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  • #1
  • First Post: Aug 16, 2011 10:06am Aug 16, 2011 10:06am
I just wanted to ask fellow traders....being in trading for long( i have been for 4 years now) ...did it made you more spiritual...reason is we have so much internal dialogue going on while trading...

Has the trading started affecting your real life...way i trade i have to throw the ego out the door...now earlier i was told i am one hell of arrogant guy but now people see i have melloed down as they tell me....

what kind of spiritual realization have you felt being in trading....

just my question

V
  • #2
  • Aug 16, 2011 6:03pm Aug 16, 2011 6:03pm
Ebb and flow... placed same concepts into life. We can't control anything but our own decisions... mise well make the decisions that better your life.
  • #3
  • Aug 16, 2011 6:51pm Aug 16, 2011 6:51pm
Quoting Venice
Ebb and flow... placed same concepts into life. We can't control anything but our own decisions... mise well make the decisions that better your life.
  • #4
  • Aug 16, 2011 10:47pm Aug 16, 2011 10:47pm
Hello V,
-I used to b an extremist kind of person (either white or black), now i understand that everything is relative..
-Now I dont attach my ego with my assumptions, i react to what i see and am quick to mend my mistakes..

Keep Well..
KS..
  • #5
  • Aug 17, 2011 12:44am Aug 17, 2011 12:44am
now i take profit and loss without being too excited or being so depressed.
Trade responsiblypatience is the key/Swing trader
  • #6
  • Aug 17, 2011 1:06am Aug 17, 2011 1:06am
I have come to understand how the market constantly entices you to act on your most basic, raw primal instincts. Only discipline, experience, and a well defined trading system can override those instincts.....that is enlightenment!!
  • #7
  • Aug 17, 2011 8:24am Aug 17, 2011 8:24am
Quoting Troikaone1
I have come to understand how the market constantly entices you to act on your most basic, raw primal instincts. Only discipline, experience, and a well defined trading system can override those instincts.....that is enlightenment!!
Enlightenment is a never ending journey...few of the phrases i have kinda started to agree is


•At the end its all relative.
•Everything is fixed yet nothing is fixed
•What is wrong today may be right tomorrow….what is right today may be wrong tomorrow…



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  • #8
  • Aug 17, 2011 8:41am Aug 17, 2011 8:41am
Hi,

I have been in trading from last 7 yrs now. I took me many yrs to become profitable. Trading is my full time bread-butter-Wine ! It really has taught the hard lessons which have sculpted me over these years.

The dark phase in trading before some years affected me severely since it was the only job I was doing. I was caught in between the river of crocodiles. There was no U turn since the time spend was great and I was not doing much nice. The struggle was intense and peers, family and societal pressure was on it's peak. But I managed to flow in the river. This dark phase in trading has taught me many things about life! and I mean by it

Another thing trading has taught me is not to judge a single trade outcome. We should judge and draw conclusion after several say more than 20 to 30 trades. This thing has helped me a lot in the sense that I no longer pass judgment at an instant on any person or any situation.

Trading has taught me to be humble. It has inculcated patience and discipline which helped me in personal life a lot!

Also there is constant self dialogue which really boosts the communication with the self and both- the good and bad qualities are surfaced ( in live trading ) which we are not aware otherwise.

There are many many things that are beyond my words to put here! If you seriously devote your life to trading, there will be definitely self transformation ....

best wishes
Winston
Trading is a delicate balance of Strategy , Money management and Psychology
  • #9
  • Edited 9:26am Aug 17, 2011 8:45am | Edited 9:26am
Quoting oneuniverse
There are many many things that are beyond my words to put here! If you seriously devote your life to trading, there will be definitely self transformation ....
Indeed, nothing but a warrior inside
  • #10
  • Aug 17, 2011 9:14am Aug 17, 2011 9:14am
I second the warrior part (more in a Carlos Castenada way tho)..

I see trading as a Zen experience. Trading, especially daytrading, peaks one's awareness, allowing for an expansion of the sense of Self to take place, but only if you can get past the rush, breathing, the primal signs.

Primal Reactions=Fear, Greed, Euphoria
Mental Reactions= Judgement, Associatioin, Projection
Spiritual Reactions= Increased Awareness, Time Slows down (eternity peaking out), realization

There is certainly a journey taking place while trading. But its really upto the Trader to utilize the time spent trading to hone one's attachment and awareness, most get sucked into the primal and mental reactions and spend a cycle trying to understand why they are losing in trading, which is why its helpful to have a system, it helps manage the reactions.

If you want to understand the mind while trading, read I AM THAT, "I Am That" preserves Maharaj's dialogues with the followers who came from around the world seeking his guidance in destroying false identities. The sage's sole concern was with human suffering and the ending of suffering. It was his mission to guide the individual to an understanding of his true nature and the timelessness of being. He taught that mind must recognize and penetrate its own state of being, "being this or that, here or that, then or now," but just timeless being.

Talk about a shock reading that book! When you understand the qualities of the mind, and how the body reacts (the body cannot lie but the mind can, and whatever the mind perceives, the body reacts [emotions]), then trading BECOMES the spiritual experience.

Above Book Excerpts:

Too much analysis leads you nowhere. There is in you the core of being which is beyond analysis, beyond the mind. You can know it in action only. The legitimate function of the mind is to tell you what is not. But if you want possitive knowledge, you must go beyond the mind.

Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination.

[With self-awareness] you grow more intelligent. In awareness you learn, in self-awareness you learn about yourself. Of course, you can only learn what you are not. To know what you are, you must go beyond the mind. Awareness is the point at which the mind reaches out beyond itself into reality. In awareness you seek not what pleases, but what is true.

Also, great quotes about having a warrior's stance, attitude etc. are by Carlos Castenada (www.prismagems.com/castaneda/), and David Deida (Superior Male)

Peace!
  • #11
  • Aug 17, 2011 9:44am Aug 17, 2011 9:44am
Quoting EmptyEterniT
I second the warrior part (more in a Carlos Castenada way tho)..

I see trading as a Zen experience. Trading, especially daytrading, peaks one's awareness, allowing for an expansion of the sense of Self to take place, but only if you can get past the rush, breathing, the primal signs.

Primal Reactions=Fear, Greed, Euphoria
Mental Reactions= Judgement, Associatioin, Projection
Spiritual Reactions= Increased Awareness, Time Slows down (eternity peaking out), realization

There is certainly a journey taking place while trading. But its really...
Thanks for the book name...will definately go through it....

at the end it comes down to one sentence...

"Can you follow"


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  • #12
  • Aug 22, 2011 3:44pm Aug 22, 2011 3:44pm
Just a bump
  • #13
  • Aug 22, 2011 8:51pm Aug 22, 2011 8:51pm
hello Vic,
not necessarily entirely spiritual...

- my desire to continue to donate has never waned. actually, the desire increased. i haven't fulfilled my specific goal yet but it will come sooner or later.

- i learned to become more humble, patient.. & still continue to improve.

- i learned to become more flexible, perceptive/alert.

- i learned to accept multiple mistakes & let it happen. i learned that trading is a different realm wherein we can make mistakes & yet still be right &/or do well in the end.

nice thread.
thanks for all the posts here.
  • #14
  • Aug 22, 2011 9:40pm Aug 22, 2011 9:40pm
Quoting supremeChaos
hello Vic,
not necessarily entirely spiritual...

- my desire to continue to donate has never waned. actually, the desire increased. i haven't fulfilled my specific goal yet but it will come sooner or later.

- i learned to become more humble, patient.. & still continue to improve.

- i learned to become more flexible, perceptive/alert.

- i learned to accept multiple mistakes & let it happen. i learned that trading is a different realm wherein we can make mistakes & yet still be right &/or do well in the end.

nice thread.
thanks for...
I think i should have rephrased the thread....

what all trading has bought changes in you....

as you said those are profond changes which dont come easily.......

trading does help...

V
  • #15
  • Aug 22, 2011 10:10pm Aug 22, 2011 10:10pm
Quoting indianguyinny24
I just wanted to ask fellow traders....being in trading for long( i have been for 4 years now) ...did it made you more spiritual...reason is we have so much internal dialogue going on while trading...

Has the trading started affecting your real life...way i trade i have to throw the ego out the door...now earlier i was told i am one hell of arrogant guy but now people see i have melloed down as they tell me....

what kind of spiritual realization have you felt being in trading....

just my question

V
I'm not sure it's an ego issue. The more you know the markets subtleties, the more you trade discriminatingly with that knowledge. Spiritually, I don't believe that there is anywhere to go or that anyone or anything is right or wrong....I guess I am a nihilist.

The cosmos is a pretty brutal yet creative place. Of course, if you can get a hold of your emotions in the course of learning to trade, thats a plus for living generally. However, if you can't, life's not so easy but in the scheme of things, it doesn't matter in the end, IMHO.
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #16
  • Aug 22, 2011 10:25pm Aug 22, 2011 10:25pm
Quoting indianguyinny24
I just wanted to ask fellow traders....being in trading for long( i have been for 4 years now) ...did it made you more spiritual...reason is we have so much internal dialogue going on while trading...

Has the trading started affecting your real life...way i trade i have to throw the ego out the door...now earlier i was told i am one hell of arrogant guy but now people see i have melloed down as they tell me....

what kind of spiritual realization have you felt being in trading....

just my question

V
I'm a much happier person now because I work my trading with The Law of Attraction. I worry about nothing. I trade comfortably. My mind is stronger and free. I am much more positive person. Life's good and getting better =)
The tone of your words reflects the quality and result of your trading ;-)
  • #17
  • Sep 8, 2011 1:03am Sep 8, 2011 1:03am
The best trades are made without thinking, when you surpass the concepts, the knowledge and you reach the subconscious, where creativity and instincts lays and connects you to Greater Energy. Once you there you flow, there is not contraction but only expansion to enter the doctrine of vibration. Yes, trading is very much knowing yourself and the realisation of one helps the other.

mla
"The Heart is the hub of all dances; go there and chill out"
  • #18
  • Sep 8, 2011 4:51am Sep 8, 2011 4:51am
As a trader you contribute nothing to the world. If you want to believe the hype about how we add market liquidity, go right ahead. Im sure the Forex and equity mkts need more traders desperately or they will fold, right? So, to me, the beauty of this game is to share the experience with a room or at least a small group of other traders and build each other up. And then, unless you are a total ass, give 5 or 10% of what you make away to people who have nothing, or get a fellow trader who needs a stake started. Contribute something! Give something back to the world because in 50 years no one will remember who the most successful trader of 2011 is nor will they care. I thought when I joined a prop room 2 years ago that the guy whose initials are O.V. was that kind of guy, being a bestselling author and all. But it seems that the greedy just want more and more. Right now after 10 years of swing trading and putting in maybe 30 min a day trading and making over 25% a year for about 4 years and then trying to go pro and be a day trader and play gaps and get into Forex and I still cant turn a profit and Im putting in 8 hours a day studying and watching. Why? It isnt fun anymore. Would you want your son to grow up and spend 20 years sitting in a room by himself so he can maybe retire at 45 or 50? And what happens if you bust out and you are already middle aged and are sick of trading but dont know anything else? Im there right now and it aint fun.

This is why I am trying to get 4-6 serious guys of all ages to join together and get an office (be committed to move anywhere in the USA!) and form a brotherhood, a family of guys that just learn from each other and enjoy talking trading and caring about each other as friends. Now thats spiritual!!!
  • #19
  • Sep 8, 2011 7:12am Sep 8, 2011 7:12am
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  • #20
  • Sep 8, 2011 9:05am Sep 8, 2011 9:05am
Quoting Fudomyo
this made me think ..... awesome...


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