The Element of Time in Trading

Fibonacci Time Zones

You don't realise how close you are comming to timing, the pyramid is constructed based on specific ratio based on the sun:



The Universal Pyramidal Structure
Prof. Thijs makes the assumption that the original unfinished top height is 1/40 th (3.665m) of the total height of Cheop's pyramid.
This is much shorter than its current 9.128m height, which can be calculated from the information in Peter Lemesurier's book "The Great Pyramid Decoded", and perhaps blocks were later removed from the top for building material or access for pillagers.
The characteristics of Sun, Earth and Moon fit in a logarithmic development model, shown in following.
The physical characteristics of our planet and its moon can be expressed in terms of natural constants "7" and "pi/6", determining golden-section pyramids and especially the Gizeh Great Pyramid.
For the pyramid of Cheops we may write:
Top-height = 7 x pi / 6 m (metres)
Total height = (7 x pi / 6) x 40 m
(1 el is defined as pi / 6)
For Sun, Earth and Moon Radii we may write:
R sun = 696 x 106 m
R moon = 1.738 x 106 m
R earth (at equator) = 6.378 x 106 m
(at poles) = 6.357 x 106 m
(equivalent total content) = 6.37 x 106 m
For revolution times Earth and Moon we may write:
T earth = 365.256363 days
T moon = 27.3216655 days
Consequently: T earth / T moon = 7 x 6/pi (0.002% accuracy)
El as time proportion: 1 el = 7 x T moon / T earth
R earth / R moon = 7 x pi/6 (0.0018 % accuracy) = top height of pyramid
El as length proportion: 1 el = R earth / 7 x R moon
Thus we see an equality between the top height of the Great Pyramid and the Earth / Moon ratio, which indicates a model for a situation developing under magnitude 40.
Revolution times as well as linear measures of Earth & moon are impressions of the same evolution.
The mass proportion against each other and against the Sun also proves this:
M sun = 1.9891 x 1031 kilograms (kg)
M earth = 5.9742 x 1024 kg
M moon = 7.3483 x 1022 kg
Consequently: (M sun / M earth) x (7 x Pi / 6)5 = 2202217100, which numerically (with 0.000018 % accuracy) reflects the 220220220 years of the Sun Cycle, and shows the connection between ratio of Sun/ Earth masses, 7el and 5.
The proportion of the diameters (or the radii) of the Sun and the Earth also show a link with the height of the Great pyramid :
(R sun / R earth) x (7 x 6/Pi)5 x Pi = 40 x 7 x (Pi / 6) x 106 (0,0092 % accuracy)
where 40 x 7 x (Pi / 6) = height Cheops in meters.
The height of the full pyramid is a reflection of the Sun Cycle.
From the data of masses and distances of two celestial bodies we may deduce the attraction power with following formula:
F = (G x m(1) x m(2))/ (distance2)
where G is the gravitation constant of Newton : 6.672 x 10-11 Nm2kg
making F sun-earth = 3.5428 x 1022 N(ewton) and F earth-moon = 1.9822 x 1020 N
Body distances are:
Sun to Earth : 1.4959787 x 1011 m
Earth to Moon : 384.4 x 106 m
Consequently: F sun-earth / F earth-moon = (7 x 6 / Pi)2 = (T earth / T moon)2 (0.0015 % accuracy)
Finally we find that the proportion of the distance Moon-Earth (D moon) and Sun-Earth (D earth) are very precisely a reflection of the metric height of the Great Pyramid (40 x 7 x Pi/6), since:
(D moon / D earth) x (7 x 6 /Pi)6 = 100 x (40 x 7 x Pi / 6) with 0.069 accuracy
The pyramidal shaping of the Sun-Earth-Moon System also originates from other proportions:
Both 240 x 2Phi and (R earth + R moon) x 66666/ R sun are each very close to 776.666666.
This relation is represented below, wherein also the Moon rhythm appears:
http://www.numberscience.plus.com/kt12.jpg
Here we can see again that time and length are linked (in accordance with Kepler's laws).
The pyramidal model assumes uniformity between all measure units used by us.
The Moon Cycle (time aspect) may be seen as a proportion of revolution velocities, because the Moon during 1 revolution around the Earth makes 1 revolution on its own (so the Moon is always oriented to the same side of the Earth).
Consequently: T moon = 27,321665 = revolution velocity of moon about its axis / revolution velocity Earth about its axis . The diagram below shows the relation between 7, the content of the Earth and the mass ratio Sun/Earth:
http://www.numberscience.plus.com/kt13.jpg

so its more than a block of stone. I have studies time in depth some currencies are easier to predict then others. There are cycles, there are ways to work out in time where a market will turn, pm me we can have a chat, the people that don't want to think outside the box deserve not to know.

All the best


Mike Haran

Hi Anthoniex,

Nice charts here with the blue boxes/grid. Definitely shows time in the picture for sure. I have a couple of questions for you...

On your Usd-Cad chart, do you drop a vertical from the pivot to the ML then subdivide that way to get the size of each rectangle of the grid? And on the Aud-Usd, are you drawing a vertical from the high of a swing to the 45 degree fan line, then duplicating the distance that way?

Will keep thinking it through until I hear back.

Good stuff.

FX4Newbies

I made one box from first impulse wave hi-lo or lo-hi and made 3 identical boxes to the right. Divide them all by 4 (top-down) will make 16 boxes alltogether. The purpose is to square price and time so that I can get significant angles that act as support/ resistance.

Pretty old school but I think it works great...

Auxesis, how were you able to draw this image:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...2&postcount=10

My current view of AUD/USD using a fibonacci arc from the Nov 30 2010 low of 9537 to the Dec 14 2010 high of 10028.

I am biased to find an upward reaction support level possibly at 9800 so that would be on Dec 21 2010 NY close according to the arc.

Symmetry also shows a possible 9757 reaction low, which is the current daily S3 occuring at Tokyo open Dec 21.

If anyone is using this method please pm me....

I am currrently piecing all the info I collected from everywhere to INVENT the wheel.....

I am worried i am REINVENTING......so if anyone uses fib time expansion on elliott pattern and has any experience or books on the subject please mail me...

Hi Grandpost,could you post a chart ?

Thanks Pike

Kapital,

That pic was part of a 3D discussion from many many moons ago, on a different forum sadly that no longer exists. Basically it dealt with the inadequacies of charting packages on elliptical drawing. If I want to draw an ellipse/circle around two different intersecting lines, I can anchor the ellipse to only one line and then stretch the arc/ellipse to the others end, but the plane of the drawing does not match that of the lines, if I can explain this properly. (see pic) What you need is the ability to anchor the ellipse on all 4 ends and then have the program draw the circle on that plane, 3 dimensionally..... that was step 1 of working on some other stuff.

To answer your question, I hand drew the pic, copying the arcs and lines to form the box.

regards,

Thanks for that reply auxesis.

I was inspired by the postings in regards to ellipses and other shapes by you and some other members. I have some ideas but unfortunately I'm limited in what I can draw due to inadequate charting software.

I forgot to ask....why do you say the forum no longer exists?

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...86#post2603986

The original conversation with JR97 took place on a different forum/site, I had that pic saved on my computer.

regards,

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Good to see auxs. and xtsu. posting. Those two have probably forgot more stuff than I'll ever know.

One last thing now that I've read through this entire thread. Most of the concepts being explored are far from new. Listen to vets like auxs, xtsu, and m.haran. I kid you not when I said these guys have probably forgotten more than I'll ever know and I've been studying this stuff hard-core for years. They've helped me develop a lot of my ideas over the years and were a huge influence on my style. I've tried to document some practical usage of using time concepts in my old journal here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=42407

Plus you can check out my old blog in my sig. Most of the charts on the blog are hosted at imageshack, so it might take some tweaking in your browser to get them to show.

anywho, I just happened to be cleaning out old bookmarks and realized I hadn't checked in here at FF for quite some time. Best of luck on the journey. it's a worth while one.

So you draw a few lines add a few numbers together and call it the great pyramid of kyfu---maybe good for the brain but is it good for traders to predict? ....Let say, the fall of the roman empire until now is a fibonocci reflection point.... do I sell the dollar? Get real, charts are ramdom and then affected somewhat by human events and behavior. Tomorrow a nuke goes off, I think you can pretty much throw your charts out. Knowing that, the skill is getting in when there is nothing in the way; and getting out before the herd mentality strikes. All this fib stuff, elliot wave and other stuff is garbage.

I will agree with you we can't trade these methods due to the sufistication level they got at in running the markets......

But Let me show you facts Example Here will be Gbp/USd it is regarding using fibonacci time zones on elliott wave pattern.....There is so much to explain not all is explained here but I hope I show you enough to get your attention!!!

It is art/rules/experience but ESSENTIAL to Choose the correct candles and I can show you how if you know elliott......(please only be concerned with fib time zone the fib expansion needs lots of explanation on its own any one who tries to understand what i did with it will be confused.

Chart 1 we measure from beginning of pattern to wave 2 = Wave 3 at 1.618
So look at 1.618 fib time expansion this is end of wave 3

Chart 2 we measure from beginning of pattern to wave 2 of extension (where we break previous bottom to make it easy for you to understand) = end of wave B at 1.618 which after wave 3 usually extends so it's important to time it (if you follow so far it also marks wave 4 at fib time zone 2)

Chart 3 we measure from the 1.618 line we measured in chart 2 which is wave b and .618 or bottom of wave 1 measured in chart 1= wave 5 at fib time zone 1.618 (it also measures end of b wave in correction at fib time zone 3)

Chart 4 we measure from beginning of pattern to wave 5 = Wave A of correction at 1.38 (Please notice how 1.38 fib time zone is marked by doji and end of wave 5 we measured from candle after a doji also (gravestone i think called)) * I am more concerned with indecision points and shock points)

chart 5 we measure from 1.618 or wave 3 of chart 1 to the 1.38 of chart 4 or wave a = end of correction wave C at 1.618 fib time zone(again selecting doji candle to measure from)

Conclusion they know price and time ....hello do you know how options work!

I would also like to show how the fib expansion works properly on elliott. And how to properly shift the tool.....important

Please Give this Time to try and understand it will make sense and proportionality......

Hello Pike,

Wanted to wish you all the best as the new year dawns. Some exciting things surfacing on this thread. Glad to see them. Will be back later in the week to digest it all.

Take care,

FX4Newbies

looking for long time cycles,
the low looks like a good place to start

Pike

based on fib time zone and elliott pattern

so if you don't know elliott basics ....it won't make sense....