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  • #3,281
  • Apr 13, 2011 10:16am Apr 13, 2011 10:16am
Quoting Joel
I didn't EVEN see that 123 going long in the direction of the trend......You still the man.....
Yes, I did not see it either. No trade this session. Put off but the narrow range. Ray
  • #3,282
  • Apr 13, 2011 10:24am Apr 13, 2011 10:24am
Quoting diamonddbw
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Did not take it. 1.4488 to 1.4495 was full of candles (junk in the trunk).

Did go for sub & entry prior to 123, and bailed when it started to jet back down. When price made the 123, decided against it because of previous rejection at resistance area.

My question is what made this trade so attractive?
diamond,
I decided early in the session I wasn't going to take any shorts against the overall trend so I was looking for the div. 123. Saw the divergence forming about an hour earlier and then this was the first 123 setup.
  • #3,283
  • Apr 13, 2011 10:28am Apr 13, 2011 10:28am
the 4480 area was recaptured & 123 and trend is up
  • #3,284
  • Apr 13, 2011 10:43am Apr 13, 2011 10:43am
Quoting Divergence
roll out the barrels we'll have a barrel of fun at target
Been following this thread for a little over a week now. Thanx Mr D. for this great thread and thanx for the assistance of all the excellent traders here. Nice to learn from a bunch of vry knowledgable & generous of people here.


Mr D. i paper traded the 123 long on EUR this morning at 1435. Nice trade if dat is the 123 long you were referin ta. The only minus I saw with the set up was dat da divergence didnt occur at a previous swing level support.

Dominus vobiscum!
  • #3,285
  • Apr 13, 2011 10:48am Apr 13, 2011 10:48am
point 2 can also be point 3 but never 3 & s u b
  • #3,286
  • Apr 13, 2011 11:18am Apr 13, 2011 11:18am
too all over the place for me, took a 25 pip loss..i'm out until it settles
  • #3,287
  • Apr 13, 2011 11:18am Apr 13, 2011 11:18am
Quoting Divergence
the 4480 area was recaptured & 123 and trend is up
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Not sure what you mean by recaptured.
  • #3,288
  • Apr 13, 2011 11:25am Apr 13, 2011 11:25am
Hi Guys...

Here is a 5 M GU chart. Shrink the chart down and you can see why it was such a tough day trying to trade this pair. See the last big swing on the left hand side of the chart. Now look at all of the price action for Wednesday. All of it is contained within that swing. Now Price can't go higher or lower until it breaks that big swing so keep that in mind.
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  • #3,289
  • Apr 13, 2011 11:27am Apr 13, 2011 11:27am
4480 was broken then went above then ppulled back 123 then s u b closed above 4480
  • #3,290
  • Edited 11:32am Apr 13, 2011 11:31am | Edited 11:32am
I've seen the error of my ways
and heretofore,

shall down the wrong path,
get hence no more.

Not exactly Iambic Pentameter but give me a few more years and Shakespeare look out.

Major screw up on this trade.
• When SUB is not surpassed by bar following it, then the bar following it becomes the SUB.
• If the SUB is MORE than 2.4 pips away from 10 sma, NO TRADE

Which is exactly what I didn't do.

Well, it's off to the tattoo parlor to get the 2.4 pip rule permanently engraved on my mouse finger...
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  • #3,291
  • Apr 13, 2011 11:43am Apr 13, 2011 11:43am
when sub is not taken out and next bar is away from sma by more than 2.4 pips you need to wait for pullback which it did then next bar closed above became sub
  • #3,292
  • Apr 13, 2011 11:57am Apr 13, 2011 11:57am
Here is an EU trade I took short for 30 pips. I think I had the SUB correct. The down bar was so strong I just left it go to see where it would end up. Got lucky and made some nice pipage.
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  • #3,293
  • Apr 13, 2011 12:00pm Apr 13, 2011 12:00pm
diamondd, dont feel bad, i went long against what i was seeing. This thing hasnt cracked 4519 or so in over a year..in the grand scheme of things on the weekly chart this is just a pullback in the uptrend but from what i'm looking at that pullback could go back to 4300 or less before heading up.

granted i'm really new at this so ya know take it with a grain of salt. I'd love to hear more experienced traders thoughts on it.
  • #3,294
  • Apr 13, 2011 12:01pm Apr 13, 2011 12:01pm
Quoting Divergence
when sub is not taken out and next bar is away from sma by more than 2.4 pips you need to wait for pullback which it did then next bar closed above became sub
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It took me a while but I did figure that out.

So now to the important stuff, how did you like my Poem?
  • #3,295
  • Apr 13, 2011 12:19pm Apr 13, 2011 12:19pm
shakespeare has no pips over u
  • #3,296
  • Apr 13, 2011 12:25pm Apr 13, 2011 12:25pm
Quoting Divergence
shakespeare has no pips over u
... but his feet sure show it - they're Long fellows!
  • #3,297
  • Apr 13, 2011 12:31pm Apr 13, 2011 12:31pm
i know this was after the finish bell, but would this be a valid short to take even though we are in an uptrend. once it broke thru the 4480 level it tested it 2x and then gave a setup bar, are these valid counter-trend trades or do we need div 123, to go counter?
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  • #3,298
  • Apr 13, 2011 12:44pm Apr 13, 2011 12:44pm
Quoting d4n
There was a slight bug in the ret setup indicator which Bill kindly pointed out to me. This is now fixed, new version below.
What was wrong with it D4n.
  • #3,299
  • Apr 13, 2011 1:08pm Apr 13, 2011 1:08pm
Quoting tbjohnton
i know this was after the finish bell, but would this be a valid short to take even though we are in an uptrend. once it broke thru the 4480 level it tested it 2x and then gave a setup bar, are these valid counter-trend trades or do we need div 123, to go counter?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

To my understanding, we take no countertrend trades with out both divergence & a 123. The retest, which was there, is important as well.

What I'm finding out is that if we hold out for the "Perfect Storm" trades, we may have to wait awhile, but we will spend much less time collecting debt.

2¢
  • #3,300
  • Apr 13, 2011 1:11pm Apr 13, 2011 1:11pm
our govt does such a nice job of collecting debt, no sense on us following there lead--wait for the perfect storm, sounds like a good idea
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