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  • #221
  • Oct 15, 2010 6:19pm Oct 15, 2010 6:19pm
Quoting duffypratt
I figured out the difference between HW's results and mine....
Hi Duffy,
This attachment should be the final piece to your puzzle. I'm sorry I miss-counted......I only have 14 pairs...
Have a great weekend

whip
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  • #222
  • Oct 15, 2010 6:48pm Oct 15, 2010 6:48pm
Quoting Viv108
Me too... I ain't got a clue either...

.. what does EA stand for? What is Mt4?....See?
Under normal circumstances, this kind of idiotic post gets the poster banned and, usually, hanged drawn and quartered before being shot - all of this in front of a warmly-applauding audience of FF contributors.

I am in a good mood tonight and so will merely provide Educational Elucidation, so:

 

  1. EA: Extra-terrestrial Activation
  2. Mt4 is often incorrectly written as such. It should be MT4 and is a convenient shorthand for a highly secret scientific development codenamed Matter Transfer For All. Shhhssssshhhh. Say nothing. Just by the shares, ok?

  • #223
  • Oct 15, 2010 6:58pm Oct 15, 2010 6:58pm
Quoting SteveHopwood
Under normal circumstances, this kind of idiotic post gets the poster banned and, usually, hanged drawn and quartered before being shot - all of this in front of a warmly-applauding audience of FF contributors.

I am in a good mood tonight and so will merely provide Educational Elucidation, so:[list][*]EA: Extra-terrestrial Activation[*]Mt4 is often incorrectly written as such. It should be MT4 and is a convenient shorthand for a highly secret scientific development codenamed Matter Transfer For All. Shhhssssshhhh. Say nothing. Just...
, Thanks - good explanation . Made my day.
Hej.
  • #224
  • Oct 15, 2010 7:04pm Oct 15, 2010 7:04pm
Quoting Stitch961
, Thanks - good explanation . Made my day.
One does one's best to supply Educational Acquisition to all.
  • #225
  • Oct 15, 2010 7:12pm Oct 15, 2010 7:12pm
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We all think ea trading is a rubbishy waste of time. That is why we all devote so much time to developing them.
Exactly. It's just like beer!


PS: While I was buzzed on a nice Oktoberfest dark lager last night I did some genetic surgery and grafted The Beast onto LibOrderReliable4. If it works, Da Beast may fail a little less with TradeContextBusy etc errors. I'll post if it doesn't blow up next week.

2+24ex: I know Steve razzed you about telling us the obvious but if you have constructive suggestions & experience on alternative programming & execution environments that may be useful.
  • #226
  • Oct 15, 2010 7:36pm Oct 15, 2010 7:36pm
Quoting mbkennel
Exactly. It's just like beer!
Yep. Goes down the pan in the same way.

Quote
PS: While I was buzzed on a nice Oktoberfest dark lager last night I did some genetic surgery and grafted The Beast onto LibOrderReliable4. If it works, Da Beast may fail a little less with TradeContextBusy etc errors. I'll post if it doesn't blow up next week.
I look forward to this. The only change I plan making in the immediate future is offering better on-screen feedback. As is, the feedback reflects the very simple ea that I originally coded for macman and needs updating to show the different user choices. Accommodating OR will be easy.

  • #227
  • Oct 15, 2010 8:07pm Oct 15, 2010 8:07pm
My thinking is that scalping with EAs is difficult and easy to manipulate by broker delays, price movement and higher spreads. With EA strategies based on 1hr and 4hr its unlikely to be subject to manipulation. Take away stop losses or place them 100s of pips away and these less opportunity for stop loss hunting. I think EAs based on higher time frames make good sense as the level of sensitivity, margin of error can be greater without getting burned as lot sizes are smaller

rgds
Peter


Quoting 2+2=4ex
I hear everyone talking about how good this EA is. Has anyone backtested it over several years and with model quality 90% or higher? Also, has anyone using it live encountered disconnects, error messages and/or trade context busy? It is to my understanding that MT4 was designed to be able to be manipulated. I will admit I used to be an MT4 lover. I still use MT4 but only for charting purposes. My experiences of trading on MT4 is asking for trouble, especially when leaving the trades up to an EA. I found my profitable EA's being "shutdown" or the...
  • #228
  • Oct 15, 2010 8:08pm Oct 15, 2010 8:08pm
Quoting ChicagoRob
Very nice. Can you share your set file?

Rob
here.
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  • #229
  • Oct 15, 2010 8:13pm Oct 15, 2010 8:13pm
Quoting SteveHopwood

Hehe. That was fun. Now, 2+2=4ex, kindly stop insulting the seriously clever people contributing here by implying that everything you write is news to them. Then stop insulting the less-experienced but equally clever traders for the same reasons. Then stop insulting all the dipsticks who would make their equally daft-to-yours contributions were they only allowed to. That would be my job.

As I read that post I was wondering what kind of response it might get from you. Hilarious!!!

I'm attaching my 9 day result with the beast...100% unattended.
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Let me see...why might it garner any attention....56% return for closed trades....about $1,100 in current drawdown, almost 2,200 closed pips, 400 for open trades....and on track for a monthly return of 282%...with aggressive money management. I know I'm wasting my time with this....how could it work this well. Take 10% of that with some smart money management and you got something good. I know there are some prolonged trends that will give this some trouble....but this is the most clever trading EA I've ever seen. I was going to go live and trade pennies to see how that would go....but if this continues, it will require a more substantial amount live.

Thanks to those who continue to contribute to the coding....I marvel at all of you. I did create my first custom indicator today...whohoo! Unfortunately I'm a lifetime away from adding value here to the code....so I will continue to forward test and provide that feedback. To those who doubt this is worthwhile to pursue, good luck in your efforts!

Have a great weekend.

Cheers
CanuckCT
  • #230
  • Oct 15, 2010 9:03pm Oct 15, 2010 9:03pm
Quoting CanuckCT
As I read that post I was wondering what kind of response it might get from you....
Just found this thread...and have read through many pages from the beginning...looks like a profitable EA has been created by some brilliant minds! Before I go testing this Beast...are the appropriate files and settings still located on the 1st post or is there a file or two hidden within the pages of this thread that I need to locate and utilize?
When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious s***.
  • #231
  • Oct 15, 2010 9:16pm Oct 15, 2010 9:16pm
Quoting MarcVUM
Just found this thread...and have read through many pages from the beginning...looks like a profitable EA has been created by some brilliant minds! Before I go testing this Beast...are the appropriate files and settings still located on the 1st post or is there a file or two hidden within the pages of this thread that I need to locate and utilize?
page 1 post 1 is enough.
  • #232
  • Oct 15, 2010 9:28pm Oct 15, 2010 9:28pm
Here are my results from Sunday night starting at 9pm EDT with the latest version deployed in Post 1. Took default settings except for changing lot size to .30 and .10 as required by FXCM. The test was unmanaged. Just let it run it's course. Largest drawdown witnessed was around $2200 on a $10,000 account. Amazing. Needs more testing in different market conditions. Again, amazing results. Maybe I'm running it too rich.
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  • #233
  • Edited Oct 16, 2010 12:04am Oct 15, 2010 11:41pm | Edited Oct 16, 2010 12:04am
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No, of course we don't. We all think ea trading is a rubbishy waste of time. That is why we all devote so much time to developing them.

Hehe. That was fun. Now, 2+2=4ex, kindly stop insulting the seriously clever people contributing here by implying that everything you write is news to them. Then stop insulting the less-experienced but equally clever traders for the same reasons. Then stop insulting all the dipsticks who would make their equally daft-to-yours contributions were they only allowed to. That would be my...

Wow. Steve, with all due respect, I am shocked at your reply to my comment. I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't trying to enlighten, insult or belittle you or anyone else on here. I was just merely posting my experiences and hoping to get responses from others to see if they've had similar experiences as I did. I think you misunderstood the manner in which I started the first sentence about everyone saying how good the EA is. Apparently you mistook that for an attack on your work and went off on me from there. Well I wasn't so sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I cannot code one bit to save my life. Even if I was the best programmer in the world I wouldn't belittle others for their efforts. It's just not the type of person I am. But again I'm not any bit of a programmer so even more reason to not demean anyone.

I have to say, I respect your ability to code and create EA's, but if the attitude you showed towards me is the type of person you really are, then I have a hard time respecting you as a person. That's just being honest. I'll just take it you had a bad day and/or misunderstanding where I was coming from with my comment. Good luck to you sir.

2+2

PS. Steve, in your reply you say gosh it is obvious that brokers do disconnects and errors with intent. Then you go on to say that my post was an insult to those like yourself who work so hard to code EA's. I'm just curious, and my apologies if my question is naive, but why go through the trouble of spending so much effort coding if it's obvious to you the broker will shut you down?? Just curious and truly trying to understand.
  • #234
  • Oct 16, 2010 12:00am Oct 16, 2010 12:00am
Quoting peterke
My thinking is that scalping with EAs is difficult and easy to manipulate by broker delays, price movement and higher spreads. With EA strategies based on 1hr and 4hr its unlikely to be subject to manipulation. Take away stop losses or place them 100s of pips away and these less opportunity for stop loss hunting. I think EAs based on higher time frames make good sense as the level of sensitivity, margin of error can be greater without getting burned as lot sizes are smaller

rgds
Peter
Quoting mbkennel
2+24ex: I know Steve razzed you about telling us the obvious but if you have constructive suggestions & experience on alternative programming & execution environments that may be useful.
Thank you guys for the replys and showing some basic human decency.
  • #235
  • Oct 16, 2010 6:18am Oct 16, 2010 6:18am
Quoting 2+2=4ex
Wow. Steve, with all due respect, I am shocked at your reply to my comment. I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't trying to enlighten, insult or belittle you or anyone else on here. I was just merely posting my experiences and hoping to get responses from others to see if they've had similar experiences as I did. I think you misunderstood the manner in which I started the first sentence about everyone saying how good the EA is. Apparently you mistook that for an attack on your work and went off on me from there. Well I wasn't...
Why were you shocked?

Basically all posts fall into one of three categories:

1. Positive - Includes an idea, suggestion, some data, useful tip etc
2. Neutral - Usually 'thank you ...', 'I am going to start ...', 'how do I ...' etc
3. Negative - No help whatsoever, misunderstood assumptions, didn't bother to read the thread etc

Steve (& the rest of us) intensely dislike posts falling into number 3, which yours clearly was.

This is not a beginners thread - Steve's unique form of moderation means that it remains readable.

By all means post anything you like, just be aware of the consequences if you choose to go down the number 3 route ...
  • #236
  • Edited 9:36am Oct 16, 2010 8:00am | Edited 9:36am
Guys, now it is weekend there is a new must-read thread for you. Go to lawgirl's thread at http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=257876, which takes David's 4H Trendline Scalping system to a new level.

There is no need to read the whole thread unless you want to. The details are in post 1 and they are very easy to grasp. Read the first 10 pages or so to see a few of lg's charts to make sure you have grasped the point, then skip to the end.

Stop off en route at http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost.php?p=4096854 to pick up the NB-style trading ea's so you don't have to watch the charts all the time, and at http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost.php?p=4100883 to pick up the trend-display ea I have coded (needs a dashboard really - phover? Swingman? Squalou?).

Hope to see you all there.

  • #237
  • Oct 16, 2010 9:50am Oct 16, 2010 9:50am
hi steve,

i was going through the backtests, for the most part it was really working well the hedging function saved the trade in most instances.. (here goes) except when it ranges up and down with the rsi not hitting the required values to hedge correctly and just crashes. MPTM might avoid these from happening but i'm just saying it "might" happen.

i know a lot of complicated things has been incorporated and while i was taking a shower i remembered that this is sixth trading, we open trades based on the yellow line, why don't we have a change in the hedge function when the primary trade becomes at the green line?

2 options to get out of the hedge.

1. close the hedge and primary trade at BE and re open position of primary trade

2. close the hedge and primary trade at BE w/ profit if they turned on BE + pips option which is currently implemented.
  • #238
  • Oct 16, 2010 10:10am Oct 16, 2010 10:10am
Quoting SteveHopwood
Guys, now it is weekend there is a new must-read thread for you. Go to lawgirl's thread at http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=257876, which takes David's 4H Trendline Scalping system to a new level.

There is no need to read the whole thread unless you want to. The details are in post 1 and they are very easy to grasp. Read the first 10 pages or so to see a few of lg's charts to make sure you have grasped the point, then skip to the end.

Stop off en route at http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost.php?p=4096854...

Theres no stopping to the Steve Machine.... Excellent stuff
The Kamakazi
  • #239
  • Oct 16, 2010 11:11am Oct 16, 2010 11:11am
Quoting Bl888
Theres no stopping to the Steve Machine.... Excellent stuff
Hero calls followed by margin calls...
  • #240
  • Edited 1:08pm Oct 16, 2010 12:09pm | Edited 1:08pm
Quoting macman
Why were you shocked?

Basically all posts fall into one of three categories:

1. Positive - Includes an idea, suggestion, some data, useful tip etc
2. Neutral - Usually 'thank you ...', 'I am going to start ...', 'how do I ...' etc
3. Negative - No help whatsoever, misunderstood assumptions, didn't bother to read the thread etc

Steve (& the rest of us) intensely dislike posts falling into number 3, which yours clearly was.

This is not a beginners thread - Steve's unique form of moderation means that it remains readable.

By all means post...
I was shocked because I didn't expect to recieve such a rude reply. I would have thought him to be receptive to someone commenting on his thread. Now I understand he takes this serious as do all of you, but I just don't think that type of reply was warranted. If my comment ruffled some feathers then all it would have taken was a simple reply asking me to leave or even more appropriate: a private message. Don't you think that would have been more dignified? I guess he felt the need to publicly try to embarass and insult for some reason ??? I don't know, maybe my comments aren't good for his business ??? No skin off my back, I know better than to be insulted by something someone writes online from afar.

To all others, my apologies if my comment was of no value. As I stated before I have zero ability to code, however I do know how to trade. After many years of trial and error (failure), I do have several trading strategies in my "arsenal" which I trade manually with success. Like I said before, I haven't had pleasant experiences with EA's due to what appears to be broker interventions and such, but maybe I'm missing something.
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