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MT4 Build 229 not running under Wine, complains of debugger presence

  • #1
  • First Post: Dec 11, 2010 8:09am Dec 11, 2010 8:09am
I am sad to inform you all that apparently Build 229 of mt4 has a builtin check that will not allow the program to run if a debugger is found running on the system.

I frankly I find it suspicious that metaquotes are trying to protect their code from being analyzed, as it definitely shows that there is something to hide.

To add insult to injury, Build 229 will not even run on Linux under Wine because of this check.

If this bothers you too, drop them a line - I sure will.
  • #2
  • Dec 11, 2010 8:34am Dec 11, 2010 8:34am
Quoting pippero
I am sad to inform you all that apparently Build 229 of mt4 has a builtin check that will not allow the program to run if a debugger is found running on the system.

I frankly I find it suspicious that metaquotes are trying to protect their code from being analyzed, as it definitely shows that there is something to hide.

To add insult to injury, Build 229 will not even run on Linux under Wine because of this check.

If this bothers you too, drop them a line - I sure will.
Mine is running fine (Debian Lenny, Wine 1.01). Try a different Wine release...
Old Benjamin was right
  • #3
  • Dec 11, 2010 8:59am Dec 11, 2010 8:59am
i tried the same wine version (1.2) that was running 226 just fine yesterday.

The check also trips some antivirus tools who think it's a trojan -- after all checking for debuggers is pretty sneaky behaviour. Google mt4 build 229 and see for yourself..
  • #4
  • Edited 9:55am Dec 11, 2010 9:36am | Edited 9:55am
Quoting pippero
i tried the same wine version (1.2) that was running 226 just fine yesterday.

The check also trips some antivirus tools who think it's a trojan -- after all checking for debuggers is pretty sneaky behaviour. Google mt4 build 229 and see for yourself..
I don't know what else to suggest - MT4 auto update just installed build 229 on both my demo and live versions within the last few days and both are running as normal.

I've recently read about problems like this with MT5/Wine but not on MT4 until your post.

Can you go back to build 226 and just say no to auto update?

P.S. May I ask why you have anti-virus tools on a Linux box? No viruses can live under Linux.
Old Benjamin was right
  • #5
  • Dec 11, 2010 2:44pm Dec 11, 2010 2:44pm
Quoting Lou G
Can you go back to build 226 and just say no to auto update?

P.S. May I ask why you have anti-virus tools on a Linux box? No viruses can live under Linux.
i am not running an antivirus -- other people are, and they're reporting problems (which again you can google)

However i am willing to bet a sizable amount of money that the reason build 229 does not run under wine (at least not on one of mine, on a jaunty box) and trips some antiviri is that it checks for debuggers (if you're techincal, it checks for some INT interrupt traps which are usually installed by debuggers)

It's the sort of thing malware does; it's not nice to see it in a trading app.

I surely will be running a previous build for now but those are usually phased out and i'd hate to have to move back to windows systems because i cant run under wine.
  • #6
  • Dec 11, 2010 3:39pm Dec 11, 2010 3:39pm
Quoting pippero
i am not running an antivirus -- other people are, and they're reporting problems (which again you can google)

However i am willing to bet a sizable amount of money that the reason build 229 does not run under wine (at least not on one of mine, on a jaunty box) and trips some antiviri is that it checks for debuggers (if you're techincal, it checks for some INT interrupt traps which are usually installed by debuggers)

It's the sort of thing malware does; it's not nice to see it in a trading app.

I surely will be running a previous build for now...
How about trying an earlier Wine release? Build 229 is working for me on Wine 1.01 - I believe many previous versions are still available for download on their site.

I read somewhere (maybe here on FF) that someone had a similar problem with MT5 not installing under Wine - the problem was solved by installing Wine 1.3
Old Benjamin was right
  • #7
  • Dec 13, 2010 7:09am Dec 13, 2010 7:09am
Avira complained about 229 on my computer and it raised my eyebrows as well.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  • #8
  • Dec 14, 2010 1:53pm Dec 14, 2010 1:53pm
They are packing the executable with one of these anti-reverse-engineering tools (and call it "hacking protection" [confusing hackers with crackers]).

It results in a packed and encrypted binary that cannot be checked for viruses anymore, therefore all virus scanners will by default flag it as malware. According to anti-virus vendors more than 99% of such encrypted binaries are indeed malware, less than 1% are legitimate programs. If something is encrypted in such a way it is almost certainly malware, it cannot be further analyzed, classified or anything, its completely indistinguishable from any other malware.

Each legitimate program of this kind must be explicitly whitelisted by each antivirus vendor, therefore each new MT4 release will be automatically flagged as malware until after a few weeks most have whitelisted it.

Additionally the software will waste resources on the user's machine for performing needless bullshit nobody has asked for (like checking for debuggers and peeking and poking around in places on the user's machine that are absolutely none of its business) and this all serves no other purpose than causing unexpected poblems where there would not have been any problems without it.

IMHO the usage of such "anti-cracker" tools for software that nobody would ever want to "crack" in the first place because there simply IS nothing crack-worthy inside is absolute Kindergarten. Its essentially a big waste of money and resources, its an outright insult towards all legitimate users (all users) and its a testimony of immaturity and cluelessness of the software authors [MetaQuotes].

/rant

build 225 is the last one I know of without any of this crap attached to it. Every interested cracker would simply download and use 225 to disassemble and debug and find the hidden "secrets".
  • #9
  • Dec 14, 2010 2:09pm Dec 14, 2010 2:09pm
Quoting 7bit
They are packing the executable with one of these anti-reverse-engineering tools (and call it "hacking protection" [confusing hackers with crackers]).

It results in a packed and encrypted binary that cannot be checked for viruses anymore, therefore all virus scanners will by default flag it as malware. According to anti-virus vendors more than 99% of such encrypted binaries are indeed malware, less than 1% are legitimate programs. If something is encrypted in such a way it is almost certainly malware, it cannot be further analyzed,...
Far Frackin' out, Man!
  • #10
  • Jan 4, 2011 3:27am Jan 4, 2011 3:27am
in the same boat as many of you are too.. what a way to start off the new year!
  • #11
  • Jan 4, 2011 6:21am Jan 4, 2011 6:21am
Why not to use any VM-software? I think MT4 is not the only program which does not properly work with Wine
  • #12
  • Jan 19, 2011 11:33am Jan 19, 2011 11:33am
Hi. It's my first voice on this forum therefore hello for all, and I'm sorry for my english but i'm still learning.

The problem is old, and i think You found solution for it, but if not ... install earlier version of wine. I'm on ubuntu 10.04 LTS and have wine 1.0, on version 1.2 I had the same problem.

Now i will describe my problem, i have to make it here because i'm a junior member and i can not make a new thread (i will be gratefull for change)
As i said i'm on Ubuntu and use mt4. I opened several windows with pair of currency, and i ordered manualy windows (tabs on the bottom) alphabetical from left to right (for example:
AUDNZD, EURUSD, NZDJPY, USDCHF). I saved profile as default (File->Profile->Save as).
Now i open mt4, loading profile default, and i see:
EURUSD, NZDJPY, AUDNZD, USDCHF. All other setups are OK, but sequence of windows changed.
I found files with configuration (/Program Files/Admiral Markets AS/profiles/default/)
and
- in file order.wnd i have
USDCHF, NZDJPY, EURUSD, AUDNZD

- in file
chart01.chr is NZDJPY
chart02.chr is EURUSD
chart03.chr is AUDNZY
chart04.chr is USDCHF

I set up one order, in configuration files i have two others, and after reloading i see on screen something quite different (but always the same)

Ofcourse it is not a problem when there are only four pairs, but when there is a several or several dozen it is hard to find "this one" which i want.

Anybody has the same problem ? Thank You in advance for any help.

Dominik
  • #13
  • Last Post: Jan 21, 2011 7:45am Jan 21, 2011 7:45am
For the benefit of whoever facing the same problem. Face the same problem after MT4 update. I decided to update Wine from 1.2 to 1.3 and problem is resolved. Cheers to wine team!
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