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  • #1
  • First Post: Edited 7:06am Sep 5, 2011 5:57am | Edited 7:06am
Greetings!
i would like to get your thoughts on these three, as i might get another trading PC assembled in a few months..
so far, i've only tried Windows XP.
which OS is in your trading PC & why do u prefer it? (please specify the variant --- eg. WinXP Pro, Win7 Ultimate, etc)
pros & cons?
your experiences?

so far, i've seen this Win7 issue several times here already. but i think it's a minor issue.
any other issues?

ok, if u use platforms other than MT4, &/or use Linux, i'd appreciate your input too.

thank you very much!
God bless everyone!
  • #2
  • Edited 6:32am Sep 5, 2011 6:16am | Edited 6:32am
Quoting supremeChaos
Greetings!
i would like to get your thoughts on these three, as i might get another trading PC assembled in a few months..
so far, i've only tried Windows XP.
which OS is in your trading PC & why do u prefer it? (please specify the variant --- eg. WinXP Pro, Win7 Ultimate, etc)
pros & cons?
your experiences?

so far, i've seen this Win7 issue several times here already. but i think it's a minor issue.
any other issues?

thank you very much!
God bless...
SC,

Win XP, hands down, for me - at least if you want to be able to run MT4 without unnecessary headaches.

What might be a "minor issue" for some quickly became a major issue for me. I provided a number of free indys here on FF's Platform tech forum, and then - in response to folk complaining that they couldn't make them work - I spent several hours attempting to debug my code, only to find that in 99% of the cases the error was due to Win7/Vista's stupid UAC permissions. I'm so frustrated that I now decline to answer any questions posted on those threads.

There are possibly other reasons to like Vista or Win7, but as long as I use MT4 I'll be staying with XP as long as I possibly can.

Obviously if you're buying a new PC, then Win7 is the way of the future. And, as you point out, the UAC issue is a minor one if you know how to get around it.

David
  • #3
  • Sep 5, 2011 6:43am Sep 5, 2011 6:43am
Quoting supremeChaos
Greetings!
i would like to get your thoughts on these three, as i might get another trading PC assembled in a few months..
so far, i've only tried Windows XP.
which OS is in your trading PC & why do u prefer it? (please specify the variant --- eg. WinXP Pro, Win7 Ultimate, etc)
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate . . . I never have UAC issues . . .

I ran Vista but never really liked it . . . XP was great in it's day but it is getting old, if you want to run more than 3GB RAM you need x64 . . . if you want decent driver support for newer stuff you need Win 7 . . . on the other hand if you want driver support for older peripherals then they may not be available for Win 7
20 pips a day isn't too much to ask . . .
  • #4
  • Sep 5, 2011 7:02am Sep 5, 2011 7:02am
Quoting RaptorUK
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate . . . I never have UAC issues . . .
I ran Vista but never really liked it . . . XP was great in it's day but it is getting old, if you want to run more than 3GB RAM you need x64 ....
is x64 mandatory for 3GB RAM & up?

i remember reading in the motherboard manual that there seem to be a "limitation" for WinXP if u use more than 4GB RAM. not sure if this is a motherboard-specific issue.
(my current trading PC uses Asrock 880GM-LE.. it says in the mobo manual "Due to the OS limitation, the actual memory size may be less than 4GB for the reservation for system usage under Win7/XP. for Windows OS with 64-bit CPU, there is no such limitation")
would it really be inefficient to use more than 4GB RAM in such motherboards?

also, i've checked Win7 Ultimate-specific features. i think most are unrelated/unnecessary to trading, please correct me if im wrong. i think it's possible u are using your PC for varied purpose.


Sir David, Sir RaptorUK, everyone else,
how much RAM do u have on your PC?

thank you to all replies!

Quoting hanover
...
There are possibly other reasons to like Vista or Win7, but as long as I use MT4 I'll be staying with XP as long as I possibly can...
yes, we probably still have 5 to 15 years to use WinXP.


just FYI. looking around, i saw this initially..
an old Windows Vista thread.
  • #5
  • Sep 5, 2011 7:12am Sep 5, 2011 7:12am
Quoting supremeChaos
(my current trading PC uses Asrock 880GM-LE.. it says in the mobo manual "Due to the OS limitation, the actual memory size may be less than 4GB for the reservation for system usage under Win7/XP. for Windows OS with 64-bit CPU, there is no such limitation")
would it really be inefficient to use more than 4GB RAM in such motherboards?
Yes it would be pointless . . . unless you use a 64 bit OS, there is a 64 bit version of XP.

Quoting supremeChaos
also, i've checked Win7 Ultimate-specific features. i think most are unrelated/unnecessary to trading, please correct me if im wrong. i think it's possible u are using your PC for varied purpose.
Correct, I had access to Pro and Ultimate version of Win 7 so I installed Ultimate . . . it's not needed for trading . .


Quoting supremeChaos
Sir David, Sir RaptorUK, everyone else,
how much RAM do u have on your PC?
I have 6GB . . it's been enough so far in 3 years of use.
20 pips a day isn't too much to ask . . .
  • #6
  • Sep 5, 2011 7:24am Sep 5, 2011 7:24am
Quoting supremeChaos
Greetings!
i would like to get your thoughts on these three, as i might get another trading PC assembled in a few months..
I would consider looking at getting a good VPS service and just connect a remote desktop session to it from your current PC (XP upwards). The remote desktop doesn't require much processing power but a decent broadband internet connection would be required.

No worries about power supply, dropped internet connection, leaving the PC on overnight, etc.

It depends on your trading style. Certainly if you run EAs it is the way to go.

Regards, Paul.
  • #7
  • Sep 5, 2011 8:15am Sep 5, 2011 8:15am
Quoting nubcake
win7 64 bit hands down no comparison to anything else.
blah blah blah xp blah blah fuck off.
not much meat in your post.
i asked several questions, & all u came up with is "win7 hands down... blah blah fuck off" rubbish.

maybe u wanna write a much sensible post? i'll give u several days to kindly do so.
{ if u do not...
else
}

thank you!

Quoting pah
I would consider looking at getting a good VPS service and just connect a remote desktop session to it from your current PC (XP upwards)...
thank you Sir Paul.
VPS & dedicated server are possible options for me down the road.
can i use them if i dont use EAs?
also, we currently dont have "decent" broadband connections here in the Philippines. ok we probably do, but it serves certain areas only.


again, thank you to all!
  • #8
  • Sep 5, 2011 8:26am Sep 5, 2011 8:26am
Quoting supremeChaos
not much meat in your post.
i asked several questions, & all u came up with is "win7 hands down... blah blah fuck off" rubbish.

maybe u wanna write a much sensible post? i'll give u several days to kindly do so.
{ if u do not...
else
}

thank you!


thank you Sir Paul.
VPS & dedicated server are possible options for me down the road.
can i use them if i dont use EAs?
also, we currently dont have "decent" broadband connections here in the Philippines. ok we probably do, but it serves certain areas only.


again, thank you to...
which do i prefer? win7 64 bit! that's plenty of meat. there's no reason, and i mean NO reason for anyone not to prefer win7... and the xp lovers, and you know who you are, can stay in the dark ages and enjoy no further support from microsoft and the derision of those who are using a superior OS.

to answer the why? just find someone somewhere who is running win7, have a bit of a play around in it, and then head to your nearest shop to purchase yourself an OEM copy.

there is NO reason to want any other microsoft OS. if you are a linux fan or a mac fan, then your options are different, but that's not your question. if it's a trading pc, simply install mt4 somewhere unique, like a separate drive or whatnot and you have zero issues from then onwards. it's just that simple, yet some can't get their head around this and keep asking why their shit don't work right on 7 blahblah.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #9
  • Sep 5, 2011 8:51am Sep 5, 2011 8:51am
Quoting nubcake
which do i prefer? win7 64 bit! that's plenty of meat. there's no reason, and i mean NO reason for anyone not to prefer win7... and the xp lovers, and you know who you are, can stay in the dark ages and enjoy no further support from microsoft and the derision of those who are using a superior OS...
i've asked for specifics. u seem to have a habit of skipping words , posts, sentences...
so i'll reiterate: which win7 do u prefer?

if my inference skill is still top notch, then u are indirectly attacking one of the posters
here (among possibly others in the forum).
no need for that because the issue at hand is a matter of taste, utility &/or perspective.

i dont know anyone who has win7 & trades, so it's inapplicable to me & that's why i've asked here for input.
still not much meat, but u added some meat on your 2nd post & i appreciate it, seriously.
but if u wanna add more input, your own Win7 detailed experiences, then it'll help further. (i asked leading questions, u came up with general/open-ended replies)
  • #10
  • Sep 5, 2011 9:11am Sep 5, 2011 9:11am
Quoting supremeChaos
VPS & dedicated server are possible options for me down the road.
can i use them if i dont use EAs?
You can use them just like you would your 'local' PC. They are better suited to EAs because they are up all the time without interruption (99% of the time usually at least). They are fine if you just trade manually too.

Quoting supremeChaos
also, we currently dont have "decent" broadband connections here in the Philippines. ok we probably do, but it serves certain areas only.
The remote desktops still work even with slow modem internet connections (56K) but I would suggest that the poorest broadband (512K or 1M) would be more than adequate. The important thing (depending on trading style) is you will probably have a very fast connection to your brokers trade server depending on where that is and where your VPS is hosted.

Regards, Paul.
  • #11
  • Sep 5, 2011 9:21am Sep 5, 2011 9:21am
Quoting supremeChaos
i've asked for specifics. u seem to have a habit of skipping words , posts, sentences...
so i'll reiterate: which win7 do u prefer?

if my inference skill is still top notch, then u are indirectly attacking one of the posters
here (among possibly others in the forum).
no need for that because the issue at hand is a matter of taste, utility &/or perspective.

i dont know anyone who has win7 & trades, so it's inapplicable to me & that's why i've asked here for input.
still not much meat, but u added some meat on your 2nd post & i appreciate...
your spidey senses are finely tuned.

my old pc was crapping itself frequently which i suspect was an issue with the motherboard.... so i built a new rig and also purchased 7 64 bit home premium. no need for anything more. i don't need to be able to run a xp environment within 7 and whatever other upgrades are available at a higher cost.

it's been nothing but joy! legacy programs are not designed for win7, so expect teething issues, but a quick google will always reveal a simple solution. the link you posted to about the so-called frequent win7 issue is simply ignorance on the part of users.... there is no issue. win7 is working perfectly, it's just not putting files where muppets expect them to be when they go rooting around in places they were never meant to go looking.

there's plenty to like about 7, and instead of listing them it's already listed and explained plenty-well right here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7

the first half especially gets me hard and precisely the things i would have typed about, the second-half is more on the technical side of things and not as noticeable but still all good shit nonetheless!

you are doing yourself a major disservice to use vista. and using xp is like... eating a rotten tomato with a side of urine. win 7 is like eating a footlong sub with a 600ml coke and then banging rachel bilson while playing some xbox. the choice is simple.

i do selectively read, btw. i skim because most posts are by stooges and not worth reading. so i ration my time spent on each post until something catches my eye. my love for win7 made this thread catch my eye.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #12
  • Sep 5, 2011 9:23am Sep 5, 2011 9:23am
Quoting nubcake
and the xp lovers, and you know who you are, can stay in the dark ages and enjoy no further support from microsoft and the derision of those who are using a superior OS.
Extended XP support runs until April 8, 2014
20 pips a day isn't too much to ask . . .
  • #13
  • Sep 5, 2011 9:52am Sep 5, 2011 9:52am
Quoting RaptorUK
Extended XP support runs until April 8, 2014
.... hulk SMASH!!!!!

either way i'll be enjoying a very sweet OS while others would rather use a dinosaur OS by comparison. my taskbar will be forever uncluttered. my windows in use will be nicely arranged within moments due to aero snap which is great for putting mt4 on one half of the screen instantly and then firefox on the other half (or as i do it half-n-half firefox and media center on one side and mt4 on the other), and aero also makes all windows visually sexy and transparent so i can see what's beneath top windows. i'll be enjoying watching tv in the updated media center. i'll be able to laugh at the desktop slideshow due to the various comic images i have set as available desktop images, which i have set to rotate every 10 minutes to a random image, and if i happen to have some windows in the way i'll enjoy still seeing the current desktop by using aero peek via hovering my mouse over the bottom right corner and then go back to what i was doing by moving my mouse away from the corner and continue use like normal. i'll be enjoying desktop gadgets set to a transparency which allows me to see what would otherwise be blocked by the few gadgets i have on the desktop. i'll be enjoying the ability to let windows troubleshoot any network issues automatically if i configure something incorrectly or add a new wireless dongle (and bridging is so easy unlike how xp made me jump through a few hoops). i'll be enjoying all of the behind-the-scenes ways in which windows now keeps itself safer than previously that i never even know about since it's so unobtrusive. i'll be enjoying the jump lists and opening recent files faster than ever before.

the list goes on and on beyond what i can think of. it's all just 'right', and just 'is'.

i'll be enjoying a stable OS that does what it's supposed to do and makes just about everything as simple as can be and also only a few clicks away.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #14
  • Sep 5, 2011 10:40am Sep 5, 2011 10:40am
I personally would only trade from a VPS for a number of reasons. That being said, in regards to OS:

XP was released nearly 10 years ago. CPU's have come a long way since then and if you want to take advantage of the modern CPU technology - and everything else that comes with the new OS's - Win7 is the way to go. It's not even close.
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  • #15
  • Sep 5, 2011 10:59am Sep 5, 2011 10:59am
hey supreme c..... mentioned to you before about my habit of new computers every 6 months..... everything running now has windows7, and i'm perfectly pleased with it..... they all run multiple platforms both wireless and wired with no hitches or glitches.....

it took about 5 minutes to notice the win7 user account issue and less time to solve it......

windows 95 and 98 had some pot holes, but not with metatrader of course.......

once the newer versions such as xp, vista, and now win7, everything has been hunky dory....... waiting on win8.....

as hannover mentioned when writing code for others their problems become yours......

microsoft slowly stops supporting earlier versions.....

i've been dealin with computers a long long time..... it seems best to focus on their positives and adapt to their negatives.......

as long as they don't revert back to using the 3.5 boot disk, i'm happy......

now that was a royal pain.......h


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failed to mention spec's.... this is what is with me right now..... others at house differ.....

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  • #16
  • Edited 12:13pm Sep 5, 2011 11:50am | Edited 12:13pm
I liked it a lot better when code had 8-bits and goto...
64K of memory. 1 letter variables to save a few bytes.
There was no internet, so we had all the time in the world.
Read the manual, wow. Type-ins. Every month an in depth article on some obscure piece of code. Way to go...

There is a lot of that in coding for MT4, constraints & workarounds, fun of the puzzle. In the end things are comprehensible.

Not so for any commercial OS. And, since I pay good money for them, I certainly expect them to operate in a timely fashion.
Because, hey, we did it all by hand...
  • #17
  • Sep 5, 2011 1:09pm Sep 5, 2011 1:09pm
Quoting supremeChaos
Sir David, Sir RaptorUK, everyone else,
how much RAM do u have on your PC?
My PC is about 4 years old and has 1GB RAM.

Re OS, I guess to some extent it depends on what your requirements are. In your first post you had the words "trading PC" embolded, and I happen to know that you run MT4, hence I framed my reply accordingly. As an oldie, I run very little candy and am happy with XP, as it meets my own requirements more than adequately, just like my comfortable old pair of trainers. If it ain't broke, why be in a hurry to fix it?

Having said that, even we oldies must concede that the days of being able to exert some control over your PC through the DOS command line are long gone; unless you're willing to stray from the industry standard OS, you must - for better or worse - allow Windows to manage your PC for you. Where I live (NZ), virtually all new PCs come pre-loaded with Win7, and IMO it would be remiss not to take heed of where the industry (read Microsoft) is heading. When I do get around to buying again it will definitely be Win7, but until then I'll very happily suffer nubcake's derision and spend my hard earned $$$ elsewhere.
  • #18
  • Edited 3:24pm Sep 5, 2011 2:53pm | Edited 3:24pm
Quoting hayseed
hey supreme c..... mentioned to you before about my habit of new computers every 6 months.......
as long as they don't revert back to using the 3.5 boot disk, i'm happy......
...
haha.. im old enough to remember the flimsy floppies. used it back in high school (secondary school).
if i remember correctly, tech.companies deliberately churn out technological advancements at regular intervals (months/years apart) to keep the business profits flowing (eg. floppy - mini floppy - cd - dvd, blu-ray etc. - usb sticks/thumbdrive/pendrive). the bad news is this churns out e-waste too.

btw, what happens to your 6month old PCs? u just dump them?
maybe u can dump them on my garage

Quoting apipshort
I liked it a lot better when code had 8-bits and goto...
64K of memory. 1 letter variables to save a few bytes.
There was no internet, so we had all the time in the world.
Read the manual, wow. Type-ins. Every month an in depth article on some obscure piece of code. Way to go.....
the older one is , the more memories there are to cherish
glad to see your 2nd post is on my thread!

Quoting hanover
...When I do get around to buying again it will definitely be Win7, but until then I'll very happily suffer nubcake's derision and spend my hard earned $$$ elsewhere.
haha.. i wonder how young nubcake is compared to u guys. he seems to abhor 'old' technology.
not sure if NZ'ers are inherently frugal... if not, i know where/whom u imbibed it from.
  • #19
  • Sep 5, 2011 2:59pm Sep 5, 2011 2:59pm
Quoting supremeChaos
haha.. i wonder how young nubcake is compared to u guys. he seems to abhor 'old' technology.
not sure if NZ'ers are inherently frugal... if not, i know where/whom u imbibed it from.
old enough to remember that 3.5's are hardly "floppy". i'm sure i even have one or two in my drawer. i hold them tight and close my eyes dreaming of the "good old days" when you had to type your commands onto a blank screen that had nothing but a cursor... and maybe not even showing your current directory unless you altered your autoexec.bat file and put in a prompt command with the appropriate tokens after it... memory serving it was $c$g or something suchlike.

oh the good old days, before nasty old UAC wah wah wah.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #20
  • Sep 5, 2011 3:22pm Sep 5, 2011 3:22pm
Quoting nubcake
old enough to remember that 3.5's are hardly "floppy". i'm sure i even have one or two in my drawer.....
hahahah...
i see. so u must be in your late 20's to 30's. my spidey senses are indeed fine
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