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  • Jun 18, 2011 12:53pm Jun 18, 2011 12:53pm
  •  MuddBuddha
  • Joined May 2005 | Status: Member | 945 Posts
Quoting ha-pattern
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And, this happens a little at a time -- You think you have an edge, then your account fails, so you start over; or, you find something new to improve your edge, and a new method is an untested method, so you fail. Repeat as needed: I've been through maybe a thousand accounts of the past few years.
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Well said. Trust me, none of my first post comes from anything less than personal experience as well as observation of others I've befriended, tutored, and observed in various forums.

IF I had all the money I had margined my way out of before "growing up" as a trader, well....I'd have a lot more money!
Capital Preservation is key to long term wealth accumulation
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  •  MuddBuddha
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Quoting Larseg
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No quote necessary so +1. Vouched.
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Thank you, buddy.

It's an honor coming from you.
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  •  bug
  • Joined Jan 2010 | Status: cash is a position too | 958 Posts
MuddBuddha
Thank you for taking the time to write down and share your thoughts with us. I find myself agreeing with what you wrote and I copied a few lines that struck me into a Word doc. They struck me because I recognized myself from the description. Some of the traits and habits you mentioned I have put behind my back but I find myself having trouble with others. From the rock that I'm standing on it's impossible to tell whether I'm one of those who are bound to be failures. A person standing next to me might have a better chance at recognizing whether I belong to the first or second group (perceptional fallacies and biases make it difficult for one to accurately asses oneself). I firmly believe in success through hard work and persistence and I will use your thoughts, combining them with my own, to focus my trading development outside of charts. Recently I've been putting far too much emphasis on charts and price movements which has led me to leave the 'human resources/skills' department without the proper attention it deserves. Thank you for provoking me to refocus. You can be sure that your 'electronic ink' hasn't gone to waste.

PS. It's not a big thing coming from a relatively new member like me but I think you deserve a +1.
If you don't risk, you don't ever have to lose.
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  •  privatefr
  • | Joined Jun 2004 | Status: Professional Trader | 346 Posts
It was pleasure to read your post, it was a small masterpiece in an ocean of lost posts!!

IMHO opinion the value or not of a demo account depends on the trader. Demo accounts are perfect to test new strategies, and can be valuable for new traders only if they trade them with the same seriousness than a real one. I now it is hard, but not impossible.

Regards

Pepe
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  • Jun 21, 2011 10:56pm Jun 21, 2011 10:56pm
  •  2+2=4ex
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Excellent post. This is something all traders should read, beginner or experienced. Thanks for writing it.
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  •  Troikaone1
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It was pleasure to read your post, it was a small masterpiece in an ocean of lost posts!!

IMHO opinion the value or not of a demo account depends on the trader. Demo accounts are perfect to test new strategies, and can be valuable for new traders only if they trade them with the same seriousness than a real one. I now it is hard, but not impossible.

Regards

Pepe
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When I first started trading in a demo account I had all of about 2 months of FX trading experience. If I had demoed for a year, I still would not have been ready to trade live. One month of being exposed to FX is like taking the first bite of eating an entire elephant. Trying to debate the merits of whether or not a demo account is worthwhile, is a mute argument when it comes to a beginner trader. The reality is that it takes well over 25,000 hours to begin to become a competent FX trader. Trading the demo is part of the first few baby steps of a significant journey. I thought I knew all I needed to know in my first, second, third, and fourth year of trading FX.......I wasn't even close in my first couple of years because I didn't know what I didn't know.

If you are currently trading a demo account, you are probably a newbie trader. Please do not call yourself a FX trader after trading in your demo account after 5 months or whatever. As I said earlier.....the only thing that a demo account experience will do for a newbie trader is delay the inevitable; which is losing consistently.

Every new trader should start out with a demo account. Learn as much as you can and find creative ways to challenge yourself while in demo mode. It is an absolute shame that you will still be uniquely unqualified to trade FX live afterwards which is unique to any profession that I can think of. When a pilot finishes flight simulator classes it is part of a certification process where he or she will have 50% of what it takes to be a good pilot afterwards. Whereas, when you finish trading a demo account, you probably only have 1% of what it takes to be a good trader.
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  •  MuddBuddha
  • Joined May 2005 | Status: Member | 945 Posts
I'm really honored by the overwhelming response to the post article. I'm sincerely glad it's helped/inspired/re-inspired the few who have read it.

In a forum this large, finding the rare few who are the "white sands on a black sand beach" is hard. They don't post the most, they don't argue over fundamentals nor debate the practicality of technicals; but when they do emerge to comment on a article such as this, it's truely an honor.
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  •  wannaberich
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there is more to the first post on this thread than some whole threads.

WBR
dreams do come true.
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  •  wannaberich
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(which is something that is mandatory )

i will never forget this sentence:

The Green Bay Packers have never lost a game. They’ve only ever ran out of time.

but doesn't it go against the fundamental mind change that is accepting loss?
dreams do come true.
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  •  deltatrade
  • Joined Mar 2010 | Status: strategy development | 643 Posts
Quoting MuddBuddha
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*“I’ve never had a losing trade. I’ve only ever ran out of margin.”

[font=Calibri][size=4]Over the years of trading, learning, and mentoring other traders I’ve come across traders who are naturally gifted and there was no doubt that they would succeed, while others were obviously bound to fail often time and time again. Some can learn new techniques and adapt fairly quickly while others refuse to let go of preconceived paradigms that block them from realizing vital changes in market...
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another bullshit article about discretionary trading.
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  •  profook
  • | Joined Jul 2011 | Status: Member | 105 Posts
Quoting wannaberich
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(which is something that is mandatory )

i will never forget this sentence:

The Green Bay Packers have never lost a game. They’ve only ever ran out of time.

but doesn't it go against the fundamental mind change that is accepting loss?
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Love it, being a Packers fan! :-D

As for the article, I saved it into a Word Doc. Thanks for sharing your words, thoughts and experiences!
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