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  • #641
  • Nov 28, 2010 5:33pm Nov 28, 2010 5:33pm
Quoting TraderJoe
Hi Caillou... so we go with the 1 pair basket version till it is proven one way or the other, then if needed, we can pickup again with the 3 pair version and prove or disprove it.

In order to avoid assumption errors I suggest the full name of the EA each person decides to test be redundantly posted somewhere in every post where any kind of test or settings results are posted - No Accronyms! - there are just too many versons floating around to be able to keep clarity going within a team without doing this, IMHO.





Need (at least)...
Yes, I think it is easier to start test with 1 pair.

Perfect for the full name of the EA.

Maybe Trader A 500/1 and Trader B 50/1 ?

Pure Version has only 2 settings: MMTU and PP, I think Time Filter or other filters must come later.

Maybe a new thread called "Filters for Single Pair Phantom" where each filter might have a brief description and the possible advantages in using it.
  • #642
  • Nov 28, 2010 5:35pm Nov 28, 2010 5:35pm
Quoting TraderJoe
Caillou is looking for team members to take on some of the testing Caillou && RoundRock will be needing.

Those interested please reply with how many systems can you reasonably test at the same time.

My opinion is that one normal computer should be able to run at least 2 platforms if not 4....
Thank you TraderJoe for your help, thank you very much....
  • #643
  • Nov 28, 2010 5:38pm Nov 28, 2010 5:38pm
Hello acostafulano,
Ok I have your request to help appreciate that, please confirm after reading the below.

As far as the EA's to be tested, as per Caillou's post #631 (please read if you haven't already) we will not be testing any of the phantom6 or 3's right now although we may head that way in the future after we have exhausted the newest creations by Caillou and RoundRock first which is based on a 1 (that's right "one") pair hedge. This may sound odd at first but when studied closely it is a very interesting prospect. For any questions regarding any of the phantom6 EA, please refer to the 'Basket 14 EA System which is monitored by MetaCoder. Also please read post #1 of this thread to be in understanding with the direction of this thread.

If you still wish to be a part of the EA testing here please advise.

TJ


Quoting acostafulano
My computer can easily manage 2 platforms running at the same time, 24/7. Would be glad to help with testing the 1 pair EA, let me know which EA/settings to test

Still, there's a couple of questions I still haven't gotten around:

Thanks beforehand and sorry if this question has already been answered before (I don't recall it though).
Charts never lie! (everyone else does) ... now where's that FF Adult lounge
  • #644
  • Nov 28, 2010 5:39pm Nov 28, 2010 5:39pm
Quoting acostafulano
My computer can easily manage 2 platforms running at the same time, 24/7. Would be glad to help with testing the 1 pair EA, let me know which EA/settings to test

Still, there's a couple of questions I still haven't gotten around: Somewhere along the thread sidhujag shared a code (based on the 6 pair EA's) that didn't rely on the global variables to work, but instead used a different type of calculation for the baskets (I have to mention that I am no coder).

From what I understood, this type of coding for the "phantom" EA worked better than...
Hi,

Thanks for your collaboration,

If you start a demo, you don't need to delete the global variables never, unless you start a new demo.....
  • #645
  • Nov 28, 2010 5:42pm Nov 28, 2010 5:42pm
It's late for me now. I need to sleep. See you tomorrow....thank you
  • #646
  • Nov 28, 2010 5:43pm Nov 28, 2010 5:43pm
My pleasure

Quoting Caillou
Thank you TraderJoe for your help, thank you very much....
Charts never lie! (everyone else does) ... now where's that FF Adult lounge
  • #647
  • Nov 28, 2010 6:25pm Nov 28, 2010 6:25pm
Okay... just trying to solidify which way we're headed at this time and remove any guessing for us who left our crystal ball at home

I'm assuming EU is the current pair choice?

I am also assuming "Single Pair Phantom.mq4" Post# 558 is the ONLY EA we are testing right now or are we still testing Full, light or others beginning right now?

Again we really need full filenames plz to get off on the right foot.

Okay Trader A 500/1 and B 50/1 good.

Pure Version? I don't see an EA named Pure Version, I assume you mean Single Pair Phantom.mq4, please verify?

The Filter thread is a good idea but first we need to make a list describing these filters. If you or someone can simply list the filters one by one I'd be happy to look them up and put descriptions to them. Anyone plz?
TJ



Quoting Caillou
Yes, I think it is easier to start test with 1 pair.

Perfect for the full name of the EA.

Maybe Trader A 500/1 and Trader B 50/1 ?

Pure Version has only 2 settings: MMTU and PP, I think Time Filter or other filters must come later.

Maybe a new thread called "Filters for Single Pair Phantom" where each filter might have a brief description and the possible advantages in using it.
Charts never lie! (everyone else does) ... now where's that FF Adult lounge
  • #648
  • Nov 28, 2010 6:46pm Nov 28, 2010 6:46pm
Quoting the-game
Pair: EURUSD
TF: M15

Starting Capital - $1000
Leverage - 500:1

MMTU - 0.4
PP - 1.0

*** I've added the PipStep = 10 mod in my own backtester as the only filter ***

Period: 02 Sep 2010 to 26 Nov 2010

M15
---
EDIT: After a second backtest, the account was STOPPED OUT LOL!...
UPDATED
  • #649
  • Nov 28, 2010 6:59pm Nov 28, 2010 6:59pm
Hello all,

4 hours into the new week and APF has hit its first pop.
Great start. Will post results periodically through the week.

Regards.
  • #650
  • Edited 7:56pm Nov 28, 2010 7:26pm | Edited 7:56pm
This is from 1 Jan 2010 till now with PipStep = 10

Pair: EURUSD
Starting Capital: $1000
MMTU: 0.4
PP: 1.0


M15
---
STOPPED OUT

M30
---
STOPPED OUT

H1
--
STOPPED OUT

H4
--
STOPPED OUT

D1
--
54.38% Profit
  • #651
  • Nov 28, 2010 8:05pm Nov 28, 2010 8:05pm
Same as #2 but with MMTU = 0.2 and PP = 0.5

M15
---
46.73% Profit

M30
---
47.43% Profit

H1
--
34.72% Profit

H4
--
STOPPED OUT

D1
--
29.51% Profit
  • #652
  • Nov 28, 2010 8:10pm Nov 28, 2010 8:10pm
I'm thinking that the backtest version has a vast difference compared to the real-time version. I'm not wasting anymore time with the backtest version.
  • #653
  • Nov 28, 2010 8:27pm Nov 28, 2010 8:27pm
[quote=the-game;4204395]Pair: EURUSD
TF: M15

Starting Capital - $1000
Leverage - 500:1

MMTU - 0.4
PP - 1.0

*** I've added the PipStep = 10 mod in my own backtester as the only filter ***

could you post the EA with pipstep added?
  • #654
  • Nov 28, 2010 8:28pm Nov 28, 2010 8:28pm
Quoting the-game
Pair: EURUSD
TF: M15

Starting Capital - $1000
Leverage - 500:1

MMTU - 0.4
PP - 1.0

*** I've added the PipStep = 10 mod in my own backtester as the only filter ***

Period: 02 Sep 2010 to 26 Nov 2010

M15
---
EDIT: After a second backtest, the account was STOPPED OUT LOL! FORGET IT!

******

Using the same settings, but on the following time frames:

M30
---
Last Fully Closed set of trades at 23 Nov 2010 17:20

91.25% Profit

H1
--
Last Fully Closed set of trades at 23 Nov 2010 18:25

73.87% Profit

H4
--
Last...
hi the-game,

thanks for testing. in my view 1000$ starting capital is too low for this kind of phantom systems. try with 10k

or adjust your MMTU, PP. current settings are very very aggressive for 1000$
  • #655
  • Nov 28, 2010 8:33pm Nov 28, 2010 8:33pm
Quoting the-game
Hi roundrock,

The Trading Hours code you implemented in the backtester version of Single Pair Phantom does not use the StopAfterNoTrades flag, it simply just stops the EA from trading at all.

During the non-trade hours, the EA should continue to try and "finish" an existing sequence of trades or if there isn't any open trades, just don't trade at all.

Thanks!
it does exactly as you mentioned.

it doesnt add any new trade outside the window. but it tries to close at any time if PP is reached. you can test this in forward testing today
  • #656
  • Nov 28, 2010 9:55pm Nov 28, 2010 9:55pm
Quoting roundrock
it does exactly as you mentioned.

it doesnt add any new trade outside the window. but it tries to close at any time if PP is reached. you can test this in forward testing today
Hi Roundrock,

No you need to re-read his post. You are misinterpreting what the-game is asking.

We want the EA to continue placing trades after the trade window finishes to complete a trading sequence - if the sequence is not closed out for profit during the trading window.

This is critical so that the functionality of the EA is not disrupted. So whenever there is an open sequence of trades the EA MUST have the ability to open positions as normal to close out for a pp even after the trade window closes.

The trade window is only there to limit the OPENING of trade sequences to the higher volatility period (or whatever period we set it for).

Tim
  • #657
  • Nov 28, 2010 10:13pm Nov 28, 2010 10:13pm
Quoting roundrock
hi the-game,

thanks for testing. in my view 1000$ starting capital is too low for this kind of phantom systems. try with 10k

or adjust your MMTU, PP. current settings are very very aggressive for 1000$
I agree wholeheartedly, MC stated that $3000 is the absolute minimum for his Basket14 EAs.

But I just like to test with $1k to filter out the good settings.
  • #658
  • Nov 28, 2010 10:16pm Nov 28, 2010 10:16pm
Quoting vanupips
could you post the EA with pipstep added?[/b]
Attached.
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File Type: mq4 Single Pair Phantom.mq4   16 KB | 271 downloads
  • #659
  • Nov 28, 2010 10:17pm Nov 28, 2010 10:17pm
Quoting roundrock
it does exactly as you mentioned.

it doesnt add any new trade outside the window. but it tries to close at any time if PP is reached. you can test this in forward testing today
Round rock,

I uploaded this EA ( single pair phantom) in euro/usd 30 min chart with following settings :
5000 $ standard a/c 200:1 leverage. MMTU 0.5, pROFIT 1.0.

I opened the chart and went out. When i come back i have noticed that the two trades ( one buy and one sell, both 0.13 standar lot) closed in loss, but there are more trades running with 0.13 lot size. When i was watching the screen it placed new trades ( one buy and one sell) but with 0.03 lot size this time and not 0.13 lot.

I attach the screen shot here. Can you tell me how the two trades get closed? i was under the impression that the whole basket will get closed in profit. Thanks in advance.
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Intraday only.
  • #660
  • Nov 28, 2010 10:18pm Nov 28, 2010 10:18pm
Quoting the-game
Hi roundrock,

The Trading Hours code you implemented in the backtester version of Single Pair Phantom does not use the StopAfterNoTrades flag, it simply just stops the EA from trading at all.

During the non-trade hours, the EA should continue to try and "finish" an existing sequence of trades or if there isn't any open trades, just don't trade at all.

Thanks!
Quoting roundrock
it does exactly as you mentioned.
I beg to differ with this code:

Inserted Code
   if(UseTradingHours && StartHour < curHour && FinishHour > curHour) {
     AddIfNeeded();   
     
   }
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