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  • #3,161
  • Nov 14, 2011 9:32am Nov 14, 2011 9:32am
Quoting Ilovepippin
I can back that up.
Gann did keep horoscopes on natal chart of US.
Predicting wars and presidents.
Look in some of Ferrera's work.
that was a synastry work with natal cbot, us, colombo discover and another one that i dont remeber, cannot predict names with astrology gann made kabbalistic calculations...

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  • #3,162
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:10am Nov 14, 2011 11:10am
Quoting Ilovepippin
I know Cowan makes you sign an agreement when you buy his books, so you don't have to comment . I have not read them but I imagine it is something like this:

360/5 = 72 degrees.
72 x 2 = 144.
144 = 12x12

All important numbers. Gann used a square of 144 for solar cycles.

Anyway. Take an important top or bottom and work out the next possible top/bottom.

For mercury it takes 88 days to orbit the sun. So every top/bottom add 88/5=17.6 days for the next high/low.
For venus it would be 224/5=44.8 days
For mars 686/5=137.2
etc etc.
Small planets...
That's a small fraction of what Cowan goes into. His basic premise is harmonic nested cycles. Which are easily observable with helio. I don't apply his specific cycles because they're very long and don't fit currencies as well. And yeah.. non-disclosure. However, enough authors have ripped off a lot of his ideas that a lot of his research can be found in other places.

The main thing, imho though, is to be open to different ideas and then use those ideas to explore things that fit your own style. Cycle research is such an individualized thing. What one person "syncs" to can be different than the next guy even though everyone is looking at the same chart. Sympathetic vibratory physics.
  • #3,163
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:24am Nov 14, 2011 11:24am
Does anyone know of any charting software that lets you draw elliptic shapes?

The elliptic shapes must keep their proportions when you move them.
I need it to do vector research.
Thanks!
  • #3,164
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:28am Nov 14, 2011 11:28am
A question for you, lets say that you found a top on a daily chart and that you looked at your data, and found that on this date you had an exact full moon.

So then you would go forward from that point adding say angular seperation to the moons position, say 45,90,180 degrees to look for the next possible cycle top.

Would that be the sort of thing to do?


Much appreciated an answer, btw I certainly never did that to get my turns. But I am wondering.


I am just using the moon as an example I realise that bigger cycles are bigger planets,etc



All the best


Mike
  • #3,165
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:31am Nov 14, 2011 11:31am
Quoting Ilovepippin
I was drawing it out yesterday and price is now on the 1x2 line.
I did not expect it to fall this fast. I did expect to touch the 1x2 line just not where it is now.
Well I actually meant to say that my forecast also went down the toilet from this week's open onwards

I didn't even manage to open an order, which perhaps is a good thing judging the speed by which I would have been taken out hehe
  • #3,166
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:40am Nov 14, 2011 11:40am
Ilovepippin,


did you test the Fischer software:


http://www.fibotrader.com/sw_downloads.php


See screenshot: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/fibo1.gif/


Sixer
  • #3,167
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:43am Nov 14, 2011 11:43am
Quoting Ilovepippin
Does anyone know of any charting software that lets you draw elliptic shapes?

The elliptic shapes must keep their proportions when you move them.
I need it to do vector research.
Thanks!
dynamic trader or market analyst or wave59 or fibonacci trader....peraphs...im not sure, all the others don't...


Quoting Mike Haran
A question for you, lets say that you found a top on a daily chart and that you looked at your data, and found that on this date you had an exact full moon.

So then you would go forward from that point adding say angular seperation to the moons position, say 45,90,180 degrees to look for the next possible cycle top.

Would that be the sort of thing to do?


Much appreciated an answer, btw I certainly never did that to get my turns. But I am wondering.


I am just using the moon as an example I realise that bigger cycles are bigger planets,etc...

could be a method, jenkins suggest to do it...it's not nedded to start from a full moon but from the position on turns...
  • #3,168
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:48am Nov 14, 2011 11:48am
Metastock 10 has a pretty extensive drawing assortment (its a pig on resources though

gannalyst 5 pro does as well i believe
"Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do"
  • #3,169
  • Nov 14, 2011 11:59am Nov 14, 2011 11:59am
Quoting Ilovepippin
Does anyone know of any charting software that lets you draw elliptic shapes?

The elliptic shapes must keep their proportions when you move them.
I need it to do vector research.
Thanks!
mt4 can do it, but you need to lock in the chart scaling and keep note of what you locked it in at as time advances. Also, with mt4, the chart scaling in the existing price area is different than the empty space to the right. But it's workable and by far the easiest ellipse tool out of all of the the charting packages I've tried. Wave59 is waaaaay too cumbersome for ellipses. Gannalyst 5 is ok, but limited to daily charts and higher. Cycletrader is ok for ellipses, but you can't lock in the chart scaling if you expand the chart.

Here's some of my old ellipse work in mt4 in this thread:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=148796
  • #3,170
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:17pm Nov 14, 2011 12:17pm
Quoting Mike Haran
A question for you, lets say that you found a top on a daily chart and that you looked at your data, and found that on this date you had an exact full moon.

So then you would go forward from that point adding say angular seperation to the moons position, say 45,90,180 degrees to look for the next possible cycle top.

Would that be the sort of thing to do?
Sure, why not. haha. Basically just find something that fits and then go back in history and see if it fits elsewhere. Usually if you find something that sticks, it will stick everywhere. This applies not just to to astro cycles, but any types of cycle work be it simple static bar counts, fib ratios, or the dog pooping on the lawn. Just because it fits once doesn't mean jack sh*t. It needs to fit everywhere. And major highs/lows aren't always the best starts or the best things to measure. It's about finding consistent patterns. And sometimes that's just a matter of experience/instinct/luck/providence.

The advantage of astro is that the data can be projected infinitely very easily. The disadvantage of astro is that the cycles tend to wander a little more than other cycle methods.

But the key is to make sure that the fit is consistent throughout all of the price data. Or at least enough times that you're willing to bet it. I like to see 7-8 times out of 10 and preferably to the bar give or take 1-2 bars either side. Some of the astro work I've seen in other places have huge windows. For example, some dude whom everyone worshipped on this mailing list I was a part of would trade daily charts and his "cycles" would have these huge 5-8 day windows. That's too big for me to be considered "accurate".
  • #3,171
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:24pm Nov 14, 2011 12:24pm
Quoting poli
could be a method, jenkins suggest to do it...it's not nedded to start from a full moon but from the position on turns...
Yessss! From highs and lows!
And moon orbits in 29.5 days, so 180 degrees is approx 14 days.
Since mercury 72 degrees is about 18 days, look for highs/lows after 14-18 days....
  • #3,172
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:25pm Nov 14, 2011 12:25pm
Quoting Sti
Well I actually meant to say that my forecast also went down the toilet from this week's open onwards

I didn't even manage to open an order, which perhaps is a good thing judging the speed by which I would have been taken out hehe
An inversion in your forecast? On one my daily euro chart cycles, the inversions have been frequent. So I watch every inversion point carefully.
  • #3,173
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:25pm Nov 14, 2011 12:25pm
Thanks everyone for the software tips!
  • #3,174
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:26pm Nov 14, 2011 12:26pm
Quoting Sti
Well I actually meant to say that my forecast also went down the toilet from this week's open onwards

I didn't even manage to open an order, which perhaps is a good thing judging the speed by which I would have been taken out hehe
I noticed that this kind of technique is 80% accurate when it comes to direction.
Still plenty good though!
  • #3,175
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:35pm Nov 14, 2011 12:35pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Does anyone know of any charting software that lets you draw elliptic shapes?

The elliptic shapes must keep their proportions when you move them.
I need it to do vector research.
Thanks!
I haven't used this and I am not affiliated with the product in any way, but I bookmarked this a little while ago - looked like an interesting package...
http://www.timingsolution.com/TS/Comparison/

It mentions an ellipse tool under charting tools.
  • #3,176
  • Nov 14, 2011 12:37pm Nov 14, 2011 12:37pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Yessss! From highs and lows!
And moon orbits in 29.5 days, so 180 degrees is approx 14 days.
Since mercury 72 degrees is about 18 days, look for highs/lows after 14-18 days....
moon orbits between highs and lows /3 and /4 does give inversions but it's just a method...
  • #3,177
  • Nov 14, 2011 3:20pm Nov 14, 2011 3:20pm
Another proposal:

http://fibonacci-trading-software.info/

Sixer
  • #3,178
  • Nov 14, 2011 3:31pm Nov 14, 2011 3:31pm
Quoting Sixer
Another proposal:

http://fibonacci-trading-software.info/

Sixer
Coolio. I wonder where they got the idea for their Star of David?

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...88#post1573888
  • #3,179
  • Nov 14, 2011 7:54pm Nov 14, 2011 7:54pm
POLI,

It seems you are setting your price wheel from the last major high on October 27th. Is this indeed what you are doing?

You have an error with your clock. Are you living in Hawaii and have accidentally doubled your correction for Eastern Time? I see you are using NYC for location, but the software is claiming 12 noon when it is plotting for 1800 of this I have no doubt. For slow moving stuff it really is no matter, but if you are trying to understand any correlation with the ASC or MC you are going to be frustrated.

Sorry to be nosy, just trying to be helpful.

; )



Quoting poli
3860 is the price not to be crossed for the short and 3620/10 the main support area....

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in the long run i think we are headed under the parity, i mean 0.8 0.9 , following jupiter declination...

any of you use saros cycle and his decomposition???

sorry for my bad english...
  • #3,180
  • Nov 14, 2011 9:27pm Nov 14, 2011 9:27pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
I noticed that this kind of technique is 80% accurate when it comes to direction.
Still plenty good though!
Well, now that you mention it. I have of course mapped my tool on historic price and it does give the right thing about 72% of the time. Now am I SURPRISED to see this number of 72??? No not really! But in my book, on H4 on more than 12 years of history, that number has statistical significance. Which is ultimately the thing to look for be it for trading or to proof that astrology has a respectable place in science.

But yes, it isn't always doing the correct thing, of course.

Now the problem I face with that is that I sometimes have the feeling that there is something else floating in space that is throwing off my tool. It does have all the signs of being regular (once about every five weeks I'm having the same kind of error)

It seems like a fast object, it seems like a closeby object (if we roughly say that the moon is having a 4 week orbit... then a 5 week orbit is not so far away) what it could be? I do not know.
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