Need help..What makes the market move?

Ok need some info from someone in the know...I understand why pairs move the way they do. I even know the exact numbers that need to be hit, what i don't understand is the order. Why some prices are hit in 3 hours and some 3 days? Look at what just happend XAU/USD 1324.169 has been a target since Friday at 10:30. There was alot of funds tied up in that trade. If theres anyone out there that understands what Im talking about please pm me or something.

Up and down like a hooker's knickers? Does it look like it's random? You bet it is.

Lol thats the oldest scam in the book...

you need to search darkstart thread in this forum, find it read it.
if you keep asking stupid question just like that maybe some day you will find something interesting. good luck.

If your referring to his market structure thread, yes its a good read. But Ive been at this day and night for 2 years now. The things I'm asking about are not common knowledge.

That something appears random doesn't mean that it is random. The appearance may simply be due to our ignorance.

Today the Chinese decided to squeeze the dollar a bit. Say your mate works for the bank that did the dealing, and he tells you in advance that the order will be executed at 8.30 London time. Would you tell him that can't be true because the markets are random?

What makes the market move is, like today, the actions of the dealing banks and other large market participants. Not something you will ever know about unless you have the connections. BUT these actions leave traces and patterns repeat themselves, and in this way you may be able to anticipate and profit from the next move.

Mr. Medici, I like your LO method and am aware of what you're talking about. Don't let appearances deceive you. As they say, there's no wise answer for a stupid question. Mmm, yes, I'm ignorant, but, ignorance is bliss.

Sorry, didn't mean that to be taken personally but was simply trying to make the point that even though the original question may be naive it is not stupid but rather the right one to ask.

Differently put, by Brett Steenbarger:

Proper training for a trader is, at root, an epistemological undertaking. It transforms the knower by expanding the realm of the known. When you become expert, you forever see the world differently. You also think differently, guided by principles, not just percepts.

See http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/2007/...f-trading.html

Thank you for the explanation. I will need some time to chew through that article. See the world differently ... hm, I can see only one way, my way. How will I know if it's already different?

OK, I'll go and read.

I think the point of my question was completely missed....The price I stated in my question for Gold I knew about friday. Just like Usd/Cad 1.02025 I had that number at 4:00pm est yesterday. I was simply looking for someone that is using the same method as I. And anyone that has those numbers will know what I'm talking about. But thanks for the answers

I'm aware of the effects of certain trades being played out( traces and patterns). But its not where these trades are being taken thats the biggest ground breaker ...its why.

Someone please be so kind and tell me where's the naive but not stupid question in here. I feel stupid coz I can't see it.

Not understanding how my question is stupid or naive. Ive been trading live 1.5yrs. I calculate my prices 6 times a day they always get hit just not in order.
example.....My 10:30am price will get hit after my 12:30pm price.
I'm looking for others out there that do the same.

So why don't you share a bit about your method so we can have a proper conversation?

I would enjoy being able to work with others on my method , but seeing what has happened to other methods on these forums(get stolen,sold,the next ebay epidemic).....maybe one day though. But no offense to the forum great place to learn.

I understand where you are coming from, but I wouldn't worry if people sold it under their own name. The only concern would be if the method becoming general knowledge could affect market behaviour and thus profitability of the method. Shouldn't be a worry if you are calculating target prices, but one may then wonder how you expect to have a conversation about aspects of it without sharing it...

I was just going off the possibility of someone else using the same method, as I know they do. Ive seen the same thing repeat its self over and over everyday. The prices I gave should let them know. Thanks for your willingness to help.

how about this,u say random

prior to 911 attacks the put options volume of major airplane companies increased 1200% ,the buldings went down,the stock price fell to the roof,

here the story


- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options… Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these “insiders” would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;… Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent “insiders,” they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley’s share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million. Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill’s shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by “insiders,” their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany’s Munich Re, Switzerland’s Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a “double whammy” for them.]

On September 29, 2001 – in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media – the San Francisco Chronicle reported, “Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.
“The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors – whose identities and nationalities have not been made public – had advance knowledge of the strikes.” They don’t dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

“… October series options for UAL Corp. were purchased in highly unusual volumes three trading days before the terrorist attacks for a total outlay of $2,070; investors bought the option contracts, each representing 100 shares, for 90 cents each. [This represents 230,000 shares]. Those options are now selling at more than $12 each. There are still 2,313 so-called “put” options outstanding [valued at $2.77 million and representing 231,300 shares] according to the Options Clearinghouse Corp.”

“…The source familiar with the United trades identified Deutsche Bank Alex. Brown, the American investment banking arm of German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of these options…” This was the operation managed by Krongard until as recently as 1998.

http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

the war starts...major oil companies profit from the war,many defence ones and security companies,.....who got blamed for the war.well obviously the one cant defend themselves against big powers,and whos rich lands have a reason to be invaded

Can't say I agree or disagree with this...but look at the huge racket that is our Federal Reserve. This is something that should have been taken out long ago..

Not again ... mentioning the words "random" or "gamble" seems to raise some pulses everywhere. But this time I'm not gonna start talking about a lady's parts just to get back to the original subject.