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  • #261
  • Apr 12, 2011 10:53am Apr 12, 2011 10:53am
i think a fair system should be a fixed tax rate.

every one to pay lets say 15% rich or poor
cut entitlements for public workers, for the poor

government to work within their means, no deficit spending if possible,
before any big projects like war, and etc they should send us all a Bill, and we have a right to vote whether we want to pay for this bill.
AVT INVENIAM VIAM AVT FACIAM
  • #262
  • Apr 12, 2011 10:56am Apr 12, 2011 10:56am
Quoting the redlion
i think a fair system should be a fixed tax rate.

every one to pay lets say 15% rich or poor
cut entitlements for public workers, for the poor

government to work within their means, no deficit spending if possible,
before any big projects like war, and etc they should send us all a Bill, and we have a right to vote whether we want to pay for this bill.
Well, that was one of the bennies of a gold standard, they couldn't print money to fund the war. If they wanted to fund a war they would have to tax the heck out of the citizens. If the population didn't feel the war was worth fighting, good luck in getting the money to fight it. Also why there needs to be a declaration of war by congress (i.e. support of the people through the representatives).

Zero Tax would be best. 10% flat I could handle.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #263
  • Apr 12, 2011 10:58am Apr 12, 2011 10:58am
Quoting the redlion
i think a fair system should be a fixed tax rate.

every one to pay lets say 15% rich or poor
cut entitlements for public workers, for the poor
as long as their are lobbyists and politicians without morals or values, this will never happen
Quoting the redlion
government to work within their means, no deficit spending if possible,
before any big projects like war, and etc they should send us all a Bill, and we have a right to vote whether we want to pay for this bill.
that would be a real democracy => bad for the ones in power

Only Switzerland has a real democracy where each new bill really gets passed by the people (as far as I know).

Also the two party system in the US is very far from a democracy. It's funny that the nation that has only two parties to vote for is promoting democracy throughout the world. Kind of ironic.
  • #264
  • Apr 12, 2011 10:59am Apr 12, 2011 10:59am
Quoting Custos
as long as their are lobbyists and politicians without morals or values, this will never happen


that would be a real democracy => bad for the ones in power

Only Switzerland has a real democracy where each new bill really gets passed by the people (as far as I know).

Also the two party system in the US is very far from a democracy. It's funny that the nation that has only two parties to vote for is promoting democracy throughout the world. Kind of ironic.
Democracies don't work, that is why the US was setup as a Republic. A democracy is 3 men and 1 woman voting on who is going to get raped. A Republic protects the individual regardless of majority rule.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #265
  • Apr 12, 2011 10:59am Apr 12, 2011 10:59am
Quoting Custos
Okay, then my arguments are wrong and it is good to tax the rich right now when the USA is at the bring of economic collapse.
US is collapsing because it is a failing Empire/Warmachine.... and it treats its people like terrorist scum.

Stop Wars, bring everybody home, close all outside military bases... and suddenly the collapse is averted.

That is the big 400 pound gorilla in the room, not "taxing the rich"...
this pig cannot be slaughtered for ever... or can it?
  • #266
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:03am Apr 12, 2011 11:03am
Quoting georgem
US is collapsing because it is a failing Empire/Warmachine.... and it treats its people like terrorist scum.

Stop Wars, bring everybody home, close all outside military bases... and suddenly the collapse is averted.

That is the big 400 pound gorilla in the room, not "taxing the rich"...
That I agree with, but they will never do that. Too many "oil" and "resources" interests at stake here.
  • #267
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:03am Apr 12, 2011 11:03am
Quoting LasVahGoose
Democracies don't work, that is why the US was setup as a Republic. A democracy is 3 men and 1 woman voting on who is going to get raped. A Republic protects the individual regardless of majority rule.
oh, If I look around in this world, and I were a woman I would ONLY want to live in a democracy... nowhere else.

Its funny how you turn the meaning of democracy on its head.
Of course in democracy you have majority rule. But you also have constitutional rights, that are NOT negotiable and can NOT be voted away!

Going into war without majority rule is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and demonstrates the fragility of democracy and republic: we the people are ruled by the few.... its an endless fight. Gouvernment must be controlled an watched ALL THE TIME.
this pig cannot be slaughtered for ever... or can it?
  • #268
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:04am Apr 12, 2011 11:04am
Quoting LasVahGoose
Democracies don't work, that is why the US was setup as a Republic. A democracy is 3 men and 1 woman voting on who is going to get raped. A Republic protects the individual regardless of majority rule.
switzerland is a republic
  • #269
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:05am Apr 12, 2011 11:05am
I think either our politicians are incredibly smart or incredibly stupid

if they are smart. this is what we are REALLY doing.

purposely devaluing our currency, because we are at war with China.
we have told them countless times to play nice and be fair ie to float their damm money. they wont do it.

China is using the lending of money to have political leverage as we use our military. the chinese let us borrow a huge sum of money and it was a mutual agreement. they exported we consumed, it was working fine.
until they continued not to listen to us. they got out of line and we are actually using their Dollar holdings against them.

they threatened to devalue our money by selling off their reserves, in turn we did so and now their reserves are more worthless by the minute.

we wanted to cut our trade deficit so inflation is now cutting into production costs which in turn makes it more expensive for them to continue to pump out cheap goods. we are putting pressure on that yuan as they struggle to find ways to deppegg from USD.

We sent troops to Iraq and afghanistan and now we will be in lybia, for Oil but not in the sense that we want that oil. we are there in case the middle eastern countries, decide to be stupid and use anything else other than dollars for oil. We wont allow it.

china is now considering the floating of the yuan lol exactly what we wanted.

its a dangerous strategy that requires deceit but thats what we are good at.



or number 2 our politicians are completele stupid and are spending the US power into oblivion
AVT INVENIAM VIAM AVT FACIAM
  • #270
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:05am Apr 12, 2011 11:05am
Quoting georgem
US is collapsing because it is a failing Empire/Warmachine.... and it treats its people like terrorist scum.

Stop Wars, bring everybody home, close all outside military bases... and suddenly the collapse is averted.

That is the big 400 pound gorilla in the room, not "taxing the rich"...
You should at least wait till 4:20 to smoke your "fatties"
Venture out and Thrive where there is no Supervision... R.L
  • #271
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:06am Apr 12, 2011 11:06am
Quoting georgem
US is collapsing because it is a failing Empire/Warmachine.... and it treats its people like terrorist scum.

Stop Wars, bring everybody home, close all outside military bases... and suddenly the collapse is averted.

That is the big 400 pound gorilla in the room, not "taxing the rich"...
The masses might find out.
  • #272
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:06am Apr 12, 2011 11:06am
Quoting Custos
switzerland is a republic
True!
this pig cannot be slaughtered for ever... or can it?
  • #273
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:08am Apr 12, 2011 11:08am
Quoting georgem
oh, If I look around in this world, and I were a woman I would ONLY want to live in a democracy... nowhere else.

Its funny how you turn the meaning of democracy on its head.
Of course in democracy who have majority rule. But you also have constitutional rights, who are NOT negotiable and can NOT be voted away!
You have God given rights or if some would prefer rights given by nature. You have rights simply because you exist. The constitution only enumerates the rights you already have because you were born. Constitutional rights is a misnomer.

The only way to protect Individual rights is to have a Republic.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #274
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:15am Apr 12, 2011 11:15am
Quoting LasVahGoose
You have God given rights or if some would prefer rights given by nature. You have rights simply because you exist. The constitution only enumerates the rights you already have because you were born. Constitutional rights is a misnomer.

The only way to protect Individual rights is to have a Republic.
you have no rights whatsoever when you come into this world. Only law gives you the rights you have.

You think a lion has the right to travel freely? A chimpanzee has the right to drink a beer in a bar? A dog has the right to sign a contract?

Do the animals on this planet have the right for their rain-forest. Does fish have the right to not be killed off?

Do all humans have the right to free health-care, to travel freely around the planet?

Humans make the rights on this planet, it is not god-given.
  • #275
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:19am Apr 12, 2011 11:19am
Quoting the redlion
china is now considering the floating of the yuan lol exactly what we wanted.
How does the floating of the Yuan benefit the U.S.?
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #276
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:20am Apr 12, 2011 11:20am
Quoting Custos
you have no rights whatsoever when you come into this world. Only law gives you the rights you have.

You think a lion has the right to travel freely? A chimpanzee has the right to drink a beer in a bar? A dog has the right to sign a contract?

Do the animals on this planet have the right for their rain-forest. Does fish have the right to not be killed off?

Do all humans have the right to free health-care, to travel freely around the planet?

Humans make the rights on this planet, it is not god-given.
LMAO. You are insane. You have no idea what 'rights' are. Crazy.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #277
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:21am Apr 12, 2011 11:21am
Quoting LasVahGoose
You have God given rights or if some would prefer rights given by nature. You have rights simply because you exist. The constitution only enumerates the rights you already have because you were born. Constitutional rights is a misnomer.

The only way to protect Individual rights is to have a Republic.
amen ron paul
Don't have an ego. Always question yourself and your ability.
  • #278
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:21am Apr 12, 2011 11:21am
very true custos.

Humans are have no rights, are animals nothing special.

what sets us appart is our superior intellect, we have no strength, sight, speed, superior hearing or olfactory senses, so we use our brain to dominate the world.

and we use our brain to distribute wealth and goods.
we came up with laws to protect property and
rights to protect intellectual and physical desires and well being
AVT INVENIAM VIAM AVT FACIAM
  • #279
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:23am Apr 12, 2011 11:23am
Quoting LasVahGoose
How does the floating of the Yuan benefit the U.S.?
it would appreciate according to free market.

no more manipulation and unfair advantages in exports.
AVT INVENIAM VIAM AVT FACIAM
  • #280
  • Apr 12, 2011 11:25am Apr 12, 2011 11:25am
Quoting the redlion
it would appreciate according to free market.

no more manipulation and unfair advantages in exports.
Fine, how does it benefit the U.S. to have the Yuan appreciate against the dollar?
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
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