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  • #6,541
  • Feb 15, 2011 9:52am Feb 15, 2011 9:52am
I would like, if I may, to vote for that as well. Downloading tick data would be ideal instead of collecting it and worrying about disconnects and missing data. I think I can work with whatever your engineers come up with as long as it is consistent.

Thanks,

Max

Quoting jleblang
Crassius,

Short of a never-ending server-stream of tick data, what would be your ideal scenario here?

A place to download a file of tick data for each day (5 pm EST to 5 pm EST)?

A place to download a file of tick data where each file = a week of data?

Something else?

Document for me what you think the ideal situation in your wildest dream would be.
  • #6,542
  • Feb 15, 2011 10:24am Feb 15, 2011 10:24am
Well this is has crossed in my mind, mt4 has built-in slippage prevention using OrderSend()

so let say if i send a buy stop order with 10 points (1 pips) slippage using OrderSend()...

my question is, does slippage in OrderSend() in mt4 working with MBT?

so if price is already more than 10points (1pips) it automatically withdraw my buy stop order?
  • #6,543
  • Edited 10:45am Feb 15, 2011 10:43am | Edited 10:45am
Justin, since you've asked, I'll weigh in on this as well:

I'm no fan of Gain Capital, but this is one thing they do right. If you haven't already, take a look at ratedata.gaincapital.com. They don't even put a password on it. They supply weekly data files for each pair, and they maintain them in a timely fashion. Very important. I don't know exactly what their schedule is, but right now it's Tuesday morning and I can see all of last week's files.

For historical data for system development, I think weekly files are ideal. Daily files is too much work, both for you and for your customers. And of course this should be on a separate server, so that data requests don't compete with real-time trading.

For current charting requirements, if you really have 40 days of tick history downloadable through the API, that's sufficient. From what I'm seeing on this thread, not everyone seems to be seeing that, so that's something to check.

But I would add one more request. It's nice that history data is accessible through the API. But it's silly to expect everyone who wants current data to become an API programmer! There should be an "export tick data to CSV file" menu option somewhere in Desktop Pro, that just takes whatever data you make available for charting and dumps it out to a file in a standard format.

Oh, and if you really want to go all the way, it would be great for the tick data to have sub-second timestamps. TrueFX.com already gives millisecond resolution for their downloadable data. Even 10th of a second resolution would be very useful for those of us writing api bots focusing on optimal fills with limit orders.

Thanks for asking :-).
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  • #6,544
  • Feb 15, 2011 11:11am Feb 15, 2011 11:11am
Thanks guys on the comments - this is great stuff. Let me look through it and talk it over with my OPS department.
  • #6,545
  • Feb 15, 2011 11:14am Feb 15, 2011 11:14am
Quoting Ricx
Well this is has crossed in my mind, mt4 has built-in slippage prevention using OrderSend()

so let say if i send a buy stop order with 10 points (1 pips) slippage using OrderSend()...

my question is, does slippage in OrderSend() in mt4 working with MBT?

so if price is already more than 10points (1pips) it automatically withdraw my buy stop order?
Ricx,

Slippage prevention is a deal desk parameter that isn't compatible with ECN. We do offer that on our Desktop platform in the form of a Stop Limit order.
  • #6,546
  • Feb 15, 2011 12:07pm Feb 15, 2011 12:07pm
Quoting jleblang
Crassius,

Short of a never-ending server-stream of tick data, what would be your ideal scenario here?

A place to download a file of tick data for each day (5 pm EST to 5 pm EST)?

A place to download a file of tick data where each file = a week of data?

Something else?

Document for me what you think the ideal situation in your wildest dream would be.
Two things people should note from this section of the thread... One MB is willing to allow cranky comments about them to stay on their thread, and more important, they listen.... and they have, in the past made changes based on clients wishes.... even mine... hopefully this will be another such case.

First, there isn't 40 days worth on the server.... there is about 2 weeks worth and that varies.... but whatever.... is on there now, if at least two weeks are on the server, and a weekly, zipped file for download located somewhere else for customers to download this would allow us to do the kind of patching, repairing etc that is just required in real world operations... wish it weren't but reality is reality.

Gain and Dukascopy as well as others make this data available to all... I guess it has some promotional value, but I would urge you not to do that.... leave it protected and only available to your paying live account customers...

I would never trade w/ Gain... just check their past regulatory record to see why, so I have no experience with their data....

I do have experience with Dukascopy's data though. Because Dukascopy allows free access to their history data to all who care to download, it is not that easy to access. They have had to implement a procedure that requires many requests be issued in a row to slow down the traffic. IMHO this should be a service MB offers its paying customers.

Thanks for listening.
  • #6,547
  • Feb 15, 2011 4:00pm Feb 15, 2011 4:00pm
Quoting Crassius
Two things people should note from this section of the thread......
I dont agree. Alpari-UK had year-to-date CVS data for all symbols available for years and I rarely had a download problem and they were the standard for Datafiles for years so I'm sure user numbers didnt effect download quality to the detriment of Live users.
  • #6,548
  • Feb 15, 2011 4:20pm Feb 15, 2011 4:20pm
No connection with MT4 live for 30 minutes now. It's second time since 2 weeks. Navigator/Desktop i running fine. It shouldn't happen!

Justin, why nothing is done with this? It's getting worse.
  • #6,549
  • Feb 15, 2011 5:06pm Feb 15, 2011 5:06pm
Quoting jleblang
Whose ready for MBT Mobile on their Android?

In the next couple weeks the MBT Mobile application will be available for Android users via a private beta link.

For access to the link, please email [email protected].
Hi Justin:
I called tech support yesterday and they said that they are only beta testing for the I-phone, is this a new development? If not, a word with your customer service would definitely be in order.

Jim
  • #6,550
  • Feb 15, 2011 6:43pm Feb 15, 2011 6:43pm
Quoting bigjim1958
Hi Justin:
I called tech support yesterday and they said that they are only beta testing for the I-phone, is this a new development? If not, a word with your customer service would definitely be in order.

Jim
Jim,

Very new development as of yesterday afternoon.
  • #6,551
  • Feb 15, 2011 10:03pm Feb 15, 2011 10:03pm
Quoting jleblang
Ricx,

Slippage prevention is a deal desk parameter that isn't compatible with ECN. We do offer that on our Desktop platform in the form of a Stop Limit order.
I see... thanks J
  • #6,552
  • Feb 16, 2011 2:15am Feb 16, 2011 2:15am
Justin,
Your thoughts on the inactive option for the break-even trailing stop on the "Preferences" page? Does that mean that they like the idea, just as soon as they can work out how to do it? They have allocated a place on the dialogue box but as yet it is not functional?
Cheers,
FrankieB
  • #6,553
  • Feb 16, 2011 9:03am Feb 16, 2011 9:03am
Quoting FrankieB
Justin,
Your thoughts on the inactive option for the break-even trailing stop on the "Preferences" page? Does that mean that they like the idea, just as soon as they can work out how to do it? They have allocated a place on the dialogue box but as yet it is not functional?
Cheers,
Frankie,

What version of the platform are you running that shows the BE Trailing Stop option?
  • #6,554
  • Feb 16, 2011 10:45am Feb 16, 2011 10:45am
We have a new version of the MBT Mobile iPhone app available in the APP store. This version has fixed several bugs that have been reported by you!

This new version is no longer considered a beta version but you are welcome to continue to report any issues or make any suggestions to [email protected].

Currently the iPhone app is only available to Desktop and Desktop Pro accounts and does not require users to be logged in anymore to view the FX Quotes, Charts and News.

Search "MBT Mobile" from your phone's marketplace.
  • #6,555
  • Feb 16, 2011 1:27pm Feb 16, 2011 1:27pm
Hello.
How i can see the price line in Desktop Pro?
  • #6,556
  • Feb 16, 2011 10:40pm Feb 16, 2011 10:40pm
I thought I remember reading somewhere that client limit orders get priority over the liquidity providers displaying their quotes in the depth of market. Is this true? For example I see $1 million offered at 1.50010 (assuming this is a liquidity provider offering the $1 million). If I offer $100,000 at the same price after their limit is already there, do I get priority to fill any market orders or is it simply first come first serve? Thanks.
  • #6,557
  • Feb 17, 2011 12:10am Feb 17, 2011 12:10am
Quoting usw
I thought I remember reading somewhere that client limit orders get priority over the liquidity providers displaying their quotes in the depth of market. Is this true? For example I see $1 million offered at 1.50010 (assuming this is a liquidity provider offering the $1 million). If I offer $100,000 at the same price after their limit is already there, do I get priority to fill any market orders or is it simply first come first serve? Thanks.
usw,

Yes, that is correct.
  • #6,558
  • Feb 17, 2011 12:38pm Feb 17, 2011 12:38pm
justin,
Desktop version is 11.7.0.15.
FrankieB
  • #6,559
  • Feb 17, 2011 3:53pm Feb 17, 2011 3:53pm
Quoting jleblang
Pavikogm,

... ECN means that we also have a place to display our customer limit orders and let other customers hit them if they are the best price. To prove that we have an ECN, simply put up an order to buy or sell inside the spread, and you will always, 100% of the time, see your order change the price. Not sure what else there is to say about that.
...............!! man are you Jason Rogers with a different nick name?

So you are trying to prove that you are a true ECN institution with the lame example of price changing when somebody places a order? Thats the most absurd thing I ever heard in my whole life!!!

First what you just stated is that "my bucket shop has such a low liquidity that any order placed will move the market" even penny orders will do it right?

What I suspect happens is that your platform changes the price on the trader's screen and thats it, a gimmick to catch naive people. And the old same "bucket" "virtual reality" model still works..eh!!

I traded in banks for more than 2 decades and let me tell you my friend that you need a lot of cash to move this market. I have seeing close to billion dollars oder hit the market and it does not move 1 pip on the real interbank market.

In order to deploy a sub penny movement on EUR/USD as a example it will take something in the order of 20 to 50 million dollars around 6 to 6:30 eastern time in a quiet day ( preferably in the summer) and you come here to tell me that your costumers move the market all the time?
.................... !!

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  • #6,560
  • Feb 17, 2011 4:07pm Feb 17, 2011 4:07pm
Quoting Platypus
...............!! man are you Jason Rogers with a different nick name?

So you are trying to prove that you are a true ECN institution with the lame example of price changing when somebody places a order? Thats the most absurd thing I ever heard in my whole life!!!
That's what an ECN is, dude. Don't come on these boards and be ignorant. I got a trade run that says that I changed the price of the quote 14 times today and got paid for doing it. Take your trolling nonsense elsewhere.
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