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  • #61
  • Sep 17, 2010 2:17am Sep 17, 2010 2:17am
Quoting wwwin
These are meaningless numbers that they are throwing at you to get you to join the follow the "Trade Leader Investment Progam". For somebody that prides himself on true metrics and transparency, this type of reporting is a travesty. Let's see how many noobs they can convince into paying them money while realistically having a very very little chance of making money in the long run.
Asaf,

I totally agree with wwwin on this point. The numbers on Currensee are quite misleading. I remembered having a heated discussion with Brian Glantz, VP of Business Development on this issue. Many people will lose their money due to these misleading numbers.

I am a trade leader on Currensee, and I am only promoting 35% ROI per annum, whereas the numbers are showing 200% to 1,300% on my trading results.
  • #62
  • Sep 17, 2010 2:35am Sep 17, 2010 2:35am
Cloggie, Billflet, Hilmy83, Razzle, Rednose, CindyXXXX & Wwwin

Given that I am a commercial member, can you give me some pointers on how I can improve the transparencies of my five trading systems? Remember to go easy on me...

Presently, I have uploaded my software so that you can see my five trading systems in real time. Below is my thread.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...=244834&page=5
  • #63
  • Sep 17, 2010 8:03am Sep 17, 2010 8:03am
Quoting winsor
Asaf,

I totally agree with wwwin on this point. The numbers on Currensee are quite misleading. I remembered having a heated discussion with Brian Glantz, VP of Business Development on this issue. Many people will lose their money due to these misleading numbers.

I am a trade leader on Currensee, and I am only promoting 35% ROI per annum, whereas the numbers are showing 200% to 1,300% on my trading results.
Winsor,

The numbers are not meant to mislead but to create a unified presentation to all the trade Leaders. I can see how this may be perceived as misleading and we're going to add more metrics and change some of the ones we currently show.

As for you specifically - Your performance on the G account, which is the only account we allow people to invest in at the moment, has about 5 months of performance and has 67% return in it so we aggregate it up to a one year projected performance of 280% - I personally wish you hadn't made this much, even though I currently make money following you, and was more along the goals of 35% per year which should have put you about 10% in 5 months. From talking to investor showing them 67% in 5 month is just as unbelievable as showing them 280% a year and none of them though of this as misleading as these are the metrics people are used to see.

We have some trade leader that trade for more than a year, like Daniel Levy and in his case we aggregate the performance down to what he would have made in a year.

Which metrics would you think would be more transparent to investors?

-- Asaf.
  • #64
  • Sep 17, 2010 9:33am Sep 17, 2010 9:33am
Very interesting, we now have Assaf and winsor having a discussion about currensee on this thread, on the winsor thread, on the currensee thread, and who knows how many more...pretty soon this Assaf is going to start posting in every freaking thread in the commercial side, and if he could, in the main site too, and inviting other currensee buddies in to post.
Maybe FF eventually will be named Currensee Factory intstead of Forex Factory. This guy just shows up anywhere he can to promote this C...ee.
I propose that any thread starter ban this guy from showing up to create controversy on their threads, this is what he wants, controversy and exposure.
  • #65
  • Sep 17, 2010 10:56am Sep 17, 2010 10:56am
Quoting wwwin
Very interesting, we now have Assaf and winsor having a discussion about currensee on this thread, on the winsor thread, on the currensee thread, and who knows how many more...pretty soon this Assaf is going to start posting in every freaking thread in the commercial side, and if he could, in the main site too, and inviting other currensee buddies in to post.
Maybe FF eventually will be named Currensee Factory intstead of Forex Factory. This guy just shows up anywhere he can to promote this C...ee.
I propose that any thread starter ban this guy...
That's okay. The more posts Asaf makes like this, the more "transparent" he becomes.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...5&postcount=63
  • #66
  • Sep 17, 2010 1:35pm Sep 17, 2010 1:35pm
Quoting winsor
Cloggie, Billflet, Hilmy83, Razzle, Rednose, CindyXXXX & Wwwin

Given that I am a commercial member, can you give me some pointers on how I can improve the transparencies of my five trading systems? Remember to go easy on me...

Presently, I have uploaded my software so that you can see my five trading systems in real time. Below is my thread.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...=244834&page=5
I've read some of your thread and it appears to me that you're making a vigorous attempt to show your results truthfully. I've no real reason to doubt them. I haven't read the whole thread yet.
I can't trust Currensee for reasons of my own. Your post explaining the inflated return figures only strengthens my mistrust. Asaf has made accusations of being bullied here before under a different username. He could be a scammer who has been banned, a moron, a troll, or a wonderful person. His prior posts would reveal which, but he refuses to tell us who he was before. The theme of his business is transparency but he refuses to apply transparency to himself. If he was a decent member before he shouldn't be so reluctant to tell the truth. He is in no danger of being ousted for multiple usernames, as he's already stated he was here under another name and FF is aware of it and has allowed him to stay. This a partial cause for mistrust of the Comm Forum--the fact that people can be banned under one name and return under another, sometimes even boasting of it, but still be allowed to peddle rubbish here, and with FF's approval.
I appreciate the fact that you were willing to share your real results as opposed to Currensee's interpretation. Asaf could learn from folks like you.
  • #67
  • Sep 17, 2010 2:30pm Sep 17, 2010 2:30pm
Quoting winsor
Cloggie, Billflet, Hilmy83, Razzle, Rednose, CindyXXXX & Wwwin

Given that I am a commercial member, can you give me some pointers on how I can improve the transparencies of my five trading systems? Remember to go easy on me...

Presently, I have uploaded my software so that you can see my five trading systems in real time. Below is my thread.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...=244834&page=5
Winsor,

Everyone has the right to put itīs own money in other people hands...(Good Luck with that beginners).... I checked your website and it looks ok, your thread shows your effort to acquire new clients which is your goal as a Commercial member.

The point is "how" a Commercial member does it. In your case I have found no confusing information you show what you got and itīs up to the consumer to buy your service or not. Till the present moment I havenīt heard or read nothing negative about it.

In case Currensee represented here by this guy Asafyigal thereīs alot of misleading, confusing, slippery and stinky stuff coming from him who is a guy who claims "transparency"..got the point?

Well, thatīs business there are always idiots out there to be fooled and there will always people like some of us here at FF that will be a pain in the a..ss every time someone come here trying to pi.. in our soup.
  • #68
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:05pm Sep 17, 2010 3:05pm
Quoting Rednose
Winsor,

Everyone has the right to put itīs own money in other people hands...(Good Luck with that beginners).... I checked your website and it looks ok, your thread shows your effort...
I am sure Winsor can attest to the relationship he has with currensee and can validate that we are nothing like any of you claim we are.

I've answered all of your questions so far regarding Currensee and even the due diligence that wwwin did when talking to the brokers we have relationship with didn't surf up any fraud or misleading information that we present.

The only thing I did is communicate do you in the same disrespect that you communicated to me and others - nothing more than that.

-- Asaf.
  • #69
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:14pm Sep 17, 2010 3:14pm
Well Winsor the reason that nobody has bothered you is because you seem to be doing things the right way so far. I conquer with Billflet and Rednose on their assessment.
I don't see you twisting words to make your product appear better or being endorsed by someone. I don't see you attacking your competitors all over the commercial threads. I don't see you claiming that your EAs are the best in the history of the world. You are letting the product speak for itself by allowing a test drive. As far as I know, you were not here before under an different name trying to peddle something and being banned for it.
I wish some of these self-promoting clowns would learn from you that if they do things the right way then they won't be harrassed.
  • #70
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:21pm Sep 17, 2010 3:21pm
Quoting asafyigal
I am sure Winsor can attest to the relationship he has with currensee and can validate that we are nothing like any of you claim we are.

I've answered all of your questions so far regarding Currensee and even the due diligence that wwwin did when talking to the brokers we have relationship with didn't surf up any fraud or misleading information that we present.

The only thing I did is communicate do you in the same disrespect that you communicated to me and others - nothing more than that.

-- Asaf.
See Winsor, this is the problem with this clown. I never did any due diligence and I never posted such a thing. I will repeat, all I did and post was say that "I contacted MBtrading and they told me that they did have a relationship with currensee and that so far they had not heard anything bad about them".

I never posted that I had done any DD or that I had contacted more than one broker. THIS GUY IS A LIER AND THE WORST PART IS THAT HE DOES NOT LEARN. HE MUST BE A MASOCHIST.
  • #71
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:28pm Sep 17, 2010 3:28pm
wwwin - you just said that you did call up a broker and asked about us - and they told you we are legit and no one have ever complained.

And from this you assume that we are cheating people - explain to me the logic.

-- Asaf.
  • #72
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:30pm Sep 17, 2010 3:30pm
Quoting asafyigal
wwwin - you just said that you did call up a broker and asked about us - and they told you we are legit and no one have ever complained.

And from this you assume that we are cheating people - explain to me the logic.

-- Asaf.
No that is not what I said, I never said that they told me you were legit. Learn to read. I said I contacted ONE BROKER NOT BROKERS IN PLURAL. I SAID WHAT I SAID AND EVERYONE CAN READ IT. Stop twisting what I said to suit your needs. This stupidity of yours goes back to July, read this
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...8&postcount=91
  • #73
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:34pm Sep 17, 2010 3:34pm
You never had anyone say anything bad about us, you never had any broker say anything bad about us even though you were too lazy to call more than ONE.


-- Asaf.
  • #74
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:41pm Sep 17, 2010 3:41pm
Quoting asafyigal
You never had anyone say anything bad about us, you never had any broker say anything bad about us even though you were too lazy to call more than ONE.


-- Asaf.
Are these returns for real? They're taken from Winsor's account on your site, but Winsor claims his results are far less spectacular.
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  • #75
  • Sep 17, 2010 3:45pm Sep 17, 2010 3:45pm
Quoting asafyigal
You never had anyone say anything bad about us, you never had any broker say anything bad about us even though you were too lazy to call more than ONE.


-- Asaf.
As I informed you before, I CALLED MY BROKER, and not anyone else. There is no need to call anyone else, YOUR ACTIONS SPEAK VOLUMES ABOUT THIS SILLY TRADING SOCIAL NETWORK. I have seen enough lies to convince me there is no need to check further.
  • #76
  • Edited 3:47pm Sep 17, 2010 3:46pm | Edited 3:47pm
Quoting asafyigal
I am sure Winsor can attest to the relationship he has with currensee and can validate that we are nothing like any of you claim we are.

I've answered all of your questions so far regarding Currensee and even the due diligence that wwwin did when talking to the brokers we have relationship with didn't surf up any fraud or misleading information that we present.

The only thing I did is communicate do you in the same disrespect that you communicated to me and others - nothing more than that.

-- Asaf.
The post is not adressed to you so STFU! You first start clarifying your "journey" here at FF and how many and which other usernames you had,have or whatever. And stop being a bozo if you can, you talking about respect?! Misleading clients, using false names and ignoring people who question your "transparency" so they canīt post at your bs threads that is disrespect boy! What goes around comes around. Told you once tell you again: behave like a bozo be treated like a bozo. "Transparent" enough?
  • #77
  • Sep 17, 2010 4:14pm Sep 17, 2010 4:14pm
Quoting asafyigal
The only thing I did is communicate do you in the same disrespect that you communicated to me and others - nothing more than that.

-- Asaf.
...?...... What are you talking about bozo? I never disrespected no other member but YOU and this because you just donīt deserve to be respected. Remember the "what goes around" part?? Short and simple, maybe this way you are able to understand it.
  • #78
  • Sep 18, 2010 2:35pm Sep 18, 2010 2:35pm
Quoting asafyigal
Winsor,
As for you specifically - Your performance on the G account, which is the only account we allow people to invest in at the moment, has about 5 months of performance and has 67% return in it so we aggregate it up to a one year projected performance of 280% - I personally wish you hadn't made this much, even though I currently make money following you, and was more along the goals of 35% per year which should have put you about 10% in 5 months. From talking to investor showing them 67% in 5 month is just as unbelievable as showing them 280%...
Asaf,

I would very much like to display the five-month performance of 67% instead of the projected 280% currently being displayed. This will help new traders realize the challenges in trading. The metric of pips gain & max pips DD per trading system is a great tool for transparency.

Forex trading is extremely difficult, and it took me six years to be where I am today. Risk and reward go together and there are too many people painting castles in the sky without pointing out the risks associated with forex trading.
  • #79
  • Sep 18, 2010 2:59pm Sep 18, 2010 2:59pm
Quoting billflet
Are these returns for real? They're taken from Winsor's account on your site, but Winsor claims his results are far less spectacular.
billflet,

I have to give it to you and the senior guys on the forum as you guys are very thorough with your homework. Yes, these are my results, but they are projected returns per Asaf's detailed explanation. These numbers must be divided down to show actual results.
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  • #80
  • Sep 21, 2010 8:07am Sep 21, 2010 8:07am
Quoting winsor
Asaf,

I would very much like to display the five-month performance of 67% instead of the projected 280% currently being displayed. This will help new traders realize the challenges in trading. The metric of pips gain & max pips DD per trading system is a great tool for transparency.

Forex trading is extremely difficult, and it took me six years to be where I am today. Risk and reward go together and there are too many people painting castles in the sky without pointing out the risks associated with forex trading.

Winsor - We have to show a unified representation of numbers so it can either be annually, last three months and Month to Date - We have Trade Leaders with different trading time ranging from 5 months to more than a year.

I have to say that I am very surprised that you offer to present a metric in pips as any one who has been in this business for more than a couple of months knows that pips don't really mean anything as people trade different pairs with different position sizes.

There is a very interesting discussion right now on Currensee regarding some of the top trade leaders which he overall lost 700 pips but made 50% return on his account.

-- Asaf.
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