James16 is not credible

You quack. You guys sound as stupid as this crook

LOL We'll leave it there, eh Sim? Any time you fancy another another savage ass-whuppin', you just let me know, OK son?

@Albatross,
Granted, it is about 2years ago that I last read the free thread and granted I am not a member of the PF and never was, so a lot may have changed that I am not aware of, but...

I can't remember that being pompous, arrogant and insulting, with a penchant for blowing smoke up one's own @$$, being in the 'spirit' of what people like James, Fiji, Dial etc. were trying to get across and instill in the 'students' of the J16 'family'

I personally picked up more on other traits they were trying to get across, like patience, humility, sincerity, consideration for others, helpfulness... hidden amongst the PA of course...

Dunno, as mentioned, a lot may have changed, but from what I know, you really are a discredit to the membership and I'm sure the 'good 'ol boys' of that club would certainly not approve of your conduct under the guise of 'sticking up for them'.
Just read back on some of James' personal responses in this very thread, if you need a refresher.

That's all I'm saying on the matter, I have absolutely no inclination to engage you in any conversation. It is merely an observation and personal opinion. (and I'm sure you know what they say about opinions...)

Peace all.

Thanks for your comments. I don't represent the group in any way, and I'm not sticking up for anything. I merely made a light-hearted observation to the effect that the endless screeds of baseless speculation, some of which has been bordering on the libellous, have had the opposite effect to that intended.

This Sim character then appeared from nowhere (I have never spoken to him before) and posted something about me getting my "dick massaged" or some such unsavoury thing.

I merely fired one back at him, in exactly the same vein as he approached me, which I think is reasonable. He was not content to leave it there, but attacked me again, hysterically accusing me of being thick. Under the circumstances, I think it not unreasonable to respond, and point out the irony of being called thick by such a person. The tone I adopted was merely an appropriate and simple way to deal with someone who had attacked me. Had his approach been different, so would mine. The pompous tone was deliberate (very obviously so, I thought) and was simply a device. I was insulting because I had been gratuitously insulted. I'm not sure what "blowing smoke up one's own @ss" means or entails, so that I can't comment upon unless you would care to elaborate further.

I'm not sure why this would reflect on the membership to be honest, and of course you won't enlighten me. As I say, this is simply a private matter (albeit one that was carried out in a public place). Sim had the first word, and chose to use it direct foul-mouthed abuse at me. That I cannot help, but I don't feel inclined to let it pass either. He had many opportunities to let the matter rest after a fair exchange of insults, but he chose not to. That also I cannot help.

This has got nothing to do with J16, just two people having a pi$$ing match on a forum. This entire thread is really nothing else, from the very first bizarre post. There is no serious content in it at all, and I am one of the ones that has called for it to be binned. I do feel that I am entitled to defend myself from foul-mouthed abuse by responding in kind - how Jim or other senior members of his forum choose to do it is a matter for them.

I'm not sure who the good ol' boys are - the only ones I remember are from the Blues Brothers.

To be honest, I think it's you that comes across as a little pompous and arrogant, not to mention thoroughly humourless. There's a simple internet spat, two people have a brief ding-dong, each trying to make the other look like a bit of a div. Harmless, everyday stuff. They even do it on a thread that is devoted purely to utter nonsense, so as to not interrupt the forum in general.

You come along, muttering gravely about respect, the reflection on the forum, "things may have changed but when I were a lad..." and all the rest of it.

Do you not think you might be taking things a little too seriously? Perhaps missing the point ever so slightly?

Two guys traded insults on an internet forum. Perhaps they even enjoyed trying to bait each other. It petered out after a while as things tend to do. It's hardly the Decline and Fall of Western Civilisation for flip's sake.

Try lightening up a bit, you'll enjoy life more.

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;-]

james should see mr smith as a mirror :

mr smith called live, open myfxbook account that james never dare to to do ...


james is a coward, a scam artist and anyone who trust him is self-delusion, a illusionist

LOL We can get into it if you're sure that's what you want...(how's that for arrogant? O tempora, O mores!).

I can't believe that you honestly think I'm trying to back out. A simple explanation of the situation, followed by a gentle hint that your po-facedness might legitimately occupy a little more of your attention than my "pomposity". That is all.

Actually, I'm deadly serious. Do NOT f*** with me - I will crush you.

Where did you go fsiltd? I was starting to enjoy myself again.

Come back and fight!

you are brainwashed brother, you have no ability to understand a simplest logic

I fully agree.

Challenge to James16 Group

Professional doctors, teachers prove their skills by passing many examinations, tests … hence they get credit and respect from others … they are deserve to get high salary from society

In financial field, a degree only tells how good an economist is but it says nothing about trader’s ability. When talking about trader’s skill, we must see their bank’s statement or tax audit.

Over a month we (skepticisms) persuaded, insulted, begged…. James16 certainly did not show his bank’s statement with a no reason. He does not answer directly why he refuses to post statement but he tries to steer the conversation into other direction.
Common sense: If you are a loser, do you want to share your statement with others?

James16 and Jacko : read their first 100 pages on their own thread and you can see , always appear like a very knowledge, kindest man, answer any question from anyone with highly details, genuine…. And they are successful; they built a realm with many followers, use their effort to bought faiths from everyone. Two people become a type of person with most successfulness, kindness… in the eyes of everyone in the FF. And I must say back to 2009 if you go to FF and ask who is the most famous thread starter in FF : it is no surprise to hear it’s Jame16 and Jacko

The essential of James and Jacko is 99 percent the same but James is more intelligent than Jacko : he do not offer manage funds . Great decision!!

He know he is a loser and if he manage funds and lose money, his customer will sue him and he will be unmasked , so he only sell instructions, when his customer lose, he said like that’s their mistake , nothing do with him, he said they need to learn more (extent the subscribe time )…

James16 treat his customer like a milk cows and he milks them month by month …while Jacko treat his customers like beef cows , after collect everyone’s money he kill them all then escape

95 percent are loser in the market but half of them when asked said they are winner, it is like 99 % crimes claim they are innocents, so we need proofs and it’s very easy to understand why us (skepticisms) be ware with anyone who self-claim is winner with no proof

I challenge to James16 and any of his worshippers open a live trade threads where he/she will post his/her live trades to the public.

Because I do not believe James is trading live and any of his followers make money from whatsoever James offer in his paid service.
How to win, here is the rules

+) you open a thread where you will post your live entries in the public immediately after you are in. The maximum delay to post in the public is 10 second after you entry. Everyone base on the time you post to compare to their chart so there will be no tricks or magic here. For example you long euro/usd then post in the thread: “long EU, stop X pips”. I do not need charts, analyze or anything, I’m guarantee it will not take you more than 5 second

+) If you got one trade is running, you are not allowed to call other trade unless the previous trade is locked at break even.

+) Do at least 100 trades. Trade anything you like: s&p, commodity, forex….

+) Max risk per trade is 5 percent

+) Double account

That’s it and you’re a winner.

Here are rewards after you conquer the task

1) I will get down on my knee give you a deeply, genuine apologize to you and your family. Immediately delete this thread. I will help you promote your service with my friends, give you more potential customers

2) Many ones here want to enroll your class but they do not have 129 dollar a month. And because you always said helping people is your priority so here is a good chance: you post your live trades, they will follow and make money from your call. Then they use that money to enroll your class. And I think that’s the biggest reward for you?? you helped a lot of people as you wished with a minimum effort (It takes you 5 second to post a live entry, 100 trades : 500 second or 10 minutes)

Analyze the market after it moved is the job of historian, journalist…. Not a trader, anyone could do it. And you are not a good teacher neither; how on earth has a teacher that unable to do math but could teach math to his students?

If you repel my challenge then:

1) You are a hypocrite , you absolutely do not want to see others make money although it only takes you 5 second to help them.

2) Or else you are a scammer, a loser. Definitely you are unable to trade

There is no other sort of character on you James16…. You choose it, to be a scammer, loser or a hypocrite. It’s up to you

Hi Onlydragon,

Congratulation for your release from suspension.

cheers,

kk

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Hi onlydragon,

Can you be nice to him and stop challenging him? I am worrying that his possibly only income will be jeopardized if you continue.

cheers,

I really dont see whats so difficult about publishing an investor password for a metatrader account ?

I trade through a company and my accounts are a matter of public record, I certainly dont see why someone who's charging for mentoring should be exempt from the same scrutiny.

FFS who the hell actually needs to charge people for this garbage ?

Hi Razzle,

At the risk of bringing the human race into disrepute (for which I have apparently been appointed spokesperson and representative), I understand your questions, but I think that there is a degree of confusion here.

It is not necessary for someone to be able to do something successfully in order to teach it. This ties in with your point about "charging for this garbage", by which I presume you mean the simple PA methods Jim teaches.

It is true that the vast majority of the methods are fairly readily available on the internet, albeit in a scattered form and with unwelcome additions and omissions. The private forum presents them in a much more manageable and practical way.

That though in my opinion is somewhat by the by. As I'm sure you will agree, success in trading is perhaps 10% (or even less) to do with one's "method", and the real value of the PF lies in the assistance it provides in other areas. It also has great benefit in being a closed area that people have to pay to join - this tends to create an atmosphere that is both more serious and more co-operative than that found in an open and public forum.

The oft-repeated refrain that "Pin bars are all over t'internet" is therefore one which fails to grasp the vitals of the topic.

It follows from my point above that the inability to trade oneself does not prevent one from being able to teach others how to trade. A person might have a perfect grasp of the necessities but lack the essential qualities (patience and discipline) to put these into effect himself.

I am of the opinion that Jim does trade successfully, but of course I do not positively know this. However, it is wholly irrelevant to me, as he will not be trading my account. I am therefore solely concerned with the quality of the content of, and the support provided by, the private forum.

There have been calls for statements and live trades as "proof" of something. What these would prove, in these days of easy forgery, I am not sure. Nevertheless, in my case members of the PF can see all of my trades posted and managed live (with the exception of the first few, which were mostly execrable in any case).

The result of these (which are traded in a live account) has been an increase of just over 15% in the two months since I have gone live. Pace the forumwiseacres, for whom anything less than 100% per month is an insult, this result is distinctly oojah cum spiff for an inexperienced (less than two years) trader tackling a new market (YM) for the first time.

Two months of profit does not a Livermore make of course - I freely acknowledge that it is my own fault that I did not begin sooner and thereby have more results to share with you. Sadly, this short period is all I possess.

If there are any PF members that you trust, you will be able to seek verification of these results from them, and I fear that little else will be forthcoming in the way of proofs. I very much doubt that Jim will be publishing accounts in the wake of the barrage of abuse that he has received - I certainly would be disinclined to do so, much as I enjoy the cut and thrust of ill-informed ranting back and forth - but also I cannot think what people would expect to glean from such accounts were he to do so.

With the new laws in the USA you will not be able to solicite any funds from anyone unless you are a registered CTA. Basically the forex market in the United States is about to get nasty.

Leverage is changing to 50/1 and all US citizens must move their over seas accounts back to the USA.

Its stupid and the Government is trying to control everything in our lives, but those are gonna be the rules.

We're nearing the 1,000 post mark. What has this thread actually achieved?

Despite all of the efforts of his critics, Jim's made it perfectly clear that he won't be posting account statements. Hence anybody who wants to take their education beyond the free thread must do so on faith, and at the cost of $129. The thread has changed nothing.

Meanwhile, a few of Jim's students continue to post their success stories here, and are unlikely to cancel their membership as long as they believe they're getting value for money. J16's critics have not contested their claims of profit.

Without hard evidence, nobody can prove that J16 is a profitable trader, and nobody can prove that he's not. All of the claims against him here remain unsubstantiated. In this regard, an impasse was always the only possible outcome.

The real proof lies within the material in the free thread, that's if anybody wants to go to the trouble of discovering for themselves the extent, if any, to which the setups provide a directional or behavioral bias.

Apparently the efforts of the critics have been counter-productive.

There's one thing that I don't fully understand: why so many of the arrows are being fired at J16, when there are plenty of other commercial threads here, some of which are clearly VERY dubious. I expect that it's because it's widely known that his private forum is a success, which for some of his opponents has become a personal obsession. However, the real question should not be whether an entrepreneur is deserving of the extent of his wealth (for example, is Windows really several million times better than the next best PC-based OS?), but whether or not a product or service offers value for money, by delivering on its promises to the consumer. If J16's students believe that they are benefiting from the private forum, then Jim is fulfilling his obligation, regardless of how much money he makes from his own trading.

It's an ongoing Testament to...

Oh never mind.