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  • #481
  • Jun 17, 2011 4:56pm Jun 17, 2011 4:56pm
the trend is your friend nubs... drink beers with the trend... go to the park with the trend... don't fight with the trend...
  • #482
  • Jun 17, 2011 7:37pm Jun 17, 2011 7:37pm
So I think today I officially learned how to trade a range and / or a trend at the same time..

I don't know how to explain this but..

upon a recent discovery I see that whenever there is a trend there is also a range happening simultaneously..

and the best part of this is it makes buying and selling/buying the swing highs and swing lows in a trend really easy

Damn this is some mind bending shit I'm on.. I am unfortunately speaking a little quick for something I noticed today



and I know what I'm saying makes no sense maybe I will make a diagram at some point but its the weekend dude.. gotta get laid first
  • #483
  • Jun 17, 2011 7:43pm Jun 17, 2011 7:43pm
Quoting newyear498
So I think today I officially learned how to trade a range and / or a trend at the same time..

I don't know how to explain this but..

upon a recent discovery I see that whenever there is a trend there is also a range happening simultaneously..

and the best part of this is it makes buying and selling/buying the swing highs and swing lows in a trend really easy

Damn this is some mind bending shit I'm on.. I am unfortunately speaking a little quick for something I noticed today



and I know what I'm saying makes no sense maybe I will...
......... and there will be many more discoveries before the ultimate discovery.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #484
  • Edited 8:17pm Jun 17, 2011 7:46pm | Edited 8:17pm
Quoting Chicky
......... and there will be many more discoveries before the ultimate discovery.
the ultimate discovery... if I had to say one for me so far.. then thats basically trading is simple and everything they told you from the beginning you just didn't have the discipline to handle it IMHO (and ability to decipher the BS from the nuggets)

yeah what I saw today was just something completely weird that caught my eye and only an assistance to fine tuning at the best
  • #485
  • Jun 17, 2011 8:00pm Jun 17, 2011 8:00pm
Quoting newyear498
the ultimate discovery... if I had to say one for me so far.. then thats basically that trading is simple and everything they told you from the beginning you just didn't have the discipline to handle it IMHO (and ability to decipher the BS from the nuggets)

yeah what I saw today was just something completely weird that caught my eye and only an assistance to fine tuning at the best
My ultimate discovery: Its a game of charnce therefore always remain within striking distance.

Quoting Chicky
There was a lot of buying near 1.4100 a few days ago. Its too early to go for a 50% retrace in the middle of this strong move down, but taking my chances. I am still not convinced bulls are dead.

But as everybody knows this is a game of chances.



http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1308292636
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #486
  • Jun 17, 2011 8:04pm Jun 17, 2011 8:04pm
Quoting Chicky
My ultimate discovery: Its a game of charnce thefore always remain within striking distance.
Thanks for sharing, good point.

yup gotta keep that edge in your favor
  • #487
  • Jun 17, 2011 10:34pm Jun 17, 2011 10:34pm
Quoting nubcake
rambling boring story ahead... tl;dr alert!

you are RIGHT. i can't be told. it's that simple. i take little 'knowledge' from the half-sentences and pseudo-hints dropped all over the place. it's a game for some to stand on the shoulders of others.

i have little doubt that all of the 'wisdoms' given both directly to me and also generally throughout the net regarding trading have been of little to no personal benefit. if anyone has tried to 'help' me, directly or indirectly, then i have little doubt you have wasted your time in its entirety....
This right here is the whoa is me... you also go onto say about someone needs to paint a picture and then you later say you don't want it handed to you on a platter.

To set the record straight I'm not pissed at you.... maybe a little disappointed in your attitude but that's about it.

When I speak about Risk I am not referring to individual trades. Your risk is always what is in your trading account. Does it matter if you blow it slowly or all at once? Is the outcome somehow different?

You can compare this to a casino, but the casino risk is different... if they don't attract the customers they go under due to the light bill coming due at the end of the month... and you can bet your hiney it's a big one. (All those flashing lights cost money and lots of it.)

You can't cross the street without risk. You can't breathe without risk. Just because you take the risk for granted doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think when you fully grasp what risk is you might be halfway there.

The only way you trade risk free (physically) is put money in your account, take out your original deposit after you win and then trade off the winnings. But for obvious reasons (mentally and psychologically) the risk never goes away. (no one wants to lose, even if it's not their money to begin with.)
  • #488
  • Jun 17, 2011 10:59pm Jun 17, 2011 10:59pm
Quoting pip_seeker
The only way you trade risk free (physically) is put money in your account, take out your original deposit after you win and then trade off the winnings. But for obvious reasons (mentally and psychologically) the risk never goes away. (no one wants to lose, even if it's not their money to begin with.)
Saying that trading off of winnings is risk-free trading is self-contradictory nonsense.

1) In order to have winnings in the first place you need to take risks.

2) If you do win, the winnings are not "winnings", they are your money now and part of your equity. Trading with that money involves taking risks.

Don't kid yourselves. Trading = risk-taking. Just learn how to deal with it.
  • #489
  • Jun 17, 2011 11:05pm Jun 17, 2011 11:05pm
Quoting Marv
Saying that trading off of winnings is risk-free trading is self-contradictory nonsense.

1) In order to have winnings in the first place you need to take risks.

2) If you do win, the winnings are not "winnings", they are your money now and part of your equity. Trading with that money involves taking risks.

Don't kid yourselves. Trading = risk-taking. Just learn how to deal with it.
Yes Marv, if you reread what I said: for obvious reasons (Mentally and Psychologically) risk never goes away.
  • #490
  • Edited 12:42am Jun 18, 2011 12:27am | Edited 12:42am
i think i need to remember to make a note in my posts of when i have, and have not, had much sleep. it might make my posts more understandable.

re risk: it's possibly taking one thing and conflicting it with everything else... but it bothers me when i read about some people taking something like 30 or 50 losing trades in a row. fitting that possibility with some ideas makes them unworkable. maybe people that report these types of numbers are plonkers with no idea anyway and i've polluted my own head with the wrong things from the wrong people.

i like the trend. the trend is ace. i want the trend to be my friend. so far my invitations to have a beer together have been ignored. i have a new idea about the trend which sits hand in hand with looking at things more in a probabilities framework which is a little different to how i used to look at things. 30 or 50 losers trading with the trend should, in my mind, really not be possible... (lol, so it'll likely happen).

edit :

re painting a picture : see even that right there is me not being able to get the correct message from me to you. i've changed my own metaphors around. the message is unclear despite my efforts. nothing beats actually speaking with someone who can point out what is up and what is down.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #491
  • Jun 18, 2011 1:14am Jun 18, 2011 1:14am
Quoting jag1966
I did read your post, you are not a casino and a traders edge is him/herself.

Traders win trades every day many times a day. You cannot do it so you tell everyone it cannot be done.

Are you and Nub the same person?

People need encouragement to succeed not some of the crap you come out with.

My hobby is helping people that want to help themselves.
I don't know what's up with you. Okay, let me rephrase my post so even people like you get what I mean. Yes, you always have a risk in individual trades, some will be losers some will be winners, but over the long haul, the next thousand trades you should come up net-positive. In that sense we are playing the large numbers, like a casino or an insurance company. We don't know the individual outcome of trades, but we should know the outcome of a couple of thousand trades.

Amazing that I need to clarify such a simple post.
  • #492
  • Jun 18, 2011 1:25am Jun 18, 2011 1:25am
Quoting jag1966
Are you and Nub the same person?
keep me out of whatever issue you currently have. i'm not your scratching post. remember this and calm the hell down. don't make me your pet project... you've gone from removing a vouch you gave to me for some reason, to getting fired-up at me because i don't yet see the same things you see, and now want to start with this multiple username crap. for someone i don't know i have sure disappointed you immensely. cut it out. it is not amusing in any way.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #493
  • Jun 18, 2011 3:46am Jun 18, 2011 3:46am
Quoting CindyXXXX
But many things equal 4, 1+3, 10-7, 4/4, 2x2 and to infinity.
haha dude, 4/4 is 1 and 10-7 is 3.

Good point though.
  • #494
  • Jun 18, 2011 4:26am Jun 18, 2011 4:26am
Quoting CindyXXXX
As my man Siblur once said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZObFoF58BEE

ya just gots ta feel that sh**
my ears would like to file an assault charge.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #495
  • Jun 18, 2011 5:11am Jun 18, 2011 5:11am
Quoting CindyXXXX
no offense Jag, good a trader as you are, respect n all that... I wish you would read this 10 times or more before ever posting again

The only person I've ever gotten into a personal rukus with is you (on this very thread) and that is saying something, and I've noticed I'm not the only one
Yep, point taken.
  • #496
  • Jun 18, 2011 6:20am Jun 18, 2011 6:20am
Quoting nubcake
keep me out of whatever issue you currently have. i'm not your scratching post. remember this and calm the hell down. don't make me your pet project... you've gone from removing a vouch you gave to me for some reason, to getting fired-up at me because i don't yet see the same things you see, and now want to start with this multiple username crap. for someone i don't know i have sure disappointed you immensely. cut it out. it is not amusing in any way.
Apologies about the multiple username crap.
  • #497
  • Jun 18, 2011 6:36am Jun 18, 2011 6:36am
let's bro-hug it out and get this party back on.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #498
  • Jun 18, 2011 6:40am Jun 18, 2011 6:40am
just on a side note, and simply because i want a break from forex and feel like sharing... i'm currently reading some electronics lessons. i've mulled over it over the years and keep coming back. i could never get how capacitors work their magic and hopefully this read-through will click. that shit is black magic.

it's gnarly how some concepts seem familiar across different sciences. learning to be a programmer early in life has it's side-benefits apart from all of the hot babes that wait at your feet.

edit : oops. meant to add that i feel there is also a relationship between electronics concepts and trading. it's just a feeling. perhaps that's a dumb statement and really everything has a relationship to everything else, so a moot thought.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #499
  • Jun 18, 2011 7:27am Jun 18, 2011 7:27am
Has anyone ever considered how to develop an approach that can work simultaneously as the market goes up and down? keyword simultaneously.

Ive got some testings going on but just curious if to see if anyone else has thought or managed something similar.

No options, just spot fx, be it single or multi currency.

Any thoughts on this?
  • #500
  • Jun 18, 2011 7:34am Jun 18, 2011 7:34am
Quoting nubcake
nothing beats actually speaking with someone who can point out what is up and what is down.
How is this different from not getting handed something on a platter?

How is this different from painting a picture? You want to be told what to do, but when you're told by me or others you claim it to be some old failed approach. ( That pesky little "R" word again.)

We can spin this record as much as you want it still comes back to the same skip everytime we spin it.
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