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  • #101
  • Jun 25, 2011 7:50pm Jun 25, 2011 7:50pm
Quoting Troikaone1
Charlie Parker, a musician, was another big time drug user that revolutionized jazz as we know it. There are elements of his creative contributions that you can take for granted. Also, Sigmund Freud was a big cocaine user and revolutionized psychological assessments. Again, when you accelerate the brain like that, you will pay a dreadful price for it.

I believe successful trading is about making correct correlations. Like I mentioned before, when I am slightly stressed after a major loss, my brain goes into overdrive and pushes my sub concious...
Very well could be. We know the body and mind have natural defense mechanisms built in. All this talk about "outside" factors that can improve trading or analyzation skills now has me thinking, what else can I do to help my thinking? LOL. I know it's been mentioned before, but I think it's worth mentioning again that it is important to sleep well. I also think eating and drinking healthy is important. It will help you think better, make more money and live longer to be able to spend that money! Now I only wonder if more bedroom action (if you know what I mean ) helps clear the mind also?! I will need to go over this with my girlfriend .
  • #102
  • Jun 25, 2011 7:52pm Jun 25, 2011 7:52pm
Quoting ha-pattern
There's supposed to be separate neural receptors for some of the more popular drugs, such as for (endo)cannabinoids and nicotinics, and widespread effect for others (http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_...ar_alcool.html ). Then again, there's potential brain damage ( http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-sci...nd-drug-abuse/).
That is the risk with this one. Of course, it would be prudent to use very occasionally (if one is to use). Like only to study weekly and monthly charts, lol.
  • #103
  • Jun 25, 2011 8:07pm Jun 25, 2011 8:07pm
Quoting Troikaone1
Charlie Parker, a musician, was another big time drug user that revolutionized jazz as we know it. There are elements of his creative contributions that you can take for granted. Also, Sigmund Freud was a big cocaine user and revolutionized psychological assessments. Again, when you accelerate the brain like that, you will pay a dreadful price for it.

I believe successful trading is about making correct correlations. Like I mentioned before, when I am slightly stressed after a major loss, my brain goes into overdrive and pushes my sub concious...
Speaking of MAJOR discoveries... you mentioned in an earlier post that at some point you had discovered why some trade setups worked while other similar setups failed.

I imagine if you could identify the difference between the 2, that would be a fairly powerful discovery.

care to drop a hint?
  • #104
  • Jun 25, 2011 8:10pm Jun 25, 2011 8:10pm
Quoting mr.marketz
Speaking of MAJOR discoveries...
Columbus discovered North America tripping on opium. Okay that was a lame joke haha.
  • #105
  • Jun 25, 2011 8:14pm Jun 25, 2011 8:14pm
Quoting ha-pattern
There's supposed to be separate neural receptors for some of the more popular drugs, such as for (endo)cannabinoids (http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-own-marijuana), muscarinics and nicotinics ( http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...rugs+betel+nut; http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...5055147AAFD3LK ),
and widespread effect for others (http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_...ar_alcool.html ).
Then again,...
Just got this link from i-doser: it's an instrumental that's supposed to simulate a "coke high"

http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_67/...wCocaineQH.mp3

errr, not sure it's exactly the same feeling...

Sounds more like poorly produced electronic music
  • #106
  • Jun 25, 2011 8:53pm Jun 25, 2011 8:53pm
Quoting 2+2=4ex
Very well could be. We know the body and mind have natural defense mechanisms built in. All this talk about "outside" factors that can improve trading or analyzation skills now has me thinking, what else can I do to help my thinking? LOL. I know it's been mentioned before, but I think it's worth mentioning again that it is important to sleep well. I also think eating and drinking healthy is important. It will help you think better, make more money and live longer to be able to spend that money! Now I only wonder if more bedroom action (if you...
Try meditation.

The art is to get into a state of mind where both your sub-concious and concious minds communciate with each other. In normal state, your concious mind has no idea what is stored in your sub-concious mind. During meditation you may reach a point where your concious mind gets a glimps of certain things stored in you sub-concious mind in perfectly alingned manner. One has no control over what is presented to concious mind, but if you get even a flash of these aligned sub-concious things related to trading, you have hit the holi-grail. Sometimes, you just get an idea that requires further work.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #107
  • Jun 25, 2011 9:18pm Jun 25, 2011 9:18pm
Quoting mr.marketz
Speaking of MAJOR discoveries... you mentioned in an earlier post that at some point you had discovered why some trade setups worked while other similar setups failed.

I imagine if you could identify the difference between the 2, that would be a fairly powerful discovery.

care to drop a hint?
It has to do with a thing I coined as "RTB Delta = Red Line Thrust Bar Delta". It is a series of correlations that has taken me years to perfect. I mastered different elements of it over the years, but I was never able to combine all the different components into one unified concept. For instance, for my first two years I focused on one particular timeframe. I did everything to make that timeframe work but I couldn't. My most significant correlation having to do with moving averages, I discovered in my first six months of trading, but it would be three years before I could fully exploit it. I knew it worked to perfection, but I couldn't explain when it didn't work. Once I discovered RTB Delta, everything made sense because I could see things in the correct context. It was proof that there are definite fractal relationships in the financial markets. And yes, I discovered RTB Delta a year ago after I suffered a sizeable loss....if I had put my head down and threw a major tandrum I would have never discovered it. Instead, with great effort I decided to go ahead and review/document what happened and in the process of meticulously reviewing a disasterous trade, I came up with RTB Delta.....I will never forget it. Lesson to the wise, keep grinding, and never give up.

Now, can I tell you specifically what I am talking about? HELL TO THE NO........lol......it is like giving away 25,000+ hours of research for free...if you are an experienced trader then you know the rules (I wouldn't expect you to share your real strategy either). However, I have shared extensively that trading successfully is all about coming up with the right correlations. Everything has to work in harmony with everything else.
  • #108
  • Jun 25, 2011 9:55pm Jun 25, 2011 9:55pm
Quoting Troikaone1
.......................lol......it is like giving away 25,000+ hours of research for free...if you are an experienced trader then you know the rules (I wouldn't expect you to share your real strategy either). However, I have shared extensively that trading successfully is all about coming up with the right correlations. Everything has to work in harmony with everything else.
LOL. If you even force your precious 25,000+ hours strategy down the throats of others they will still shit it out very next morning and will flush the toilet twice. Don't worry, no one wants to believe others until they come to the same conclusion after spending 25,000+ hours.

Human Nature. It is hard to believe that someone would just give it to them like this.

“In one segment of the program, the TV station hired a man to stand on the sidewalk along Michigan Avenue holding a sign that read "Free money. Today only." ……. Of all the people who walked by and read the sign, only one person stopped, and said, "Great! May I have a quarter to buy a bus transfer?" Otherwise, no one would even go near the man. Eventually, the man grew frustrated because people weren't reacting the way he expected them to. He started crying out, "Do you want any money? Please take my money; I can't give it away fast enough." Everyone just kept walking around him as if he didn't exist. In fact, I noticed that several people went out of their way to avoid him. As a man wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase approached, he went right up to him and said, "Would you like some money?" The man responded, "Not today." Really frustrated now, he shot back, "How many days does this happen? Would you please take this?" as he tried to hand the man some cash. The man responded with a terse "No" and walked on. What was going on here? Why wouldn't anyone (except for the person who needed a bus transfer) ask for the money? If we assume that most or all of the passersby could read the sign, but still didn't make any effort to get the money, then one possible explanation for their behavior is that they just didn't care about money." - Trading in the Zone
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #109
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:09pm Jun 25, 2011 10:09pm
Quoting Chicky
LOL. If you even force your precious 25,000+ hours strategy down the throats of others they will still shit it out very next morning and will flush the toilet twice. Don't worry, no one wants to believe others until they come to the same conclusion after spending 25,000+ hours.

Human Nature. It is hard to believe that someone would just give it to them like this.

[size=3]“In one segment of the program, the TV station hired a man to stand on the sidewalk along [font=Verdana][color=black][font=Arial]Michigan...
that's the most STUPID example of something i've heard of in awhile. what day of the week would you think nothing suspicious of some fruit loop giving away "free money". you wouldn't accept a free car from a stranger. you wouldn't accept a free rolex from a stranger. you wouldn't accept a brand new stereo system from a stranger. why is money any different? if something is suspicious then IT'S SUSPICIOUS, and gee wow so surprising that people would avoid it hey.

seriously, come on. stuff like this makes me so mad. let's just condense everything down to such a simplistic level that it can now prove a completely faulty and more complex premise, right?
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #110
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:14pm Jun 25, 2011 10:14pm
One should be able to live their life as they choose. If you can't trade profitably being stoned/drunk/sober/breathing then you won't last. Simple.

If you get high and are able to have it work in your advantage, then why not. I've been working on this concept for years and can truely say it benefits me. First test is to beat the paranoia that Chicky's avatar is staring right at me haha

Separate everything you've been told from everything that you KNOW. This goes for trading as well in life. That being said, I don't drink alcohol unless a special occasion. It's legal but in my eyes, it shouldn't be. Put me down for $.02
  • #111
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:29pm Jun 25, 2011 10:29pm
Quoting EmeraldEyes
One should be able to live their life as they choose. If you can't trade profitably being stoned/drunk/sober/breathing then you won't last. Simple.

If you get high and are able to have it work in your advantage, then why not. I've been working on this concept for years and can truely say it benefits me. First test is to beat the paranoia that Chicky's avatar is staring right at me haha

Separate everything you've been told from everything that you KNOW. This goes for trading as well in life. That being said, I don't drink alcohol unless...
I guess you can liken it to taking down a few wine coolers before the inlaws come in town to visit. It just relaxes you and puts you in a good mood. Do I do this all the time?......No.......but it is OK to do it every now and then in order to release any inhibitions. That's why Japanese businessmen are so adamant about mixing drinking with business......the best way to build comradeship (releasing inhibitions).

However, if you need a buzz to trade then I don't consider that a good thing. My position throughout this discussion was about the notion of how a person might study charts (not trade) differently while in an altered state of mind. Will the brain "allow" you to see things differently in an altered state?
  • #112
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:30pm Jun 25, 2011 10:30pm
Quoting nubcake
that's the most STUPID example of something i've heard of in awhile. what day of the week would you think nothing suspicious of some fruit loop giving away "free money". you wouldn't accept a free car from a stranger. you wouldn't accept a free rolex from a stranger. you wouldn't accept a brand new stereo system from a stranger. why is money any different? if something is suspicious then IT'S SUSPICIOUS, and gee wow so surprising that people would avoid it hey.

seriously, come on. stuff like this makes me so mad. let's just condense everything...
Send me your trading account details, passwords, etc. I will transfer some money into your account.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #113
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:45pm Jun 25, 2011 10:45pm
One reason you don't want to spoon feed folks is because it will prevent them from coming up with even better trading strategies. Most people do not have the time to spend 25,000 hours on a trading strategy.......the other alternative is to pay for the information......but I cannot give up my precious cash on something that I cannot verify that will work once I pay for it.

If individual traders joined forces and shared their knowledge, the financial markets would cease to exist because there would be noone to take the bad side of a trade. It is an interesting dilemma.
  • #114
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:47pm Jun 25, 2011 10:47pm
Quoting Chicky
[size=3]“In one segment of the program, the TV station hired a man to stand on the sidewalk along [font=Verdana]Michigan Avenue holding a sign that read "Free money. Today only." ……. Of all the people who walked by and read the sign, only one person stopped, and said, "Great! May I have a quarter to buy a bus transfer?" [color=black][font=Arial]Otherwise, no one would even go near the man. Eventually, the...
I think this is a different concept.

When a TV/Broadcasting company gives away money or anything else, they do it for something in return. You see when they give away money at the price is right, who wants to be a millionaire, singing idol, sale of the century and all of those other game shows, they in return get billions in return.

Trust me, these guys aren't giving money away for nothing
  • #115
  • Jun 25, 2011 10:49pm Jun 25, 2011 10:49pm
Quoting Troikaone1
If individual traders joined forces and shared their knowledge, the financial markets would cease to exist because there would be noone to take the bad side of a trade. It is an interesting dilemma.
It is not "an interesting dilemma".
It is the "Real dilemma".
  • #116
  • Jun 25, 2011 11:02pm Jun 25, 2011 11:02pm
Quoting CrucialPoint
I think this is a different concept.

When a TV/Broadcasting company gives away money or anything else, they do it for something in return. You see when they give away money at the price is right, who wants to be a millionaire, singing idol, sale of the century and all of those other game shows, they in return get billions in return.

Trust me, these guys aren't giving money away for nothing
That is business, give and take.

The principle applies here is the one that Nubcake pointed out. We are normally ready to accept a benefit provided we know there is nothing fishy about it. The trust in the source.

If someone offers a holigrail, how would we know 1) it exists, 2) this is the real one, and 3) that person is giving it away in good faith?

One small loss and here we throw that method out the window, like many post here about systems they purchased (I never have even read their advertisement).

Yes, I learn from friends here, anything that makes sense and has logic attracts my attention.

Many share their secret, many don't and some even misguide people. This is how it is. We all are different.

By the way, there is no secret just an illusion.

ps- Now tell me who started this thread that we have jacked?
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #117
  • Jun 25, 2011 11:10pm Jun 25, 2011 11:10pm
Quoting Troikaone1
I guess you can liken it to taking down a few wine coolers before the inlaws come in town to visit. It just relaxes you and puts you in a good mood. Do I do this all the time?......No.......but it is OK to do it every now and then in order to release any inhibitions. That's why Japanese businessmen are so adamant about mixing drinking with business......the best way to build comradeship (releasing inhibitions).
Agreed. Similar to an American bachelor building a comradeship with a female over a couple drinks.
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However, if you need a buzz to trade then I don't consider that a good thing. My position throughout this discussion was about the notion of how a person might study charts (not trade) differently while in an altered state of mind. Will the brain "allow" you to see things differently in an altered state?
Ok gotcha. There is a fine like between recreation and addiction.
Imo, yes. I feel that a controled altered state of mind has an ability to disregard nonsense from books & forums, which in turn, gives precedence to original ideas that can run like a wildfire. EVERYONE is different though.
  • #118
  • Jun 25, 2011 11:11pm Jun 25, 2011 11:11pm
Quoting Troikaone1
Now, can I tell you specifically what I am talking about? HELL TO THE NO........lol......it is like giving away 25,000+ hours of research for free...if you are an experienced trader then you know the rules (I wouldn't expect you to share your real strategy either).
Understood... appreciate the response.
  • #119
  • Edited 11:25pm Jun 25, 2011 11:14pm | Edited 11:25pm
Here's a clip that hit home in respect to independant trading.

Terrance McKenna - Nobody is smarter than you are
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  • #120
  • Jun 26, 2011 12:03am Jun 26, 2011 12:03am
Quoting EmeraldEyes
Agreed. Similar to an American bachelor building a comradeship with a female over a couple drinks.
Ok gotcha. There is a fine like between recreation and addiction.
Imo, yes. I feel that a controled altered state of mind has an ability to disregard nonsense from books & forums, which in turn, gives precedence to original ideas that can run like a wildfire. EVERYONE is different though.
There is a difference between addiction and recreation, but also medication (doasge, route administered, length of optimal thrapeutic response)
Searching for a cure...:nerd:
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