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  • #561
  • Sep 13, 2010 2:23pm Sep 13, 2010 2:23pm
Quoting Razzle
Yet another ignorant fool ..
If I took you serious, my response would be...

"So posting laughing smilies and calling me an 'ignorant fool' makes you intelligent?"

But I don't. You seem full of anger. If I had to guess, you thought trading would be simple, a way to print your own money. You have found this is not the case and you lash out at those who do find success trading.

James never once demands for anyone to pay him a dime. He has helped me for completely free. I have learned more about life in general, not just trading, from James' thread than anything else. I am saying this at 32 years old, with a B.S. degree in MIS.

Even if I never successfully beat the markets trading (and so far this year I am beating the markets, but there are 3 and 1/2 months to go), I still would consider it a success. I have learned so many valuable lessons about hard work, dedication, appreciation, and life in general.

I hope you too find happiness.
  • #562
  • Sep 13, 2010 2:43pm Sep 13, 2010 2:43pm
Quoting unlv_tj
I feel bad for you. Trading can be a nice way to pad your bank account, grow a nice nest egg, and lead to financial freedom.

But you seem to angry and negative. And as long as you are angry and negative you will never be successful in life. I mean, you may one day have lots of money, but with so much anger in your heart, you will be even more unhappy.
That guy trades using the 13 hour 45 minute chart or another arbitrary time frame that only he uses so he can make the candles open and close however he sees fit..He spends his time doing that or insulting people. Enough said http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gif
  • #563
  • Sep 13, 2010 3:41pm Sep 13, 2010 3:41pm
Quoting wwwin
That guy trades using the 13 hour 45 minute chart or another arbitrary time frame that only he uses so he can make the candles open and close however he sees fit..He spends his time doing that or insulting people. Enough said http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gif
Another ignorant fool who seams to struggle with basic comprehension ?

learning to read might just help.
  • #564
  • Sep 13, 2010 4:09pm Sep 13, 2010 4:09pm
I feel bad for you two. You are not successful at trading, so no one else can be successful either.

Oh well, have fun coming to the realization that life is too short to be angry and jealous.
  • #565
  • Sep 13, 2010 4:21pm Sep 13, 2010 4:21pm
Quoting ghous
You have to understand Tj, not everybody out there looks at trading as a few bunch of the lucky ones do. Most will never get over the fun they have staring 5 min charts all day with a $5000 account scalping the heck out of Euro for 30% a month - don't get me wrong, scalping can be profitable but so can a strategy based on taking a few setups a year that takes less than half an hour a week of your time and can get you up to that 30% - 50% ROI mark. Saying that you will treat it like a business and putting your said words into action are two different...
I don't do either of those things so which category of "non-believer" will you try pidgeon hole me into?
  • #566
  • Sep 13, 2010 4:25pm Sep 13, 2010 4:25pm
Quoting StephanusR
Very possible to fake as Unger is doing at http://www.worldcupadvisor.com/world...ult_nwcc2.aspx by only showing us his two winning accounts out of 100 losing accounts , all real, all on futures.
Very
How? Explain your logic. How can a trade posted for all the world to see at the time it is done be faked? Regardless of how many accounts you have.

It can't so I don't know what your point or the point of that link is.
  • #567
  • Edited 4:52pm Sep 13, 2010 4:30pm | Edited 4:52pm
Quoting traderjai_inhi
Ever think that maybe he charges so that assholes like you stay out here bitching and the people that really want to learn can do so in peace? I bet there is a lot less crying and whining going on in the private forum than there is out here.

Just a thought...
Ok so why not do a free website and only allow assholes like you with vouches or whatever? How does separating you from your money make you less of an obvious asshole than you already are?
  • #568
  • Sep 13, 2010 4:34pm Sep 13, 2010 4:34pm
Quoting unlv_tj
I feel bad for you two. You are not successful at trading, so no one else can be successful either.
On what basis did you reach that conclusion ?

Walk me step by step through the logic.
  • #569
  • Sep 13, 2010 4:43pm Sep 13, 2010 4:43pm
Quoting Razzle
On what basis did you reach that conclusion ?

Walk me step by step through the logic.
Simple, I made easy common sense points, and instead of debating me on those points you tried to turn it into a personal attack.

You have your own life to live, I have mine. If you don't want to follow James16 trading priciples, that is fine by me. You might find more success doing something else. Maybe someday you can open your own website, and teach people, and make it free.

I wish you the best. But you certainly have not swayed me from what I have watched work for others and now myself.
  • #570
  • Edited Sep 14, 2010 1:09am Sep 13, 2010 4:50pm | Edited Sep 14, 2010 1:09am
Quoting pip_daddy
Ok so why not do a free website and only allow assholes like you with vouches?

So whyd you edit it? Ohhh because he HAS done it for free and you are proven wrong once again....

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=2331


*How many times can you change your post AFTER the fact? We are on what, edit #4 now? oh well, on the iggy list for this dbag. Suddenly it is a lot quieter around here...
  • #571
  • Sep 13, 2010 4:54pm Sep 13, 2010 4:54pm
Quoting traderjai_inhi
So whyd you edit it? Ohhh because he HAS done it for free and you are proven wrong once again....

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=2331
How does paying for his service make you less of an asshole? What are you trying to hide by avoiding the question? You have apparently found a cure for assholes on the internet. Just charge money for a website. However, judging by your posts I am (once again) skeptical of that claim.
  • #572
  • Edited 5:34pm Sep 13, 2010 5:23pm | Edited 5:34pm
Quoting Razzle
Another ignorant fool who seams to struggle with basic comprehension ?

learning to read might just help.
As expected, personal attacks, but never a basis for the silly statements posted. http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gif

PS. If he doesn't like the candles on the 1h, 4h or daily chart, he sets up an arbirtrary time frame, such as a 13 hour 45 min time frame chart, that only one person in the world uses.http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gif
No wonder no matter what he does, he always loses.http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gif

In the mean time, while he tries every possible time frame from 1 second to 300 hours time frame to see if can have just 1 winning trade, Mr. Smith closes his first journal trade at +159 pips while using only the 5 min and weekly chart as triggers.
  • #573
  • Sep 13, 2010 5:47pm Sep 13, 2010 5:47pm
So much anger guys, it's not good. I would love if everyone calmed down a bit, getting this stressed out about stuff isn't good.

I do not have much experience of jacko, or James, and tbh, not that much of FF (bar being a long time guest), but from what I've seen:

1-There is NO evidence to suggest James is a scammer.
2-There is NO evidence to suggest James isn't a scammer.

Now, where I come from, we're supposed to have this whole "innocent until proven guilty thing".

Remember that correlation =/= causation.

James MIGHT be a scammer, it's possible, just like unicorns might exist, or that Sarah Palin might have a triple digit IQ.

BUT I AM NOT GOING TO CALL HIM OUT, and neither should anybody else IMHO.

It's very simple.

Enjoy the free thread.
If you're happy to put money in, put money in, unless James is harassing you for money, then he doesn't need to prove anything, it's YOUR decision.

BUT

If you do put money in, don't come crying about it, it was your decision, the rest of FF is not responsible for YOUR mistake.
Now if you find someone who is suspicious, sure, maybe make a little note, say people have been scammed before, advise caution.

BUT

Don't start insulting people and making a big fuss, if it's not your money, it's not your problem, make YOUR own judgement, and follow it (ala trading).


And if ever, you feel upset, stressed, or angry, I present to you, the greatest video in the world, which always puts a smile on my face:



smile people, life is good.


Anyway, personally I'm not sure scamming should be illegal, if people are stupid enough to lose their money, and somebody else is smart enough to take it off them, then I see it as redistributing money to the smarter people who will (in theory) spend it more wisely.
  • #574
  • Sep 13, 2010 6:14pm Sep 13, 2010 6:14pm
Quoting TraderHotch
Now, where I come from, we're supposed to have this whole "innocent until proven guilty thing".
How do you people make it through a day? Context, context context knuckleheads. You cannot walk into a brothel and declare everyone a virgin without having some screws loose.
  • #575
  • Sep 13, 2010 7:31pm Sep 13, 2010 7:31pm
Quoting pip_daddy
But the fact he IS selling a service is the whole point....
You completely misinterpreted my post. I dont particularly care if you pick on him, this is part of being a salesman. But he is not a scammer. You get what you pay for, and that is solid information.

In ref to the dailies/weeklies quote below my post. Eventually your 2% wont get a complete fill unless you are trading with a bucket. Which in the end you wont get your money. I guess thats your choice. But the point is, its not the way the market works. Big moves are created on inhouse deals not public liquidity, that or printing money, which only central banks are able to do.

If you are going to make mint, you need to trade more frequently. Otherwise you are just jerking yourself off. I mean this for those who have accounts 5m+.

Saying "if you trade once a month and make a profit 3 months in a row, you are on the road to freedom" is junk. Because 1) If you follow basic fundamentals right, you will make approximately 0.2%/month. 2) If you do manage to have 5 mill and are trading the same way, you will make even less.

Again, not judging James. Its solid information. But how naive the people are is starting to get to me. Theres basically a million reasons why you shouldn't K.I.S.S. Lets start with, for one, you are trading against people who are 50x smarter than you and they do not K.I.S.S. If someone wants your liquidity, they will have it, and you will not be the winner unless you have big money (1 billion should do it).

I just feel that the only problem with james's information is that its pitched with the intention of people 'not needing anything else'. Which infact they do.

I know 4 people successful with James's methods, HOWEVER its completely edited filtered and changed to suit them. They are no longer part of his group. I state to them that its definitely not the teachings of James16 but rather their own intervention that has given them their success. But they are brainwashed into thinking otherwise.

Again, misinterpreting me, I am not defending or attacking. just pointing out that the trading public are naive and believe anything if it means they dont have to do the work themselves.
  • #576
  • Edited 10:50pm Sep 13, 2010 10:37pm | Edited 10:50pm
Quoting pip_daddy
But the fact he IS selling a service is the whole point. Why why why would a successful trader sell a service. They wouldn't. ....
most people think other people are always (only) after money.
very narrow perspective.

why do businesses exist?
are all businesses created by nonprofessionals?
if u are successful, are u not entitled to have more success? are u not entitled to open a business?

are businesses run/formed by people who are not 'into' these businesses?
many hobbies are turned into businesses.
some/most businesses were/are/are being formed/created by people who have a passion.

some businesses were/are/are being formed/created by people who have a cause.

some things to think about.


Quoting traderjai_inhi
Ever think that maybe he charges so that assholes like you stay out here bitching and the people that really want to learn can do so in peace? I bet there is a lot less crying and whining going on in the private forum than there is out here.
Just a thought...
very good thought. i believe u are spot on.a LOT of noise here on the free forum.
yes, he seems bitter he cant get in for FREE.

Quoting pip_daddy
Ok so why not do a free website and only allow assholes like you with vouches or whatever? How does separating you from your money make you less of an obvious asshole than you already are?
the answer is in his profile. Read his "About ...." profile.
  • #577
  • Sep 13, 2010 11:21pm Sep 13, 2010 11:21pm
Quoting pip_daddy
But the fact he IS selling a service is the whole point. Why why why would a successful trader sell a service. They wouldn't. That is the jist of it. Posting live trades has nothing to do with his training and EVERYTHING to do with his credibility.

So feel free to blindly follow some anoymous guy on the internet and pay him $130 a month and I will feel free to not follow him and remain quite skeptical of his success....although his training website seems quite successful!

Instead of all these "why are you picking on him" posts. Why not ask...

If I were in his position I would charge people too. If I had to spend hours on a website answering the same questions over and over again because some people are too lazy to do any work themselves, your damn right I'd charge a fee for my time. I don't know you and either does he. Would you spend hours helping someone you didn't know for free? Ok so your a saint you help everyone. But some people will actually do some work themselves if they have put forth a little equity. Others cry scam.

Yes, Ive been scammed before. But, its my own fault because I blindly followered an ad. Was looking for an easier way, a quicker way. Lesson learned.

How many of you would buy a car with out doing your own research or asking lots of questions? I don't see how this is different. Go for a test drive. Start from page 1 of the free tread and demo for a few months (You have at least read the thread or demoed the method right?) If it doesn't meet your approval find a new ride.

I've been a follower since Mar 2010. Demoed until July then opened a live account. I'm just a little over break even. I haven't taken many trades and I'm still learning money managment. I visit the free forum almost daily. If I have a question, I ask and someone usually politely answers. Id often have different opionions on what the market is doing. I use this forum as a tool to help me hone my trading skills. I have no intention on joining the PF.

All that said, I'm a big boy. I can look out for myself. SO STOP TRYING TO SAVE THE WORLD!
  • #578
  • Sep 14, 2010 12:06am Sep 14, 2010 12:06am
Nice going.

Could we at least get down to the conclusion as to what this thread is looking to achieve?

James is a great teacher and trader, so what if you think (i.e you think) he charges money for his services? I am a member of the PF but I learned 100% of all that I know today regarding the J16 method via the free thread and never felt I wanted to pay a dime for my education.

If you do decide to join (and I assure it will be only your own decision with no external influence of any sort) that's 129 bucks for a 30 day subscription and you can feel your way through the material only if you find the information on the free thread useful enough, and which BTW isn't half of the story or a "sign up today and you get access to the full material" type deal. There is nothing new at the PF except that the whole material is presented in a more organized way with webinars and stuff. If you don't find it worth it you walk out at the end of your 30 days just like you walk out of a new restaurant finding your money was not worth the quality of food. You don't go grabbing the manager by the collar, or leaving without paying the bills. Neither do you write a big "GET LOST SCAMMER" on the walls of this restaurant. You walk away and never return.

Grow up guys.

g.
I believe . . .
  • #579
  • Sep 14, 2010 7:10am Sep 14, 2010 7:10am
pip_daddy is suspended. Why? because of what he's said here???
  • #580
  • Sep 14, 2010 7:23am Sep 14, 2010 7:23am
Quoting kk007
pip_daddy is suspended. Why? because of what he's said here???
maybe partly.
most likely because of violating rule #1.
the commercial forum in general might be trash, but we ALL are still bound by the rules....
we can say all we want without having to resort to trash talking/using vulgar words.

http://www.forexfactory.com/userguide.php
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