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  • Oct 15, 2011 5:22pm Oct 15, 2011 5:22pm
  •  forexhard
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Something like this LG?
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  • Oct 15, 2011 5:28pm Oct 15, 2011 5:28pm
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Quoting lawgirl21
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By strong cross, I am looking for 12:00 - 2:00 o'clock for a long trade and 4:00 - 6:00 o' clock for a short trade.
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That's exactly what I thought! Thank you, lawgirl21!
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  • Oct 16, 2011 4:21am Oct 16, 2011 4:21am
  •  lehmann
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Test results using Daily & 4H
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  • Oct 16, 2011 5:19am Oct 16, 2011 5:19am
  •  lehmann
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Using 1H (just a little different approach)
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  • Oct 16, 2011 5:47am Oct 16, 2011 5:47am
  •  Forexaleman
  • | Joined Jul 2009 | Status: Member | 46 Posts
Thank you for your results. I have questions:

Did you wait for the crosses in the 3&8 EMA in H1 too?
Did you wait for candle close in H1 and m15 before entering the trade?

excuse for my english.
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  • Oct 16, 2011 6:20am Oct 16, 2011 6:20am
  •  lehmann
  • | Joined Mar 2008 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
I waited for the candle to close on the 1H and i waited for the cross on the 1H. When that happened i looked at the 15M for confirmation



Quoting Forexaleman
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Thank you for your results. I have questions:

Did you wait for the crosses in the 3&8 EMA in H1 too?
Did you wait for candle close in H1 and m15 before entering the trade?

excuse for my english.
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  • Oct 16, 2011 6:22am Oct 16, 2011 6:22am
  •  katrooo
  • Joined Apr 2010 | Status: Member | 350 Posts
Hi lawgirl

few questions :

1. how long have u been trading this system on live account and what results did you have? maybe i got it wrong, but its not enough to say - last week it would produce 300 pips, its very easy but if u were not taking decisions entering trades, closing them etc it is not reliable.

2. you said there is no need for candles, so how do you enter your trades? 3 and 8 moving average (esp EMA's) are very short-term and lagging indicators so it's not so easy to backtest sth like that - it could be crossed much more times than u see in history during candles were creating but then it could reverse and close on the other side and bam there is no cross when u look back in history

3. pls dont take this all as some offence, its good that u want to help traders, there is so much "trading systems" in this section but im very sceptical they do work, i never met pro institutional trader(and i met a lot of them) who was using some ema crosses....it surely can be profitable but its not because of the "system" but because the trader who knows every aspect of the market he trade and the "system" is only some guide or sth like that, but i'm sure that every newbie will just get f*cked up again because of too much relying on TA changing "systems" and not being flexible to what market is telling.

wish you all the best.

regards mike.
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  • Oct 16, 2011 6:53am Oct 16, 2011 6:53am
  •  crazzzzzy
  • | Joined Sep 2010 | Status: Member | 75 Posts
hi, i think that this is a very bad system for beginners and it can kill those micro & mini accounts because what most of the newbies will do (what i did 1 year ago), is that they will enter the market too early or at false breakouts very often. I recommend you to close this thread or to add some more rules to the system. No Offense..!
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  • Oct 16, 2011 7:00am Oct 16, 2011 7:00am
  •  bumapatria
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Quoting crazzzzzy
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hi, i think that this is a very bad system for beginners and it can kill those micro & mini accounts because what most of the newbies will do (what i did 1 year ago), is that they will enter the market too early or at false breakouts very often. I recommend you to close this thread or to add some more rules to the system. No Offense..!
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i think its part of the process right to fail the first time? failure is the sort of foundation for success imo. You know then what is needed to profit, what istn etc. and yes, this is more on the fun side i guess, and every system usually is locked in to its owners and or creators. Like bill williams' stuff. or whatever..

this one is quite cool in my opinion.

truth be told, technical analysis is not a must.
but since we can analyze part of the market with charts, so why not?

well.. this is a controversy



i see lawgirl with good setups, but that doesnt necessarily mean, its good for everyone like some people say.


@lawgirl, dont close the thread, you cant prevent failure, the true vessel of failure is the traders' themselves ie: i blow my account. i cant blame my system, (well i can...) but in the end i choose to use it and fail with it right? its in the end my fault.

a system should be stuck with if profitable really, but im not too indicator fancy, except ones that change timeframes, and show sessions lol.

but for peopel like lawgirl, this is their passion, their love, so i guess go ahead lawgirl

good luck with thread, i wanna see more of your setups haha they look intriguing

Best regards,

Buma
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  • Oct 16, 2011 7:06am Oct 16, 2011 7:06am
  •  AndreasF
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Quoting crazzzzzy
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hi, i think that this is a very bad system for beginners and it can kill those micro & mini accounts because what most of the newbies will do (what i did 1 year ago), is that they will enter the market too early or at false breakouts very often. I recommend you to close this thread or to add some more rules to the system. No Offense..!
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Well, LG has proved herself as being one of the most successful traders/mentors here at FF....

Crazzzzzy, I guess most beginner accounts get killed by poor MM and lack of discipline? No??
Anyway, you are free to advice what to improve...
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  • Oct 16, 2011 8:09am Oct 16, 2011 8:09am
  •  lehmann
  • | Joined Mar 2008 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
Hey Mike, if u wanna backtest this, then its obvious closed bars that are referring to and thats pretty easy and straightforward. Otherwise it couldnt be done.
But every trader is not the same, some will close before others and some will let it ride. If u invented a bulletproof system with rules, i would bet u that introduced to 2 different kind of persons, they will give u 2 VERY different results.

Quoting katrooo
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Hi lawgirl

few questions :

1. how long have u been trading this system on live account and what results did you have? maybe i got it wrong, but its not enough to say - last week it would produce 300 pips, its very easy but if u were not taking decisions entering trades, closing them etc it is not reliable.

2. you said there is no need for candles, so how do you enter your trades? 3 and 8 moving average (esp EMA's) are very short-term and lagging indicators so it's not so easy to backtest sth like that - it could be crossed much more times...
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  • Oct 16, 2011 8:52am Oct 16, 2011 8:52am
  •  katrooo
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Quoting lehmann
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Hey Mike, if u wanna backtest this, then its obvious closed bars that are referring to and thats pretty easy and straightforward. Otherwise it couldnt be done.
But every trader is not the same, some will close before others and some will let it ride. If u invented a bulletproof system with rules, i would bet u that introduced to 2 different kind of persons, they will give u 2 VERY different results.
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hi lehman,

yes u re right about this about bulletproof system with rules that there will be different results for different persons, and about candles - now i understand what u mean, but i was asking lawgirl because she mentioned in the first post that u dont need candles or chart at all and MA's are enough - but this would cause the method to be lil bit untradeable i think - because of lagging indicators.

mike.
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  • Oct 16, 2011 9:45am Oct 16, 2011 9:45am
  •  lawgirl21
  • Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 6,603 Posts
Quoting crazzzzzy
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hi, i think that this is a very bad system for beginners and it can kill those micro & mini accounts because what most of the newbies will do (what i did 1 year ago), is that they will enter the market too early or at false breakouts very often. I recommend you to close this thread or to add some more rules to the system. No Offense..!
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You are correct, craz, this is NOT a beginner's system. I said that about the systems in my last thread, but few listened. Simplicity is often misunderstood for simple.

Because it is not a beginner's system, we don't need to discuss basic trading assumptions like proper MM and exit rules in anything but the most perfunctory of terms.

Trading is boring, and especially successful trading, so I am always looking for effective, interesting ways to make pips. This is just another way. But like any trading, use at your own peril. It is indeed possible to lose your entire account with this or any other trading system. (I know, I've done it several times.)
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  • Oct 16, 2011 9:55am Oct 16, 2011 9:55am
  •  lawgirl21
  • Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 6,603 Posts
Quoting forexhard
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Something like this LG?
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Exactly like that FH...a perfect representation. You are good to have around! Thanks!
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  • Oct 16, 2011 10:03am Oct 16, 2011 10:03am
  •  lawgirl21
  • Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 6,603 Posts
Quoting lehmann
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Hey Mike, if u wanna backtest this, then its obvious closed bars that are referring to and thats pretty easy and straightforward. Otherwise it couldnt be done.
But every trader is not the same, some will close before others and some will let it ride. If u invented a bulletproof system with rules, i would bet u that introduced to 2 different kind of persons, they will give u 2 VERY different results.
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Thanks for the backtesting, lehmann. Impressive results, even with the DD. Is there a way to test with an exit before the cross back?
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  • Oct 16, 2011 10:15am Oct 16, 2011 10:15am
  •  lawgirl21
  • Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 6,603 Posts
Quoting katrooo
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hi lehman,

yes u re right about this about bulletproof system with rules that there will be different results for different persons, and about candles - now i understand what u mean, but i was asking lawgirl because she mentioned in the first post that u dont need candles or chart at all and MA's are enough - but this would cause the method to be lil bit untradeable i think - because of lagging indicators.

mike.
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Throw the line graph (which is the same as a 1EMA, I found out) on this chart Mike and you will see that the 3EMA(yellow) smooths out the PA as represented by the line graph (green line). Using the 3EMA will keep us in trades longer, yet get us out when we need to exit.
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  • Oct 16, 2011 10:37am Oct 16, 2011 10:37am
  •  Goldflight
  • | Joined Mar 2010 | Status: Member | 263 Posts
Fantastic job on your new system LAWGIRL. I also use your other sytem too.
I have added the round number indie to this. Take a look and see how price reacts to these.

I will only post this indie with your permission. Goldflight.....
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  • Oct 16, 2011 10:52am Oct 16, 2011 10:52am
  •  lawgirl21
  • Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 6,603 Posts
Quoting Goldflight
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Fantastic job on your new system LAWGIRL. I also use your other sytem too.
I have added the round number indie to this. Take a look and see how price reacts to these.

I will only post this indie with your permission. Goldflight.....
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Yes, please post this indie. I have never seen this one. Price does react to those numbers. Thanks, Goldflight.

P.S. Is there a way to only have the green lines, the big round numbers show? Probably...huh...

P.P.S. Probably would make good range/BO lines too.
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  • Oct 16, 2011 10:56am Oct 16, 2011 10:56am
  •  Goldflight
  • | Joined Mar 2010 | Status: Member | 263 Posts
Quoting lawgirl21
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Yes, please post this indie. I have never seen this one. Price does react to those numbers. Thanks, Goldflight.
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You are very welcome. Here it is. Goldflight.................
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  • Oct 16, 2011 10:57am Oct 16, 2011 10:57am
  •  Goldflight
  • | Joined Mar 2010 | Status: Member | 263 Posts
Quoting lawgirl21
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Yes, please post this indie. I have never seen this one. Price does react to those numbers. Thanks, Goldflight.

P.S. Is there a way to only have the green lines, the big round numbers show? Probably...huh...
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Yes. Just change the setings.
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