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  • #381
  • Mar 10, 2011 1:40am Mar 10, 2011 1:40am
So that 1.386 seems kinda important to some people huh?

Well PA was very habitable and likeable so i did a few once for practice on the demo while i was anaylzing and calculating SLs
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  • #382
  • Mar 10, 2011 1:51am Mar 10, 2011 1:51am
thanks yaed
i learned stuff from u too
about ma

for instance i was looking at my chart
i put a 14ema,and a 14rsi,and what u know,its the same thing,except the 14ma is is with candlesticks and the rsi is below it ,in a limited space
  • #383
  • Edited 3:28am Mar 10, 2011 3:00am | Edited 3:28am
Quoting dragan53
thanks yaed
i learned stuff from u too
about ma

for instance i was looking at my chart
i put a 14ema,and a 14rsi,and what u know,its the same thing,except the 14ma is is with candlesticks and the rsi is below it ,in a limited space
Well at least almost the same: the both use the 14 most recent candles to calculate their readings. Ive been working with all kinds of MAs for thousands of hours and i found that price has a exponential function to it: Meaning if it starts to change it will change more then it changed before the more it changes, up to a certain point when the change will change and the change will be less proportinal to the change in change of change that where before in time. Wooow dude that sentence makes my head spin but i think it came out right.

Another way of putting it is: The speed in which it increases also increases proportinal to the speed it increases in.

So when it is 1.38359 and gets to 1.38362, then its actually more like 1.38363. Meaning its not what it looks like, and perhaps that its not what it is. But thats because time is illusiory in such a way that things are not determined in time.

Which means to use averages with some kind of exponential function is probably nice. I would like to work with mathematicians and programmers to make new MAs with specific functions. But it would take thousands of working hours to make anything worthwhile with it. Could probably be used to describe anything from the growth of plants to the velocity of airplanes and growth of populations of any kind of individually definable thing like bacteria, people and chicken nuggets.

The the french developmental psychologist Jean Piaget proved beyond any reasonable doubt in experiment after experiment that the ideas of time and space is something that is AQUIRED. For an instance a small child wont try to follow a moving toy train with her/his eyes if it goes off view such as if it goes into a tunnel, a older child of say 4 years will. Thats a proven fact. The deductions and interpretations and specified experiments in that line reaches consequences untold of what space and time is and how it functions, as IDEAS, not as innate qualities of reality. However Piaget himself had a certain quality about his personality that i would think problematic, he was quite a scared man which limited his deductions and logic. He did however got his first scientific paper published at the age of 11, when i was 11 i was running around throwing shuriken at cardboard and creating development rules with random qualities in the early life of roleplaying characters.

Well now i have 60.000 candles to analyze from 5+ different aspects so id better get down to it.
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  • #384
  • Mar 10, 2011 3:40am Mar 10, 2011 3:40am
What is up with those first two candles? How come the first candle, a bull candle ends pretty high and the next candle starts really low? They just have to be at the same level, because no time is supposed to be inbetween the candles, since the first candle is supposed to show what price began at and what it ended on, obiviously thats NOT what its showing. This was extreme, about 2.5 pips but there a lot of examples of this every day. They could of course say its because of internet lag or what ever, and that would not be good proof that its what is going on here.



The upper picture is my demo account

The lower is my live account


I can find at LEAST 5 things that dont match up.
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  • #385
  • Mar 10, 2011 3:42am Mar 10, 2011 3:42am
Quoting yaed
Well at least almost the same: the both use the 14 most recent candles to calculate their readings. Ive been working with all kinds of MAs for thousands of hours and i found that price has a exponential function to it: Meaning if it starts to change it will change more then it changed before the more it changes, up to a certain point when the change will change and the change will be less proportinal to the change in change of change that where before in time. Wooow dude that sentence makes my head spin but i think it came out right.

Another...
i have afeeling that ur gonna make it big time
it would be a pitty to see u not become a daytrader

half of the times i dont even ujnderstand u because ur knowdlge is far away from mine now

the speed and time,i dont find it important to focus on one thing all the time like eurusd,but i focus on it evryday ,not alwyas

looking for the golden nugget is my thing
gold digging
i dig for patterns which my experience tells me is right
too bad i made a dumm ass mistake to buy all that euro
for what reason?i forgot

btw check out my new blogsite ,i hope i get some followers
people that trade futures,stocks,fx
evryhting that fits in the rational expectations

i think rational expectations was mentioned a lot in warren buffet books that why im saying it alot
and the last time i read a buffett book was about 2.5 years
i highly advise evryone to read couple of books about warren buffet and george soros,one up on wall street too
they are long term traders
but their mentality is the thing that matters
adopting a mentality of a total winner like them,to urself over time is the necessary to succeedd in trading
  • #386
  • Mar 10, 2011 3:44am Mar 10, 2011 3:44am
Quoting yaed
What is up with those first two candles? How come the first candle, a bull candle ends pretty high and the next candle starts really low? They just have to be at the same level, because no time is supposed to be inbetween the candles, since the first candle is supposed to show what price began at and what it ended on, obiviously thats NOT what its showing. This was extreme, about 2.5 pips but there a lot of examples of this every day. They could of course say its because of internet lag or what ever, and that would not be good proof that its what...
its spot,theres no true price
  • #387
  • Edited 4:25am Mar 10, 2011 4:05am | Edited 4:25am
Quoting dragan53
i have...
Well i gotta say i think some of the best knowledge doesnt come from books or other people. I havent even opened a book by anyone talking about trading anything and i dont think im doing to bad anyway. But perhaps people need to do their own thing and such.

Im not looking to offend anyone or anything like that but this is just how i think: There are only two patterns, valleys and hills, the rest is jibberjabber and things you see only in hindsight.

Most wall street folks and whatnot started out really rich and on the inside. They coerce their clients into letting them invest and since they are sitting on the money they lay the order to the market and have made calculations on what amounts will raise/lower price how much. And if you know what the price is going to be its not hard to make money, and yet they often fail. Most people like that "Poor dad, rich dad" dude is mostly like: "You gotta do that *mumble* *mumble* and you know really want stuff and *mumble* *mumble* then you do the thing and buy stuff thats good to buy and sell some stuff thats also nice to sell and *mumble*, and then you are rich, its easy!" Its sort of like this add to the left right now:

Its like "Do the things, come on, give us money and we will give you a lot more back, its cool dont worry."

I even sort of fell for the dream. I looked at alparis auto trading service. Opened a demo, looked for the nice EAs. Looked at their bookkeeping and it seemed they sometimes used double the amount of positions they said that they did which was strange. Tried a month on demo with a couple of nice EAs and watched them as they opened the orders. I could open orders myself on my live account at the same time of course and take advantage of them if i wanted too. Well a month came by and i doubled the account and a friend doubled an account in some overleveraging in three days. So i went live for a little bit, gave it some confidence. Couple of days they made some pips. Went into the woods for a day and when i got back 3 orders open for about -250 pips each. Well closed a GBP/JPY order on BE and the two others for about -500 pips total. I tried to make it so the EAs wouldnt open orders at the same time, picking ones that should use different strategies on different pairs, didnt help.

Since then im sticking to what goes on in my brain, with some input from you guys and a couple of others.

But i mean sure if you are into investing in commodities, stocks and housing or some such on 5-30 year basis its probably a good idea to see what some dudes say about it. I wouldnt know much other then all currencies are crap, commodities are going skyrocket. Land, water and possibly electricity if the cold fusion doesnt work or is made not to work.

But i really dont see what Warren buffet has to say about stoplosses on E/U M1 and where to enter.
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  • #388
  • Mar 10, 2011 4:18am Mar 10, 2011 4:18am
Quoting yaed
Well i gotta say i think some of the best knowledge doesnt come from books or other people. I havent even opened a book by anyone talking about trading anything and i dont think im doing to bad anyway. But perhaps people need to do their own thing and such.

Im not looking to offend anyone or anything like that but this is just how i think: There are only two patterns, valleys and hills, the rest is jibberjabber and things you see only in hindsight.

Most wall street folks and whatnot started out really rich and on the inside. They coerce their...

hehe thats why we have flash crashes

say what evr u want ,no ones getting offended
evryone has a differnt perosnality,nd we need to adopt trading to our personality

ur better without trading books,then thats ur personality
and u should stick with it
  • #389
  • Mar 10, 2011 4:41am Mar 10, 2011 4:41am
Quoting dragan53
hehe thats why we have flash crashes

say what evr u want ,no ones getting offended
evryone has a differnt perosnality,nd we need to adopt trading to our personality

ur better without trading books,then thats ur personality
and u should stick with it


I almost thing we are trading our personalities or that our personalities are trading us. But a lot of us is using some kind of deviation from a 0 point, such as bollys and envelopes and such and that gives credibility to the notion that there is quite a lot of cool stuff to be made with that. Thats one of the things i think everyone should think about twice before ignoring. It can be used for many purposes, where to enter, where to exit, to see if you are going crazy and so on.
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  • #390
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:11am Mar 10, 2011 5:11am
Quoting yaed


I almost thing we are trading our personalities or that our personalities are trading us. But a lot of us is using some kind of deviation from a 0 point, such as bollys and envelopes and such and that gives credibility to the notion that there is quite a lot of cool stuff to be made with that. Thats one of the things i think everyone should think about twice before ignoring. It can be used for many purposes, where to enter, where to exit, to see if you are going crazy and so on.
sorry but i dont even know what deviation is
i sucked at maths,

i think u cant get better than trading market tops,each what looks like to be the top looks differnt and it has to descend after the head and shoulders,the exhcnage between the informed and the uninformed

heres a couple of examples
i made money from these trades,
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  • #391
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:15am Mar 10, 2011 5:15am
watching patterns form is like looking at a shell
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  • #392
  • Edited 5:37am Mar 10, 2011 5:23am | Edited 5:37am
Quoting dragan53
sorry but i dont even know what deviation is
i sucked at maths,

i think u cant get better than trading market tops,each what looks like to be the top looks differnt and it has to descend after the head and shoulders,the exhcnage between the informed and the uninformed

heres a couple of examples
i made money from these trades,
Yeah man thats nice!

Deviation is just, you have a something and it changes for a bit, you laid down a line or something and say this is where it changes from, and then you say ok so it changed this much from the line. And if you study the thing and see how much it usually changes from that line then you sort of now beyond which limit it doesnt go on chaning so much most of the time. I dont keep track of the formulas or how they are calculated, i really dont know any schoolbook math at all, its all mostly ballony to me. I know people hwo know lots of university math who would just say "Huh?" at my templates, dont know if its a good or a bad thing or if it even matters. Know one guy though and his general comments where: "Thats pretty smart".

For me its period 21 most of the time, no matter the TF, thats the 0 line. A bolly deviation 2 period 21 is pretty cool in most of anything, just like Cube has noticed many years ago. 50 to 69 is also pretty cool at show some stuff.

Here ill just post some random charts, ill pick blindly and apply just a simple p21 bolly 2 dev:

So just buy in the low and sell in the high, add a bit if its not going the right way, get out before you are hit to hard. Close at a bit of profit. Thats how to trade anything on any timeframe, its not much harder then that. Sort of safe TPs are middle of bollys, gambling is to hope for touch of other end.
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  • #393
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:33am Mar 10, 2011 5:33am
After a while that bolly sorts of just settles in the mind and the indie isnt needed so much. So heres what id try to do on your chart. Id just call all of em tops and be content with that.

Id short at arrows, close at blue line and be done with the hwole thing.

Bolly trading and such is the statistical apporoach. It can be combined with other ways of thinking.
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  • #394
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:36am Mar 10, 2011 5:36am
what arrows are u talking about?
u mean fractals?

i kind of thought of that too

but if u look how the price is determined = and how its supposed to be in a equilibrium,but its not,and some times its close to it,
i dont know how to express myself much because i dont know too much about it just basics,
what happens in my head when i trade is that i keep thinking of increasing and decreasing ,and the personality of that instrument
like i said the sp500 gets affected by oil,and on the thing the growth up,slowed and slowed,and then it created a roundy top,
why?becuase its limited
its got the same participants all over evrytime,they think the same,and they do similar stuff evrytime
so tech+fundy = a rational behaviour of the asset
because its not all increasing decreasing,the participants are showing us how they feel,and the fundies are showing us what the pool is made out of,whats init
more chloride or less,can the swimmers get chloride poisoning becuase theres too much of it,or can they get a disease because theres simply too little choloride and many dirty kids

it really tells us how far it will go,

thats why i dont like sticking to one instrument
i want to gamble
but if the instrument is behaving in a manner that i cant explain whats happening i just digg for new ones
  • #395
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:41am Mar 10, 2011 5:41am
Quoting yaed
Yeah man thats nice!

Deviation is just, you have a something and it changes for a bit, you laid down a line or something and say this is where it changes from, and then you say ok so it changed this much from the line. And if you study the thing and see how much it usually changes from that line then you sort of now beyond which limit it doesnt go on chaning so much most of the time. I dont keep track of the formulas or how they are calculated, i really dont know any schoolbook math at all, its all mostly ballony to me. I know people hwo know...

where exactly would u enter on aud4h
  • #396
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:44am Mar 10, 2011 5:44am
this would just be a perfect entry ,slowing up,slowwth,the decline,roundy tops
and its under ema200
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  • #397
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:51am Mar 10, 2011 5:51am
Quoting dragan53
what arrows are u talking about?
u mean fractals?

i kind of thought of that too

but if u look how the price is determined = and how its supposed to be in a equilibrium,but its not,and some times its close to it,
i dont know how to express myself much because i dont know too much about it just basics,
what happens in my head when i trade is that i keep thinking of increasing and decreasing ,and the personality of that instrument
like i said the sp500 gets affected by oil,and on the thing the growth up,slowed and slowed,and then it created...
I ment the arrows i drew on your chart in the picture i posted.

I dont think there is something price is supposed to be, its just changing, what it is supposed to be is changing while its changing. Like all other things.
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  • #398
  • Mar 10, 2011 5:55am Mar 10, 2011 5:55am
Quoting yaed
I ment the arrows i drew on your chart in the picture i posted.

I dont think there is something price is supposed to be, its just changing, what it is supposed to be is changing while its changing. Like all other things.
evrything happens for a reason
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  • #399
  • Mar 10, 2011 6:03am Mar 10, 2011 6:03am
Quoting dragan53
where exactly would u enter on aud4h
Sell red, buy blue

EDIT: how about right now on AUD/USD, perfectly fine to long it right now.
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  • #400
  • Mar 10, 2011 6:04am Mar 10, 2011 6:04am
Quoting dragan53
evrything happens for a reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdY8d...eature=related
I agree
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