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What is to do with Greece?

  • #61
  • May 25, 2010 12:13pm May 25, 2010 12:13pm
Quoting Hermes
The central bankers control the war industry, they don't want the weapon power against them. Not all the wars but many major wars are created by them. I speak from thousands of hours of information research and self knowledge.

Do not trust Greek economy now, and for the next five years and more do not trust stock markets, no bonds of any country, perhaps invest in Swiss franc or carefully bye bars of gold.
I wouldn't say that the central bankers control the war industry.
I would neither say, that the central bankers are responsible for this crisis. In my view the following persons/institutions are responsible for this debt crisis:
- the Greece goverments (not only the actual one, but also the prior goverments)
- the european commission (that didn't made their controls carefully - I'm pretty sure, that the knew that greece don't maches the stability measures, but, for political motives, they have done nothing.)
- the world wide investors (that have borrowed the money at greece - for this error they have to pay - it's not possible that they can invest in every bond without taking some risks)
- the greece people, not all, but some of them (because they have done really much to steal the money of the other taxpayers

but why do you trust in the swiss franc? Do you really think, that the SNB is a better central bank?
Pecunia non olet
  • #62
  • May 26, 2010 4:42am May 26, 2010 4:42am
wm-eu, what you wrote is true except for the central bankers.

Focus on how easy is for any part to create money.

The central bankers of west control many economy-war-political things in west countries, and the most countries of the "third world". because they have the advantage of creating money out of thin air with the only justification: a country asking money in debt.

The main cost they have is that for influencing the local political or economical heads by means of bribes, life threats, economy-political theories, controlled terrorism, controlling the mass media etc, etc.

Don't think in absolute terms what I am writing, try to understand the spirit of it. Try to understand the hierarchies of psychological power that impact humans.

The current practice of politicians and/or central bankers to create debt over the shoulders of future unborn generations is a crime against humanity, whatever is the creating process or the source of that money. There is no need to fatigue our intellect more.

The End

Second, the recommendation to buy swiss franc has nothing to do with the above, is a possible investment advice that has to do with current established ways of investment, and my prognostication of very unstable economic-social situation the next 5 years or more.

There are no absolutes,

Hermes
  • #63
  • May 26, 2010 5:25am May 26, 2010 5:25am
Quoting Hermes
...

The current practice of politicians and/or central bankers to create debt over the shoulders of future unborn generations is a crime against humanity, whatever is the creating process or the source of that money. There is no need to fatigue our intellect more.
....
I fully agree with that, but I would say that the central bankers are not the evil. I think, that there surely are some politicians that are influencing the war-industry and the central bankers.
For that it's essential that the central banks are indipendent and the should get controlled by a third party.

I agree with you when you say, that this politicians are controlling the people trough the mass media - but, unfortunately some people are accepting this control very easily.

Maybe it would be a good idea to get in debt too, so that with the upcoming inflation the debts could disappear :-)
Pecunia non olet
  • #64
  • May 26, 2010 6:25am May 26, 2010 6:25am
I think many of you want more info,

confession of an economic assassin

a movie of Stelios Kouloglou,

confession of John Perkins,

video series:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%CE%B...ed=0CCIQqwQwAA



also the zeitgeist movies are from some years on the internet

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/


a possible solution (in italian) :
http://www.simec.org/-benvenuti-
  • #65
  • May 26, 2010 8:34am May 26, 2010 8:34am
The real cause of our problems as individuals is not out of us, it is inside us, the individual has the last word for his or her life.

"The fault is of the sufferer"
  • #66
  • May 29, 2010 7:32am May 29, 2010 7:32am
now I watched a great part of the Zeitgeist movie - pratically they are saying that the primary problem are the credits for themself (from them then they create more money out of thin air).
But nobody gets forced to get in debt - normally the debtor asks the bank for a credit and not otherwise.

The countries as also the people get in debt for growing and/or getting rich faster. The people for themself are greedy and for that they are playing the "game" with the banks - our whole society is build on the fact, that someone wins and someone other loses. And this fact was not "created" by the banks, this fact was created by everyone.
For that I still think, that in a long-term view, for Greece it would be the best if they are going insolvent.
Pecunia non olet
  • #67
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:20pm Sep 8, 2010 12:20pm
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  • #68
  • Sep 8, 2010 3:44pm Sep 8, 2010 3:44pm
Ahh yes! it is the system's fault and only the system's fault.
Sure i believe the above, i always have, but that is not the only root of the evil, the blame lays with the people too, the people who accepted payment without ever turning up to work in the hospitals, the ones who without illegal payment will not help you while in the hospital, the public servant who refused to serve the public and got the position only because he knows someone in the governmet of the day, the son of the farmer who spents all day in the village cafe' instead of working the land his parents gave him and instead blames the Albanian illegal immigrants for stealing his work, the ones who never pay a dime of tax etc etc...
Yes sure outside powers (and we all know who i mean) always wanted to tame the Greeks and they always found plenty of willing traitors to help them in their "divide and concor" strategies.
There has always been decent patriots of the Greek cause from both sides of the politics and we always crucified them for their deeds.
The blame for the state of this beautiful country lies with everyone, that includes YOU and ME....
Biggest joker
  • #69
  • Sep 8, 2010 7:07pm Sep 8, 2010 7:07pm
Quoting baron193
Ahh yes! it is the system's fault and only the system's fault.
Sure i believe the above, i always have, but that is not the only root of the evil, the blame lays with the people too, the people who accepted payment without ever turning up to work in the hospitals, the ones who without illegal payment will not help you while in the hospital, the public servant who refused to serve the public and got the position only because he knows someone in the governmet of the day, the son of the farmer who spents all day in the village cafe' instead of working...
i don't give a damn about greece and their problems. i don't like people because of all the aforementioned and many ...many other reasons. i also know that they only get a bit of what they deserve (for the time being) and i am glad for that. very glad, indeed. i just posted the above video because what is going on here has not to do with greece. soon it will knock the door of other countries as well. not that i care about it either. i just liked the above video and that's all. you know, i see all that that is coming like a bless. it's time people got what they deserve.
  • #70
  • Sep 9, 2010 12:22am Sep 9, 2010 12:22am
Quoting papaki
i don't give a damn about greece and their problems. i don't like people because of all the aforementioned and many ...many other reasons. i also know that they only get a bit of what they deserve (for the time being) and i am glad for that. very glad, indeed. i just posted the above video because what is going on here has not to do with greece. soon it will knock the door of other countries as well. not that i care about it either. i just liked the above video and that's all. you know, i see all that that is coming like a bless. it's time people...
Well i agree with you, as for the video, the guy speaks the truth but as always anyone speaking against the status quo will be cut down like a tall poppy.
We have lost touch with what's important in life, we have become arrogant and more selfish than ever.
Biggest joker
  • #71
  • Sep 9, 2010 12:47am Sep 9, 2010 12:47am
Well they could rebuild the spartan army and become hired mercenary to the highest bidder. Or stop asking for hand outs and start rebuilding a new economy.
  • #72
  • Sep 9, 2010 1:41am Sep 9, 2010 1:41am
Quoting tommbstone
Well they could rebuild the spartan army and become hired mercenary to the highest bidder. Or stop asking for hand outs and start rebuilding a new economy.
I'm being harsh and realistic, the same could apply to most economies, including the one where you live.
Greece did have more medium/heavy industry, untill the EU decided it better be just the little tourist destination.
What's given by one hand is taken ten fold by another, invincible one.
Biggest joker
  • #73
  • Sep 9, 2010 10:30am Sep 9, 2010 10:30am
Quoting baron193
I'm being harsh and realistic, the same could apply to most economies, including the one where you live.
Greece did have more medium/heavy industry, untill the EU decided it better be just the little tourist destination.
What's given by one hand is taken ten fold by another, invincible one.
Greece did have this medium/heavy industry, but, as we see know, that industry isn't competitive - maybe coz it was subventioned by the weak Drachme...of course this could happen to every countrie, but many countries has done somewhat for avoiding a situation like we see it now in Greece - Italy, for example, is able to "live" with a huge public debt, but it stands much better than Greece...

However, I wasn't really able to fellow this video, coz this damn background sound makes it nearly impossible to understand the words in the middle of the video - could someone write the most importants things that he says
thx
Pecunia non olet
  • #74
  • Sep 9, 2010 11:04am Sep 9, 2010 11:04am
you can watch it here without the background music. nothing of much interest. the truth lies much much further.

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  • #75
  • Last Post: Edited 2:49pm Sep 9, 2010 2:46pm | Edited 2:49pm
The idea of what he's talking about is correct, the choice of pushing the oppression blame to the most convenient side is incorrect IMHO
To be expected i suppose.....
The idea of a united Europe is a great one, but not like this.
Biggest joker
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