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  • #4,201
  • Sep 18, 2010 11:55pm Sep 18, 2010 11:55pm
Quoting foxybunny
What is a good size to start with for FX Futures ?
stick to spot . The liquidity in spot fx is way higher than futures. Futures has a volume of only 320000 per day and this is truevol

typical futures contracts are 12.5 per pip eu , 6. 5 per point gu . Some brokers do offer mini futures for fx but the volumes and liquidity on those are very low
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  • #4,202
  • Sep 19, 2010 4:39am Sep 19, 2010 4:39am
Quoting HiddenGap
Or I could just stop posting. I am not here for ego or to be a free signal service.

Free signal service is probably what he wants, don`t stop posting HG.
Seek not to change the world; seek only to change your mind about the world
  • #4,203
  • Edited 5:05am Sep 19, 2010 4:45am | Edited 5:05am
Hello evrey one
i made a comparision for volume feed from various brokers and i found big differrence among them , then i compared them with esignal chart ( posted by Malcolm ) , i found 3 brokers feed are the closest to e-signal
1- Gain capital (Closest)
2-Fxcm
3-IBFX
(comparision was done with euro/usd )

i hope some one do a favor and post a comparision between sierra chart and e-signal
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  • #4,204
  • Sep 19, 2010 5:09am Sep 19, 2010 5:09am
Quoting gez40
Free signal service is probably what he wants, don`t stop posting HG.

I saw him appropriately 'reprimanded' very recently for exactly what he is incorrectly pointing out. LOL

People are funny...
  • #4,205
  • Edited 1:37pm Sep 19, 2010 5:20am | Edited 1:37pm
Quoting HiddenGap
Or I could just stop posting. I am not here for ego or to be a free signal service.

Hi HG,

your posts are of the highest educational value. Clear, concise, ingenious and always relevant. Worthy of being included in a textbook on the subject

It is obvious that they do neither constitute "trading advice", nor describe your own trading in detail. That is not what they are meant to be. What they do is delineating and elaborating on the theoretical underpinnings of volume-spread-related analysis.

So, please, keep it on.


Regards,

Wolfgang
  • #4,206
  • Sep 19, 2010 7:08am Sep 19, 2010 7:08am
Quoting HiddenGap
Or I could just stop posting. I am not here for ego or to be a free signal service.
LOL,man i just gave you advice as you can see on my post ADVICE.I am not telling you to be signal service or sometnig like that.You musnt post where is your sl and tp but post your opinion and your view in current situation.I saw in many your posts you explain when everything finish,again its easy to discus when you see finish,that is why i gave you my advice you can accept or not.
Malcomb post good becouse he mix chats,he post when see finish line and he also post current situation that is best for me...

Cheers

Petar
"Buy on fear, sell on greed !!!
  • #4,207
  • Sep 19, 2010 7:24am Sep 19, 2010 7:24am
Quoting Sonofsin5
Quoting disegnosys
Thanks for the information on eSignal. So far I have only been trading FX spot/cash market for the past three years and doing ok (1% to 5% a day).

Are you saying then FX futures is a better market to trade in terms of true volume, pa, order fills, brokers not trading against you, and better profitablity?

Best Wishes
Absolutely; although your leverage in Forex is better, FX futures is a way better market. I apply what I see on my FX futures charts to Forex and at time trade off them instead of a Forex chart. Futures are regulated and Forex is not, that makes a major difference and one worth looking into if your account size is large enough.
I think you're both talking about diferent things, correct me if I'm wrong:
- Sonofsin5 is saying he uses FX Futures' volume (charts) to trade the spot forex;
- disegnosys understood that Sonofsin5 actually trades the Futures instead of the spot, and asks if it's better to trade the futures instead of the spot.
  • #4,208
  • Sep 19, 2010 8:16am Sep 19, 2010 8:16am
Does anyone know a rough % discrepancy between say an Alpari MT4 demo account tick feed and eSig?

VSA studies only require an indication of activity, so is the additional accuracy really worth the subscription fees?

For Spot FX...
  • #4,209
  • Sep 19, 2010 8:34am Sep 19, 2010 8:34am
Quoting FibbinArchie
Does anyone know a rough % discrepancy between say an Alpari MT4 demo account tick feed and eSig?

VSA studies only require an indication of activity, so is the additional accuracy really worth the subscription fees?

For Spot FX...
The way I see it is that volume differences are minimal and usually don't have any impact on VSA. Volume spikes (mistakes) are easy to see if you have another volume provider. Spikes just stand out too much.
  • #4,210
  • Sep 19, 2010 8:37am Sep 19, 2010 8:37am
Get IBFX real accoutn, not sure how much is minimum deposit - maybe 10 or 20 usd.. maybe 1 usd for mini account, and You will get real data feed , which i found mainly the same as esignal. If there is some small difference sometimes, i havent seen in last year that this difference should change my view for market in that time..

So, i found IBFX very good for me.

Best,
Tom



Quoting FibbinArchie
Does anyone know a rough % discrepancy between say an Alpari MT4 demo account tick feed and eSig?

VSA studies only require an indication of activity, so is the additional accuracy really worth the subscription fees?

For Spot FX...
  • #4,211
  • Sep 19, 2010 9:38am Sep 19, 2010 9:38am
Petar

you are treading on thin ice when posting this bs .

Hidden gaps posts have been a brilliant leArning tool for everyone . I value his posts in this thread over yours to be honest as your posts have nothing to do with vsa . I also enjoy reading your posts as it brings another trading style to the thread and everyone should feel free to post.

when I have made simple comments on your posts thatmay havesaved your stop you just respond with what sometimes seems rudeness but I just put it down to your English being poor. So if you make me choose by making posts that attack others ,I will have to ask you to stop posting on this thread .

I started this thread to prevent this bs and will react to it if you continue with it.

I to have posted trades after the fact . Understand this is a thread for learning not a place for trade cAlls .

Hidden gAp I Am sorry this guy posted with the upmost rudeness on what I thought was a brilliant post . If this ever happens again I will deal with it but in the interest of fairness will give him one strike , two strikeshe is out. Please continue posting .



Quoting Petar_Serbia
LOL,man i just gave you advice as you can see on my post ADVICE.I am not telling you to be signal service or sometnig like that.You musnt post where is your sl and tp but post your opinion and your view in current situation.I saw in many your posts you explain when everything finish,again its easy to discus when you see finish,that is why i gave you my advice you can accept or not.
Malcomb post good becouse he mix chats,he post when see finish line and he also post current situation that is best for me...

Cheers

Petar
Blogging daily now at www.volume.zone
  • #4,212
  • Sep 19, 2010 9:44am Sep 19, 2010 9:44am
ibfx and fxcm get their volume feeds from major banks . Ibfx I think is 7 of them . Both of these volume feeds work in fx for vsa purposes.

Quoting tfflyer
Get IBFX real accoutn, not sure how much is minimum deposit - maybe 10 or 20 usd.. maybe 1 usd for mini account, and You will get real data feed , which i found mainly the same as esignal. If there is some small difference sometimes, i havent seen in last year that this difference should change my view for market in that time..

So, i found IBFX very good for me.

Best,
Tom
Blogging daily now at www.volume.zone
  • #4,213
  • Edited Sep 20, 2010 8:25am Sep 19, 2010 10:03am | Edited Sep 20, 2010 8:25am
Hi all,

How are you doing in the weekend? I took time to update my previous two indicators, volume monitor and hma monitor. Now they can display gracefully at corner 0 and 1. For new coming users of them, please make sure "AllAverages_v2.1 cc.ex4" and "BetterVolume 1.4.ex4" are in your indicator folder.

cheers,
polomine
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  • #4,214
  • Sep 19, 2010 10:12am Sep 19, 2010 10:12am
Mal,

would like to hear your views for the markets next week.
  • #4,215
  • Sep 19, 2010 10:24am Sep 19, 2010 10:24am
Quoting tonirai
I think you're both talking about diferent things, correct me if I'm wrong:
- Sonofsin5 is saying he uses FX Futures' volume (charts) to trade the spot forex;
- disegnosys understood that Sonofsin5 actually trades the Futures instead of the spot, and asks if it's better to trade the futures instead of the spot.

You are correct that is what I meant, I trade Forex but use the FX futures volume on the correlating pair to see my charting data.

The only futures contract i would and have traded is the ES mini.
  • #4,216
  • Sep 19, 2010 12:48pm Sep 19, 2010 12:48pm
Hey guys,

I got onto vsa just recently, and have read through master the markets and I'm now re reading whilst working my way through this thread. Im just wondering if Malcolm or any of you guys have a designated chatroom for VSA??
  • #4,217
  • Sep 19, 2010 3:20pm Sep 19, 2010 3:20pm
Quoting polomine
Hi all,

How are you doing in the weekend? I took time to update my previous two indicators, volume monitor and hma monitor. Now they can display gracefully at corner 0 and 1. For new coming users of them, please make sure "AllAverages_v2.1 cc.ex4" and "BetterVolume 1.4.ex4" are in your indicator folder.

cheers,
polomine

Hello Polomine

Thanks a lot for such a effort and such usefull indis

Please tell

X stands for...traend change?

What are those sperates DD or UU...few places from the rest

Sorry had no opprytnity to see this in the action

Might be a stupid question tough

All the best
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  • #4,218
  • Sep 19, 2010 3:33pm Sep 19, 2010 3:33pm
Inserted Video


Guys move this from lets say 6 min and 35 sec and watch it

Look what he is calling no demand bar

Hm...

Realy a bit confusing

Look how TG marked that bar(that is written in the right down part of the window)

Up, VHigh volume , wide, closed on the low

Only true is that bar has a pink volume...wich is volume less than 2 previus bars

But is it enough?!
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  • #4,219
  • Sep 19, 2010 3:53pm Sep 19, 2010 3:53pm
Guys and HG

Please tell me

I would like to learn to mark those supply demand zones as Mr Hidden Gap doing it

To be able to see what i am looking for after such a moves

In my mind ultra high volume ultra wide bar is alwayes sellers but that is not the case...

Sometimes we have a litle pause and then contination of the up move

How i can see that

Look now here
We have such a 2 bars, ultra wide ultra high volume ..

Where i would look now for a test or for a no deamnd bar

In wich part?

After that second up ultra wide ultra high volume bar?

Look on the volume of the down bars..We are going down a no volume?

No?

Why this could not just be that pause in uptrend...Some sellers?

Why it could not be as the case from my next chart?

Chart where we did continue up move
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  • #4,220
  • Sep 19, 2010 4:03pm Sep 19, 2010 4:03pm
This is it

I dont know if somebody can understand me

Main problem is in wich area i am looking for test and in wich for no demands , uptrusts

Ok, uptrusts and no demands might be on the top and that is ok

But test and mark that we are still going up?

What is we have now ultra high volume down bar...what is than valid and where i should watch for no demands uptrusts tests....

I have that HGs PDF document and even if it is perfect i still cannot manage to understand some things




This is nice post as well

Mal did it

I have not really thought of what i look for as I open the charts but lets try and break down some ways and means that might help you

In vsa for trends to change there are typically three major set ups that one could look for.

for uptrend ending

1) No demand bar .
2) UPthrust with very high volume
3) Buying climax ..very wide spread bar on high volume.

for down trend ending:
1) climatic action , a down bar on ultra high volume closing on lows
2) shake outs
3) test

But ok

In wich area and what is enough to happen to change that picture even if we have lets say 2 of those 3 neccesery things for trend change?!

All the best

Hope i did not confused some of the guys

Based on that i asked about that mutliply TF tradeing

15 min weekens and now we switch to 5 min and maybe 3 but where and wich area might be true for it to see on test over 3 min that we are continuing up
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