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Quoting supremeChaos
it's the best that u/we can do for all, Sir.
Its just a statement of fact.

Posts at FF are a fascinating insight into how dumb money behaves. Its useful to understand how the herd reacts, but I do occassionally feel a little guilty.

There are a small minority here who are attempting to protect the weak against paying for inferior educational materials that dont work, and an even smaller minority who share genuinely useful material. The reason that more people dont help is that they see the mob attacking the minority who do attempt to assist.

The problem is that people of less than average intelligence (and thats half of the worlds population) require materials to be presented to them in a simpe easy to understand format. That being the case, marketers will always have a steady suppy of fresh meat. We have the ridiculous situation of J16 members who admit that they are unable to trade profitably with the material presented, actually praising the quality of the education recieved. Until such time that they understand the strengths and weaknesses of the material they are not actually in a position to express a valid opinion. If that isnt stupidity, I really dont know what is.
Quoting Razzle
Its just a statement of fact.

Posts at FF are a fascinating insight into how dumb money behaves. Its useful to understand how the herd reacts, but I do occassionally feel a little guilty.

There are a small minority here who are attempting to protect the weak against paying for inferior educational materials that dont work, and an even smaller minority who share genuinely useful material. The reason that more people dont help is that they see the mob attacking the minority who do attempt to assist.

The problem is that people of less than average...
True Razzle

FACT is FACT : whatever people said

JAMES was a member 5 years long with over 2500 posts but had never posted one live entry in the FF forum or in his private site.

That's raise a common , simple, no-brainer question that everyone has brain should ask : " IS JAMES A TRADER?"
Resisting the urge to get sucked in. So will just say a last couple things, then that's me.
Firstly
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...marketers will always have a steady suppy of fresh meat.
This is a red meat business ;-]

Secondly, and this may be just me sticking my @$$hole out, but I think this is where a lot of the, shall we call it 'misunderstanding' of each other comes in.
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We have the ridiculous situation of J16 members who admit that they are unable to trade profitably with the material presented, actually praising the quality of the education recieved.
To me, the highlighted parts are two separate things all together.
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Until such time that they understand the strengths and weaknesses of the material they are not actually in a position to express a valid opinion.
About the material, not the education received, right?

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If that isnt stupidity, I really dont know what is.
We should talk more, I have a lot of personal experience...I could probably enlighten you ;-D

Outta here.
Carpe Divitiae
Quoting hanover
For whatever my opinion's worth, I saw merit in some of your earlier posts. I don't dispute J16's lack of direct transparency; the fact that charts are posted in hindsight; and also (TraderKGB's comment) that Jim's frequent...
hanover

First and foremost , why james never ever call live even one time? he fear losing credibility in everyone's eyes?

"So the best way to not tumble down is never walk , but only crawl? ; the best way to make money in forex is teaching, not trading? "
Ok you win fx000, james is scam, can we stop the thread now.

Both sides have cleary stated there arguements, and the same thing is being said over and over again, we arent' getting anywhere. Lets move on, fx000 , maybe you can suggest where peopel should go to learn.

One thing for closing, guby and other j16 haters, clearly have stated they think his material stinks, saying it's basic s/r etc.

Now, if james did post his statement, proving that he is indeed successful, what then, do you guys suddenly say, oh
I was wrong, his material is good now.

You've probably checked out his thread a bit, so you know what he teaches, either what he teaches is crap or it's not,
so what do you guys say if james posted a positive statement.

The above situation just shows how ridiculous this all is.

Sorry about the rant, i truly would luv this thread to stop, every one put in there closing arguements, and lets let this thing die.
Mr Smith, I second your motion.
Hej.
Quoting Mr Smith
Ok you win fx000, james is scam, can we stop the thread now.

Both sides have cleary stated there arguements, and the same thing is being said over and over again, we arent' getting anywhere. Lets move on, fx000 , maybe you can suggest where peopel should go to learn.

One thing for closing, guby and other j16 haters, clearly have stated they think his material stinks, saying it's basic s/r etc.

Now, if james did post his statement, proving that he is indeed successful, what then, do you guys suddenly say, oh
I was wrong, his material is good...
you made a live journey and you did see how easy it is ...

i just don't understand why you still support him although you are member from 2005 mean you are nearly his first students...

After 5 years and you still lose money .... why you defend the one like this?? probably 1500 dollars to be member is not a big money but 5 years sir... you wasted 5 years to learn from someone and eventually you are still a loser ...

5 years to research pin bar or whatever james offer and you still not able to get it.... when do u think you will get it? Another 10 , 20 years from now??

Why dont' save your time by simple demand james's live call...

- if he win then his method is right you just need more time to do more research

-if he lose or ignore your question then his system is whipsaw. Save your time, get out of here, look for other mentor ....

Do you have family? how many times you leave your family alone to spent time with forex?

Try to image my friend.... James fooled you 5 years is too enough... don't let him laugh at you anymore
props to smith for trying though, most pro active outta all us!
Quoting Fx000
you made a live journey and you did see how easy it is ...

i just don't understand why you still support him although you are member from 2005 mean you are nearly his first students...

After 5 years and you still lose money .... why you defend the one like this?? probably 1500 dollars to be member is not a big money but 5 years sir... you wasted 5 years to learn from someone and eventually you are still a loser ...

5 years to research pin bar or whatever james offer and you still not able to get it.... when do u think you will get it? Another...
All i can say is, come back to my thread in a year or two. I'm up 4.5 % so far in that thread, after a year or 2 who knows how high it will be.

Your saying I'm losing when I'm winning, and btw, sometimes i have losing months, but overall I am doing very well, anyway, time will show you.
Quoting Mr Smith
All i can say is, come back to my thread in a year or two. I'm up 4.5 % so far in that thread, after a year or 2 who knows how high it will be.
yeah but prove it though
Quoting Mr Smith
All i can say is, come back to my thread in a year or two. I'm up 4.5 % so far in that thread, after a year or 2 who knows how high it will be.

Your saying I'm losing when I'm winning, and btw, sometimes i have losing months, but overall I am doing very well, anyway, time will show you.
nobody can verify whether you are up or down now, after just 2 weeks, as the calls and record keeping are too convoluted...if it cannot be verified now...how is anyone going to know what is going on in 1 year or 2, where they would have to go back 100s of trades, not a few?
% of what amount?...now you bring in calls from another account that you say don't count...it's a mess buddy.

Example,if you loss 50% of 100K, you have 50K, if then you make 100% trade gain from 50k, you are at ZERO profit, not 50% profit in the account. You cannot add and subtract %s b/c the base changes. http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=127
Quoting wwwin
nobody can verify whether you are up or down now, after just 2 weeks, as the calls are too convoluted...if it cannot be verified now...how is anyone going to know what is going on in 1 year or 2?
he's just attempting to delay the same argument he's claiming he's refuting

when it boils down to it, he's no different to anyone assuming credibility without cold hard facts, i.e. what this whole thread and argument was based on

dunno what you gotta say to him that what he's currently doing is what scammers such as wisdomfx are doing, screenshot of entry means nothing without proof of how you managed it thereafter. and there's nothing more easier or trustworthy than an ongoing record/portfolio. without that, zero difference from the focal character here

and what worries me more is that he says 'if i win or lose now it doesn't matter, in 1-2 years I will be on top'... essentially if nothing matters until then, why try and prove shit during the process. if anything, save your effort, post your last 1 year statement to prove the EXACT same point

just so many holes in logic that we see everywhere when people wanna call themselves traders and piss against the wind at the same time
Just for you guys, I'll do this.

I have recently started a few new accounts.

I shall make public on myfxbook one of them, after a year I'll post my statement if people think that I some how cheated on myfxbook.

In my thread, I will post setups, but not state how much I'm risking on each one, people can read myfxbook for details on rr, I'll post entry and stop and a chart sometimes with explanation of setup.

I'm going to start it all clean and fresh from this point on.

Starting Sunday.

At this point, I'm merely doing this to prove that I indeed do trade successfully.

And I'll leave it at that, i'll never post in here again, I hope!

Oh, i'll post one more time in here with my fxbook link. And I will post it this time.
Quoting wwwin
nobody can verify whether you are up or down now, after just 2 weeks, as the calls and record keeping are too convoluted...
I think Smith is already done very well in the attempt to move forward to prove himself with some evidence (at least)... much better than any person who never post live trades or statements while boasting of how profitable they can trade.
The thread looks like it is now coming to the end of very strong trend. Two days and no posting.. Interesting!!
Quoting The Lord
The thread looks like it is now coming to the end of very strong trend. Two days and no posting.. Interesting!!
Who knows? Perhaps, J16 suddenly returns and things get hot once again.
Quoting kk007
Who knows? Perhaps, J16 suddenly returns and things get hot once again.
dunno about you lot but I was still waiting for his live trades ?? gathered he'd showed some at BE already and soon after he would display some live ones
Quoting The Lord
The thread looks like it is now coming to the end of very strong trend. Two days and no posting.. Interesting!!
Just a quick report from the Private Forum. I've been there over a year and I've never seen so many new faces popping up.

Keep it up J16 haters! We grow strong on your bile!

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/010haters.jpg
Oh. Now I understand why J16 come back here from time to time. So good a news! I think onlydargon need to return to keep this thread alive!

Quoting Albatross
Just a quick report from the Private Forum. I've been there over a year and I've never seen so many new faces popping up.

Keep it up J16 haters! We grow strong on your bile!

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/010haters.jpg
Quoting kk007
Oh. Now I understand why J16 come back here from time to time. So good a news! I think onlydargon need to return to keep this thread alive!
He doesn't come back here. I do, but mainly to post pictures such as this one:

http://oi44.tinypic.com/20j04fq.jpg
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