 pip gain, we want it to trail 10 behind...

Sorry, mainly I trade through IB which has jumping stops, jumping trail stops, etc...
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