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  • #581
  • Nov 27, 2010 4:32pm Nov 27, 2010 4:32pm
Quoting sidhujag
OK Calliou the longer you have been in this game you better you will realize why.

Who needs an SL? That's the worsed thing you can say in the financial environment. Tell that to LTCM.

I only say 20% because that's been brought up it could be any number it could be 50% but then you would need to win more in a row to sustain the death trade.

There will ALWAYS be a situation that your EA can't handle. Let me stress this clearly... don't get your hopes up thinking the ea will recover in ANY situation its not happening. That being said you need...
You don't bother me. What I said is with this strategy a SL will not work in the long term, because you have to put the SL enough far to give the EA a chance to recover and if we do this, as you said the R:R is so bad that in the long run it will not be profitable.
So sorry you are wrong, this strategy has not a very bad R:R, because there is not a SL.
That is what I think that to make this EA profitable we have to look for something diferent of a SL. Maybe I will not find it, then I will reject it and look for another strategy.
But for now I have enough motivation to look for something different of a SL.
Maybe I like to waste my time but for now it is my time and I will do with it what I want.

Maybe as you said I'm wasting my time, but at least I believe in something, and I defend to the death, till I realised I'm wrong.
You said an EA without a SL will never work, maybe there is something different we can try.

Thank you for your advice, but show me only one EA with a SL that works under any market. You can't because if you could, you would not be here in this thread looking for something. Me, I believe in this EA and that's why I have no time to write in others threads. For now all that I need is at home, in my thread. Could you say the same?
  • #582
  • Nov 27, 2010 4:47pm Nov 27, 2010 4:47pm
Honestly sid, Just MHO; I don't think anyone really cares about your negative thinking regarding the experiments in this thread. You're acting like this great know it all parent that wants everyone to not go down the same road you already did when in fact you probably didn't listen to the same advice given to you by others and going down this road is the very reason you know what you do. Why not simply allow people to live and learn in their own way. Who knows maybe someone might see something you missed... err... maybe this is why you're cluttering up this thread so much with your na-do-tell attitude? I can say that I for one have read every post from the beginning including MC's Basket14's and this is the only time I felt taking precious space by posting here was needed. Hang, listen even contribute but stop the darn dragging down of this thread and it's higher thinking with your negative attitude please.

TJ


Quoting sidhujag
Why are you trying to trade one pair hedged anyways? There was a thread on this and proved to newbies that hedging isn't needed anyways.. it is actually equivalent to trading a single direction. All you are doing is riding the trend until PP. When whipsaw comes you are just using margin.

So if this is true you need the opposite of what you are saying... the idea is not to take two trades with 100% correlation... that is hedging.. the whole point is to distribute your money and hope the runner will get you to PP before your SL (or margin call)....
Charts never lie! (everyone else does) ... now where's that FF Adult lounge
  • #583
  • Nov 27, 2010 4:55pm Nov 27, 2010 4:55pm
Quoting TraderJoe
Honestly sid, Just MHO; I don't think anyone really cares about your negative thinking regarding the experiments in this thread. You're act like this great know it all parent that wants everyone to not go down the same road you already did when in fact you probably didn't listen to the same advice given to you by others and going down this road is the very reason you know what you do....
TJ,

Sure I may have missed something but this why I ask the questions on why a certain decision was made... like why do you choose to use a single pair? I brought up my point on why I think it doesn't do any good.. now its up to you to prove me wrong... isn't this what public forums are all about... many minds are greater than one? Sorry if I sounded like a "know it all" I'm usually annoyed by that myself I just try to learn from people making money and apply the ideas.. atleast I try to... so in doing so I'm simply stating opinion... like I said before demoing will prove everything and my first post today was all about this.. to gather statistics on the win rate to understand when to cut your loss.

Isn't ensuring you always have an SL right up there with don't hold positions over the weekend in trading 101?

Anyways maybe you can humble us on what you think if you're wasting your precious time letting everyone know that I'm "cluttering" up the thread.

But I agree I'm probably too negative and I'll tone it down to simple questions. I don't want to get anyone disinterested in the thread just because of my responses... I'm sure there is potential here for anyone who wants to put in the work.
  • #584
  • Nov 27, 2010 4:57pm Nov 27, 2010 4:57pm
Quoting sidhujag
Sorry Calliou,

but sometimes you need to learn when to cut your losses... you will see one day and come back to my posts.

Yes you have an SL with this strategy it is your account size... and that is what you risk every time for PP%... that's your R:R.

I can't give you any strategy that works long term that's why I said you need to evolve with the market. I gave you information that you may or...

Now I'm wasting my time and as you said time is money so I'm sure I don't bother you if I said thank you and see you, I think I will not improve the EA with this discussion so thanks again for your advice.....
  • #585
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:04pm Nov 27, 2010 5:04pm
Quoting sidhujag
TJ,

Sure I may have missed something but this why I ask the questions on why a certain decision was made... like why do you choose to use a single pair? I brought up my point on why I think it doesn't do any good.. now its up to you to prove me wrong... isn't this what public forums are all about... many minds are greater than one? I never said I know it all but I read many posts a day from people making money and I simply try to learn.. atleast I try to... so in applying what I learned I'm simply stating opinion... like I said before demoing...
Oh, one last thing, I don't have to prove you wrong, this is not a competition, not for me, I think you had better try to improve your EA, maybe you have forgotten a little.....
  • #586
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:13pm Nov 27, 2010 5:13pm
Quoting sidhujag
TJ,

Sure I may have missed something but this why I ask the questions on why a certain decision was made... like why do you choose to use a single pair? I brought up my point on why I think it doesn't do any good.. now its up to you to prove me wrong... isn't this what public forums are all about... many minds are greater than one? Sorry if I sounded like a "know it all" I'm usually annoyed by that myself I just try to learn from people making money and apply the ideas.. atleast I try to... so in doing so I'm simply stating opinion... like...
And come on, you really think someone could get disinterested in the thread because of your responses? Really? Your negative attitude only shows your desire that anyone could achieve what you have not succeeded in achieving......
  • #587
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:17pm Nov 27, 2010 5:17pm
Quoting sidhujag
No its not a competition so debates are not allowed? Everyone agrees on everything? No one offers competing views on the work?

Sounds to me like a totalitarian state lol

You're right I did improve it but I already got what I needed out of the work to better my understanding. Maybe it will be useful to someone else. Anyways gluck with your tests.
Totalitarian never! A lot of people had critized but with constructive attitude, not destructive attitude.....there's a big difference, I'm not the only one who as noticed that.....
  • #588
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:20pm Nov 27, 2010 5:20pm
Quoting Caillou
And come on, you really think someone could get disinterested in the thread because of your responses? Really? Your negative attitude only shows your desire that anyone could achieve what you have not succeeded in achieving......
I already apologized for the destructive view and said I wouldn't put it down anymore. What more do you wan't Spaniard?

Just like you haven't figured out the basics of trading maybe someone will come in here and not bother with it because people having conflicting views.

Don't give up your trading style until the end... hopefully you trade live one day aswell... add liquid to the market for someone else lol
  • #589
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:41pm Nov 27, 2010 5:41pm
Quoting sidhujag
I already apologized for the destructive view and said I wouldn't put it down anymore. What more do you wan't Spaniard?

Just like you haven't figured out the basics of trading maybe someone will come in here and not bother with it because people having conflicting views.

Don't give up your trading style until the end... hopefully you trade live one day aswell... add liquid to the market for someone else lol
Spaniard? I think I never insulted anyone, and much less to want someone to lose his money.... No comments.
  • #590
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:43pm Nov 27, 2010 5:43pm
Lets keep this thread from going where too many have gone before. Keep the egos in check. If you dont agree with someones point of view or idea, fine, move on to the next post. Threads getting long enough without reading 2 pages of a pissing contest. If you want to use a stop then use it, if you dont then dont. Lets face it we all are not going to agree on how to run any system. I personaly think there should be some kind of protective stop on the EA. Others dont, thats fine it is their money to do with as they please. Lets just keep it on topic guys please..ok.

Thanks
  • #591
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:51pm Nov 27, 2010 5:51pm
Quoting thorn
Lets keep this thread from going where too many have gone before. Keep the egos in check. If you dont agree with someones point of view or idea, fine, move on to the next post. Threads getting long enough without reading 2 pages of a pissing contest. If you want to use a stop then use it, if you dont then dont. Lets face it we all are not going to agree on how to run any system. I personaly think there should be some kind of protective stop on the EA. Others dont, thats fine it is their money to do with as they please. Lets just keep it on topic...
  • #592
  • Nov 27, 2010 5:55pm Nov 27, 2010 5:55pm
But I will not allow any insult, ok?
  • #593
  • Nov 27, 2010 7:49pm Nov 27, 2010 7:49pm
Quoting Caillou
Let's wait for Roundrock, but if we have one balance for both pairs, maybe the 2 EAs will close all trades when the General Equity Target is reached.....
I' m not sure......

this version works only on one pair. but its easy to make it work on multiple pairs simultaneously. but its not recommended due to MMTU issues. you could easily get into a huge DD with multiple pairs


if it works well on one pair, we will make that change later
  • #594
  • Nov 27, 2010 9:36pm Nov 27, 2010 9:36pm
Toning it down would be nice thank you.
We're not trading T101 here the last I checked, also it is not my place to humble you. Cluttering up the thread with non-thread related messages (like this one) is what I ment by that.

I for one get disgusted when a perfectly good uplifting thread like this one becomes a dart throughing contest just because one person out of hundreds feels like he is the only way to success in the thread and will not allow the moderator lead according to that persons ideals... throwing around his weight as if no one else around has been where he has.... trust me man I been there and surely many others here have too. Like I said previously, offering help, suggesting helpful ideas which are in the 'spirit' of the moderators plans are what make threads really good; if that were not so, then there would be no need for thousands of threads. Only one would ever be needed. Since everyone has their own tunnel-vision-views there would be no need for different topics, moderators, sets of followers and different points of views. That one thread would have not only your poignant views but everyone elses too to destroy any semblence of order there too.

TJ

Quoting sidhujag
TJ,

Isn't ensuring you always have an SL right up there with don't hold positions over the weekend in trading 101?

Anyways maybe you can humble us on what you think if you're wasting your precious time letting everyone know that I'm "cluttering" up the thread.

But I agree I'm probably too negative and I'll tone it down to simple questions. I don't want to get anyone disinterested in the thread just because of my responses... I'm sure there is potential here for anyone who wants to put in the work.
Charts never lie! (everyone else does) ... now where's that FF Adult lounge
  • #595
  • Nov 27, 2010 10:10pm Nov 27, 2010 10:10pm
Quoting TraderJoe
Toning it down would be nice thank you.
We're not trading T101 here the last I checked, also it is not my place to humble you. Cluttering up the thread with non-thread related messages (like this one) is what I ment by that.

[size=2]I for one get disgusted when a perfectly good uplifting thread like this one becomes a dart throughing contest just because one person out of hundreds feels like he is the only way to success in the thread and will not allow the moderator lead according to that persons ideals......
Yes you make a good point. Maybe I need a drink lol
  • #596
  • Nov 27, 2010 10:41pm Nov 27, 2010 10:41pm
Hi, Caillou:

Thanks a lot for your creative idea and this thread. However, I'm writing this post to ask that do you really think that your comments below is not rude?

No, this is not for me, this is for ZZ or anyone else who is talking about normal/serious stuff. sometimes it might seem deviating/unrelated, but suggestions may be politely made. Are you sure that this is the way they treated you when you propose your ideas including 3-pairs?

again, this is not for me, i still can PM ZZ for his results, but am upset to see such unfriendly, unkind, and meaningless confrontation. after all, ZZ is introducing his analysis and results, not bragging how to be a great forum poster.

Quoting Caillou
Hi Zznbrm,

A few observations:

1.- You mention Charvo twice, this is not Charvo' s thread, this is not Caillou' s thread, it is the thread of every person interested in Art_Phantom EAs, so if you want to speak only to Charvo, please send him a pm.

2.- Obviously, your test doesn't reflect Art_Phantom EAs's operating mechanism, so your results might be better, worst but sure not the same than Art_Phantom EAs so please, don't confuse anyone.
  • #597
  • Edited 11:46pm Nov 27, 2010 11:06pm | Edited 11:46pm
Quoting vanupips
opened 4 pos, then closed 2 of them (PP 0.5)
then opened 6 new pos ,closed 1 of the first and 4 of new for 0.4 p
then opened 2 new pos -not on right time- same time as last was closed,
then closed 3 positions-with loss and opened same time 2 new-...
opened 1 new then closec 3 with 1.8 P
it is just not working properly...
i fixed the issue, uploaded the EA in same place.

earlier i used position to get the order for close, that didnt work properly

instead i am now using ticket number, so no issues

MQL is such a premitive language, its hard to understand why some simple things dont work. besides there is no debugger... its like cloding in dark
  • #598
  • Nov 27, 2010 11:30pm Nov 27, 2010 11:30pm
Well done all who have contributed. I have been following this thread from the beginning. Eagerly checking each day to see what the latest updates are. I will start testing the single pair version as of monday and will share results.
Once again, Thank you all. Keep it up !
  • #599
  • Nov 27, 2010 11:40pm Nov 27, 2010 11:40pm
Hi guys, just resending a previous post!

I set my live APLite "stop after trade" input to true after taking 1% and I didn't reset the input due to the US bank holiday-Thanksgiving.

My question is, do I reset global variables for the week to follow this weekend or leave it as is?

Pete
  • #600
  • Nov 28, 2010 12:58am Nov 28, 2010 12:58am
Quoting roundrock
this version works only on one pair. but its easy to make it work on multiple pairs simultaneously. but its not recommended due to MMTU issues. you could easily get into a huge DD with multiple pairs


if it works well on one pair, we will make that change later
Thank you Roundrock
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