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  • #141
  • Nov 23, 2010 9:54am Nov 23, 2010 9:54am
Quoting Olarion1975
Hi Caillou,

great result!
What were your settings?

Thanks,
Oliver
Hi Oliver,

The same as post 1, MMTU: 0.4, PP: 1.0 (Leverage 500:1)
  • #142
  • Nov 23, 2010 10:07am Nov 23, 2010 10:07am
Quoting Caillou
Demo Account Started 12h15 (GMT+2), Gain: 4,1%, just 4 hours, unbelievable, yes, I know too early but.....I feel good

More important is how quick it could recover from DD, this is the most important......
what is the difference between this demo and the demo you had in the first post ?
  • #143
  • Nov 23, 2010 10:13am Nov 23, 2010 10:13am
Quoting vanupips
what is the difference between this demo and the demo you had in the first post ?
It is exactly the same version, but I wanted to test Extreme Version, today I rejected it and now I started a new demo with the same Full Version.
  • #144
  • Nov 23, 2010 10:18am Nov 23, 2010 10:18am
Quoting navk
Two baskets got closed during europeon session. Present equity : 5787 $.

Equity up by 15.7 % in 4 trading days !

Today is 5 th day of trading this EA.

Cheers !
Phanotom3_suv ( lighter version )
New basket got closed. Present equity 5846 4. Up by 17 % on the fifth day. Really fantastic performance !

Cheers cailliou !
Intraday only.
  • #145
  • Nov 23, 2010 10:26am Nov 23, 2010 10:26am
Extreme version:

Started with 5059 $ on 22nd nov.

Presently balance is 5241 4. $. 182 $ in a day. Not that bad again.

But no of open trades and DD to be watched for more days !
Intraday only.
  • #146
  • Nov 23, 2010 10:36am Nov 23, 2010 10:36am
Quoting navk
Extreme version:

Started with 5059 $ on 22nd nov.

Presently balance is 5241 4. $. 182 $ in a day. Not that bad again.

But no of open trades and DD to be watched for more days !
Yes Navk,

Actually I think Full performance is better than Extreme Version..
  • #147
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:11am Nov 23, 2010 11:11am
Quoting timmy
Pipchaser your broker may only take certain lot sizes and so if your MMTU is calculating a non standard fractional lot size then it may not open trades. Eg If you broker only takes lot increments of 0.05 and you have a mmtu that is calculating 0.06 lots per trade, your platform may not trade. Check this out with your broker - you may have to change the mmtu to effect an exact multiple of the brokers lot sizing requirements.

Tim
Hi Tim,

Thank you for your response. I am using FXDD demo, and it can open micro lot of 0.01. I tested it.

I have checked through all possible causes as mentioned in the thread, but still no position open till this moment.

No clue as to what might happen.
  • #148
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:17am Nov 23, 2010 11:17am
[quote=Caillou;4192507]Hello everyone,


Pipchaser888: Have you read this ?:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=252690

Hi Caillou,

Thank you for your response. Yes, I have read through the thread and everything seems to be in order. But still no trade open.

Any clue?
  • #149
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:21am Nov 23, 2010 11:21am
[quote=pipchaser888;4193939]
Quoting Caillou
Hello everyone,


Pipchaser888: Have you read this ?:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=252690

Hi Caillou,

Thank you for your response. Yes, I have read through the thread and everything seems to be in order. But still no trade open.

Any clue?
Hi Pipchaser888,

Could you attach a screenshot to see your information ? Your broker has increments 0.01 and what is minimum lot size?
  • #150
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:22am Nov 23, 2010 11:22am
Quoting the-game
navk: In Market Watch pane, right click and select "Show All"
Pip chaser,

Try as 'the game' suggested. It worked for me.
Intraday only.
  • #151
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:25am Nov 23, 2010 11:25am
calliou :

The lighter version, i opened in another platform with 0.8 MMTU, 1.0 profit, 3000 $ account, 200:1 leverage standard account.

I will check the performance once again on a different platform. I will swith on the EA before asian session.
Intraday only.
  • #152
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:35am Nov 23, 2010 11:35am
Quoting navk
calliou :

The lighter version, i opened in another platform with 0.8 MMTU, 1.0 profit, 3000 $ account, 200:1 leverage standard account.

I will check the performance once again on a different platform. I will swith on the EA before asian session.
Perfect Navk,

Will wait for your results with great interest. We have to compare between Full and Light % Gain and % max DD, difference in gain must be high to choose Full Version because DD would be higher too.
  • #153
  • Nov 23, 2010 12:48pm Nov 23, 2010 12:48pm
Quoting charvo
@ Tim

My lot size 0.24 is actually due to the EA took my previous account balance value of $5000. I had 2000+ DD from last week using other phantom EAs. I guess that's how the EA's lot size got confused, because on Monday i shut down all other EA only start running 'Art Light'.

And this morning, US. Est, the basket recovered from -800$ to +$300 and closed. damn, is it luck or algorithm? I need demo more...

Caillou, and Tim, let me know if this is what you want:

when equity reach a negative %, close the biggest loser? or what ?

I did not...
Hi Charvo,

I was referring to closing out the entire position when the equity reaches X% negative. Only want this as a last resort fail safe. I would have it set well out from normal DD. But to trade a decent sized live account this would be usful.
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Traderunner - thanks for your version. I was thinking that it should be an advantage for the EA to trade more often so that it can react more quickly to market reversals.

So the Art Extreme should be more efficient than all other versions. The key here is to look at the contract size you are getting from your light or full version and devide it accordingly. So if you are trading 1 lot for example on light - you'd possibly want to trade 0.25 lots for extreme. (So the MMTU would have to be set accordingly).

I think this would solve the added DD risk based on the total number of trades and it should make the EA more efficient in responding to reversals and so actually improve the DD. Wouldn't this EA be much more efficient and quicker to react.

Still, the key here for best efficient reversal is the recalculation of the basket balance for the reversal pair(s) so they can open trades more quickly to rebalance the hedge after a big move in our direction followed by a sharp reversal - but only after the value per net pip move within the open trade group reaches 'x%', and there is Y% reversal on the open pair(s) that are driving our open positions to profit. (See my earlier posts).

Again, the addition of an "Allow Trades Window" - with a start and finish time window (set in EA as variables) to allow the EA to begin a trade sequence (and of course it could keep going past this time period for as long as it takes to close out with an equity pop), would also cut down DD as we could ensure that it does not reopen trades during the slow Asian session.

Maybe Traderunner would consider coding these modes....

Tim
  • #154
  • Nov 23, 2010 1:31pm Nov 23, 2010 1:31pm
Quoting timmy
Hi Charvo,

I was referring to closing out the entire position when the equity reaches X% negative....
Hi Tim,

Absolutely agree with your start and finish time option.
What I' m not sure is about the better performance of Extreme Version. To take a trade each 15 min could overtrade a pair without enough power to continue the move. I agree with you that it would react more quickly but this could be solved with your "Rebalancing Pairs Mod".
I think this modification could be very interesting....
  • #155
  • Nov 23, 2010 1:37pm Nov 23, 2010 1:37pm
Quoting navk
phantom3_30 ;

Started with 4783 $ on sunday open.

Presently the equity is 4915 $. 2.75 % in 2 days. Not that bad, but opens many trades in a basket.
phantom3_30 (full version ):

Next basket got closed. Present equity 4963 $. Up from 4783 $ since sunday open.
Intraday only.
  • #156
  • Nov 23, 2010 1:37pm Nov 23, 2010 1:37pm
Quoting charvo
Caillou, and Tim, let me know if this is what you want:

when equity reach a negative %, close the biggest loser? or what ?
I haven't had time to get involved here yet but I really like this thread. Thanks Caillou for making it a separate thread. I think it simplifies the input and tracking tremendously.

Charvo, I have posted a couple of times on the other threads about closing biggest losers at a user defined margin level. It is basically just imitating the broker margin call procedure, but at a higher margin so that you never reach the margin call. I'm not sure what you mean by "equity reach a negative %", but I suppose it could be initiated by equity rather than margin.
Frazer
  • #157
  • Nov 23, 2010 1:45pm Nov 23, 2010 1:45pm
Keeping a close stop loss target is not ok. We have seen a DD upto 7 to 8 % for certain versions of this EA. Even after reaching that DD, the EA quickly recovers and closes in profit. In my opinion only an emergencY stop ( say when DD reaches above 10 % ) should be considered to close major losing trade..
Intraday only.
  • #158
  • Nov 23, 2010 2:00pm Nov 23, 2010 2:00pm
Quoting frazerd
I haven't had time to get involved here yet but I really like this thread. Thanks Caillou for making it a separate thread. I think it simplifies the input and tracking tremendously.

Charvo, I have posted a couple of times on the other threads about closing biggest losers at a user defined margin level. It is basically just imitating the broker margin call procedure, but at a higher margin so that you never reach the margin call. I'm not sure what you mean by "equity reach a negative %", but I suppose it could be initiated by equity rather...
Hi Frazerd,

You are welcome here. For those who don' t know who is Frazerd he is one of the creators with MC of this EA' s so with your presence this thread has risen its category.

I like your idea about imitate the broker margin call procedure, it could help the EA to reach profit in difficult situations. Let' s hope someone could code this.

Thanks Frazerd
  • #159
  • Nov 23, 2010 2:10pm Nov 23, 2010 2:10pm
Quoting Caillou
For those who don' t know who is Frazerd he is one of the creators with MC of this EA' s so with your presence this thread has risen its category.
Not a creator, MC gets all the credit for that. I have just been helping him with testing and evaluating for quite a long time.

But thanks for the recognition. You are doing a great job here. Hopefully I will soon get some demos started with your 3 pair strategies.
Frazer
  • #160
  • Nov 23, 2010 2:13pm Nov 23, 2010 2:13pm
Quoting frazerd
Not a creator, MC gets all the credit for that. I have just been helping him with testing and evaluating for quite a long time.

But thanks for the recognition. You are doing a great job here. Hopefully I will soon get some demos started with your 3 pair strategies.
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