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  • #3,461
  • Sep 26, 2011 1:19pm Sep 26, 2011 1:19pm
Quoting mzvega
Start here,That post explains the features if the indi
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...60#post4550060
Ok thanks .... let me see.
  • #3,462
  • Sep 26, 2011 1:25pm Sep 26, 2011 1:25pm
Quoting MktScape
Ok thanks .... let me see.
this may help, delete dots to turn features on or off
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Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #3,463
  • Sep 26, 2011 1:45pm Sep 26, 2011 1:45pm
A few hours ago was nice shake-out volume at exces ( below third standard deviation) level on NZDUSD on H4...that would be MMP. On daily was at VAL...nice.
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #3,464
  • Sep 26, 2011 6:25pm Sep 26, 2011 6:25pm
I just notice that EURUSD on WMP is at VAL and on H1 time frame approaching 200 moving average... I have no clue if that has some meaning for the market profile itself although I believe that such combination of Market profile and Moving average especially 200 moving average is terrible combination like vegetables and fruits...I mean any kind of fruits and any kind of vegetables....just terible...
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #3,465
  • Sep 26, 2011 11:16pm Sep 26, 2011 11:16pm
  •  s7c
  • | Joined Mar 2011 | Status: try and fail but don't fail to try | 289 Posts
every trader works to a plan which fits his own style of approaching the market based on his character, his education, his style and the good news is every one could succeed into his plan...i think it's not about what's right or wrong, because common we are not dealing with an exact science here, all we can do is to use the science to get the probability as much is decent possible to be in our favor...if one has ambition, normal intelligence, good character that one can fit into not losing profile type, but to win, to succeed in the "game" beside all above you need inspiration because trading in the end is an art! one look's for inspiration in music, other in nature, some in both, some in people, some in drugs and alcohol, etc... the point is we are all looking to succeed and all do what we fits our style to find our way to succeed in market, in live...we all can use our precious gift: free will.
bottom line, we all need help into getting what we are looking for, at least i know i do but in order to get that we need to show respect. i respect other people opinion and i listen to it, but after i keep follow my way if at that point i think is right one, but i want to keep my mind open and be able to recognize a wrong turn along the way...i have allot to learn and what today seems right tomorrow could prove wrong...
let's trade and keep our discussion near by main subject AMP/MP
  • #3,466
  • Sep 27, 2011 12:09am Sep 27, 2011 12:09am
Quoting mima
Before I answered on this question s/he asked aleready two times that question and on top of that page alexm andswerd it already but s/he did not read or did not believe...so I was just kidding on my way...
It's strange that you remembered that conversation particularly it doesn't concern to the topic. At that time I told that english is not my native language and It's not bad that I could pass one of so many answers. I can also write many abbreviations in russian and you all will be in confuse, believe me.
  • #3,467
  • Sep 27, 2011 2:28am Sep 27, 2011 2:28am
Quoting dj0ker
It's strange that you remembered that conversation particularly it doesn't concern to the topic...
I was attacked by mzvega/claudia for no reason....You were not subject of the attack...She went back in hystory to pool my answer to you to support her attack on me about my comments on MP and VSA...In my deffence I just described what happened; no more and no less than that.
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #3,468
  • Sep 27, 2011 3:38am Sep 27, 2011 3:38am
Quoting mzvega
then you have a group of people who arent very well versed in either one.......

Let me share one of these “gems” of coversation of what happens when you start mixing “apples & oranges”...............

Originally Posted by Evak…..
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][i]FYI, spike base test during UK session, a good structural entry if u have limit orders set. But if not, the next best trade location is the...

Mzvega, you sure are good in finding "gems".

As I cannot help much in AMT/MP discussions, I just answered the simple queries where I can helped.

Really do enjoy your AMT/MP viewpoints and charts.

Also can understand that you are getting frustrated with some posters as they just don't post MP-related charts to back up what they are saying when talking about the prices of certain currencies.
This also means me as I dont post MP-related charts.

The only regular MP-related posters are really evak, tgwhbb, mzvega.
Hope to see more AMT/MP related charts and opinions from everyone over here.

Mzvega, Thank you for stepping up to the plate, and keep them swinging.
  • #3,469
  • Sep 27, 2011 4:06am Sep 27, 2011 4:06am
Quoting foxybunny
....
You were posting in VSA threads for long time...I don't think you can get rid of VSA and only think on MP way...Individual that you are addressing is asking trader to be straight either MP or VSA not to mention moving averages which you had on your charts as well so I don't understand what you wanted to say in your post...
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #3,470
  • Sep 28, 2011 2:48am Sep 28, 2011 2:48am
Quoting mima
I was attacked by mzvega/claudia for no reason....You were not subject of the attack...She went back in hystory to pool my answer to you to support her attack on me about my comments on MP and VSA...In my deffence I just described what happened; no more and no less than that.

It’s unfortunate that you feel that you were so viciously attacked. Let’s revisit Labor Day weekend to refresh your memory of how vicious I am, when you needed help with the MP indi. I spent the majority of the holiday, helping you. If I wanted to be vicious and attack, I would have done so then. As long as you have been posting here, we’ve had many indicators, and directed many people, and given instructions many times. The proper thing to do was have asked why you were too lazy to get up off your lazy arse and go back and read the thread yourself and find the answer yourself. If your too lazy to go back and re-read the thread, it’s safe to assume (like many others) you’re too lazy to pick up a book and educate yourself about AMT/MP, explaining the lack of profiles, on the few, if any charts, that you do post. I chose to help, in hopes that it would encourage you to post profile charts. To this day you still haven’t posted a mp profile chart, a complete waste of my time.


Do you realize that the majority of help I give here is just directing people to same things that have been posted, many, many times before? Answers that would be found if people just got up off their lazy arse, and read the thread themselves and read the reference materials that have been provided over and over again.

I think that too many people have grown accustom to having me going back through the thread to find the answers they seek, spoon feed the pages of MP books that they should be reading themselves. And now mima you expect me to analyze others peoples charts using other forms of analysis to help them understand MP because of their “lack of effort to read a book & educate themselves” about AMT/MP itself. Truth be told, what these people are really looking for is some kind of short cut & for someone to show them how to trade MP without them having to actually pick up and read book & do the homework themselves.

mima: ...Individual that you are addressing is asking trader to be straight either MP or VSA not to mention moving averages which you had on your charts

You’re full of sh!t……. don’t get it twisted, my statement was this:

mzvega: ”By all means if it assists in your trading decisions, and it works for you thats great! I would sugguest a person have a fairly good grasp of "auction market theory" and "MP concenpts" (VSA concepts too) before attempting to use both to compliment each other. I dont think one type analysis should be used to substitute the "lack of knowledge" for another type of analysis. Instead of taking the time to do a different type of analysis, to assist that gap of knowledge, wouldnt it be time better spent educating yourself with the actual material needed to fill that gap?
ps. great analogies!”


I also said this:

mzvega: ”……..Others seem to do just fine. Maybe one of the others can help you with the vsa stuff. With out the profile on the chart, theres not much for me comment on I dont trade vsa….

And I also told you this:

mzvega: “………I feel it was within my choice to let someone know that if they would like me to respond to their posts and continue an “open dialogue” with me , about MP, we have to keep it along the lines of AMT/MP.”

Where the hell is this so called attack????
The only type of person who would find my statements offensive enough to get their “panties” all in a bunch, is some lazy arse who expects me to go back & re-read the thread to find answers for everyone, read and spoon feed MP reference books to them, and now expects me to “custom tailor” my answers to fit each individuals trading style & use of unrelated indicators because they’re too lazy to read a book about the actual subject.
For the record, I aint your “Beck & Call” girl! Who are you to take offense of how I choose to answer MP questions???? I should be the person taking offense.

Instead of just ignoring s7c’s, posts I thought I was trying to be kind and offer my assistance, if we kept the conversation to something I was better versed in, AMT/MP.
I try to help and offer assistance where I can, but what I find even more offensive, is after I spent hours of my holiday weekend helping you load an indicator, because your too lazy to get up off your lazy arse and find the instructions yourself, The fact you could just let a fellow trader a few posts back go ignored in their request to find instructions. For the hours I spent helping you with the indi, you couldn’t take the same kindness I showed you, and take one minute of your time too direct them to the place you so painstakingly wasted my time, with the indi instructions. Don’t worry I was able to put your bullsh!t on the shelf long enough to try to be of help.

mima: I was attacked by mzvega/claudia for no reason....
Care to go back in history and find something to actually support that statement????????

It’s unfortunate you feel I so viciously attacked you. (Its not the first time Ive been refered to as a “pitbull in a skirt”). It’s also unfortunate for you, because I offer you no apologies…….
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #3,471
  • Sep 28, 2011 3:05am Sep 28, 2011 3:05am
s7c, Rio, mktskape and Foxy (the funny) bunny,
I appreciate the kind words. But I do need to apologize to the thread as a whole as I they had to read these last few posts, my feelings aren’t directed at any one person, if the shoe fits, slip it on, if it doesn’t, it need not apply. I find it impossible to give MP answers that come wrapped up as vsa questions. I always have ignored those posts, I didn’t realize it was against the law to actually say it out loud. I hope I didn’t offend anyone. Im beginning to think my usefulness to the thread is slowly wearing itself out. I will still offer assistance to those in need, just please don’t expect me to go through the tedious time consuming task of counting bars, analyzing every 3 bar combination, looking for triggers and such, as it causes me to lose focus on the bigger picture. again I appreciate the kind words, and support!
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #3,472
  • Sep 28, 2011 7:57am Sep 28, 2011 7:57am
  •  s7c
  • | Joined Mar 2011 | Status: try and fail but don't fail to try | 289 Posts
Quoting mima
....Your useless comments...This thread is not intended for it. Find something else to do in your spare time.
i see you had a defensive reaction in the next post, but common man...you're not the kind who want's or can to provide helpful AMT/MP ideas. without mzvega&evak this thread could very well become a poker site just with the rest of us. in my previous post i tried to be decent but common man the situation is not complicated at all:
1-it's a MP thread;
2-you're a guest(vsa, macd, etc) and as a guest you act like one...;
3-you express you're view in a nicely manner
4-you have something to learn from this thread, not this thread from you!...so it's simple post vsa in vsa thread, mp in mp thread and when you post try to post something which can help others...

PS. i really not understand haw i didn't got offended but you did
  • #3,473
  • Sep 28, 2011 2:45pm Sep 28, 2011 2:45pm
Hey Evak and Bandung check this blog out and give some thoughts.

http://www.traderslaboratory.com/for...le-theory.html
  • #3,474
  • Sep 28, 2011 3:19pm Sep 28, 2011 3:19pm
More on the Blog to check out. Very interesting stuff.

http://tradepointsoftware.com/?page_id=581
  • #3,475
  • Sep 28, 2011 5:14pm Sep 28, 2011 5:14pm
  •  s7c
  • | Joined Mar 2011 | Status: try and fail but don't fail to try | 289 Posts
i'm just at the rotation factor in JD first book. i was curious if somebody is using this in his analysis in the way JD does? i mostly do this from price action point of view...mzvega?
  • #3,476
  • Sep 28, 2011 7:18pm Sep 28, 2011 7:18pm
Quoting alexm
...ignore list will do.

exactly right...no need to write pages about nothing.
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #3,477
  • Sep 28, 2011 8:32pm Sep 28, 2011 8:32pm
  •  s7c
  • | Joined Mar 2011 | Status: try and fail but don't fail to try | 289 Posts
today we've opened outside of value but within previous day range.
JD description in case of rejection is: " If the market subsequently breaks-out beyond the extremes of the previous day's range, then the market is coming out of balance and range potential is unlimited in the direction of the break-out".
k, all good but for example today the market had already broke beyond previous day range in the moment of us opening (8am est) so i feel like the idea it would be different, no? of course i can see haw the day progressed so i can take an answer from there but i wanna know if you can generalize that of was just a coincidence.
k, maybe after i read more i will find the answer or...?
  • #3,478
  • Sep 30, 2011 6:39am Sep 30, 2011 6:39am
Hi, Bandung & Bilstein

i would like to know if you have developed an indicator similar to ay-TPo session, but instead of the session it would display the volume by price for an individual bar M1 to H4, like this we could see where is the volume

thanks
  • #3,479
  • Edited Oct 6, 2011 7:44pm Oct 5, 2011 9:08pm | Edited Oct 6, 2011 7:44pm
Quoting Evak
Ok here is both the daily & session profile indicator package with its associated files with moded IB that includes 1.5x,2x & 3xIB bars. (Credit goes to mzvega), I have include a template for daily & 3 session template to get u started.

NOTE: Template is set on IBFX with GMT0. If your Broker GMT let say GMT+2 then adjust the variable "DayStartHour" & "Session hour & color" section of indi ay-TPOChart.v1.02b.mq4 accordingly. Simply add to the numbers..e.g 7+2 =9. For ay-TPOChart-Session.v.100b.mq4
templates

tpo-day-UK.tpl...
Hi Evak, Mzvega and Bandung
Thank you for your very useful indi and info. according to forex market cycle.
( base on GMT+8 TIME).

7:00-11:00 TREND

11:-15:00 REVERSAL

15:00-17:00 TREND

17:00-22:00 REVERSAL

22:00- 2:00 TREND

2:00-7:00 REVERSAL

Can anyone help to edit this 3 session indi to 6 seesion indi(adjustable time to time).
  • #3,480
  • Oct 8, 2011 10:59pm Oct 8, 2011 10:59pm
Quoting s7c
i'm just at the rotation factor in JD first book. i was curious if somebody is using this in his analysis in the way JD does? i mostly do this from price action point of view...mzvega?
I've read JDs book and I found it to be a real eye opener but even he has said recently that he has had to revise some the key concepts because the "market has evolved" especially in relation to how the Locals on the trading pit floor have much less dominance over the so called Initial Balance in the advent of High Frequecy Trading. I can post a link to a more up to date primer on the topic if anyone is interested.
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